TobiasTheViking
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wtf is 43?
brodski
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I believe that "43" may be reference to Bob_Karks custom title, he is "globalist henchman No. 43". In other words Zoilus is asking whether we believe in a 9/11 conspiracy or not.
I voted "not" quite emphatically. Yes there are "gaps" in the report (and in our knowledge). But in real life, there are always gaps in or knowledge, and facts that we will never know. But the unknown quantities in the 9/11 story are nowhere near significant enough to in any way discredit the version of events put forward by the 9/11 commission. If there is any plausible alternative to the version of events details by the 9/11 commission, I have not heard it.
for those of us not in the US, could you post a link to the kean report (never heard of it) and some information on 4-3 (some guy i've never heard of).....then i might be able to answer
Sorry. New to the forum and didn't realize it was such a diverse group.
43 is the title conservatives in the US typically use to talk about George Walker Bush (viz., the 43rd President of the United States, or POTUS).
41 is his father, George Herbert Walker Bush.
The so-called Kean report is actually titled the Complete 9/11 Commission Report by The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation. It's chaired by Thomas H. Kean; thus, the nickname.
Finally, I'm not asking you whether you believe in the official conspiracy theory (19 guys/4 planes=automatic conspiracy, as defined by most dictionaries) or an alternate conspiracy theory. I'm simply trying to gauge the winds here.
[I'm not allowed to post links here yet? but you can simply google the title above and you should be able to find it.]
1) You forgot the Planet X Option - but you're new, so we'll forgive you this time.*
2) "Just" as the Kean report concluded? As Brodski said - we'll never have perfect knowledge of what happened, but I haven't seen anything plausible that comes closer.
3) In the U.S., "41" is a shorthand way of referring to president number 41, George Herbert Walker Bush. George W. Bush = "43". So the option that "43 and his friends" did it is simply a cute way of saying "It was ChimpBusHitlerCheneyHalliburton!!!"
* "Planet X" option means for every poll, you must include a selection that involves a ridiculous choice involving the mysterious "Planet X." For example, here, you might have included a choice that "aliens from Planet X kidnapped governor Kean and replaced him with an android programmed to cover up for the real brains behind the attack - Michael Jackson."
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2) "Just" as the Kean report concluded? As Brodski said - we'll never have perfect knowledge of what happened, but I haven't seen anything plausible that comes closer.
3) In the U.S., "41" is a shorthand way of referring to president number 41, George Herbert Walker Bush. George W. Bush = "43". So the option that "43 and his friends" did it is simply a cute way of saying "It was ChimpBusHitlerCheneyHalliburton!!!"
* "Planet X" option means for every poll, you must include a selection that involves a ridiculous choice involving the mysterious "Planet X." For example, here, you might have included a choice that "aliens from Planet X kidnapped governor Kean and replaced him with an android programmed to cover up for the real brains behind the attack - Michael Jackson."
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andyandy
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ok cheers.....
my opinions are that whilst you can never rule anything out 100% it would seem to be very, very unlikely that there was a conspiracy. I've not seen any evidence that's made me question the official account of the events.....certainly nothing to suggest to involvement of a party other than al qaeda
just looking at it from a motive perspective - who had a greater motivation for the attatck than al qaeda? Ideas of government conspiracies in order to create a pretext for "the war on terror" or jewish conspiracies to provoke an islamic backlash are just pie in the sky - the consequence of the conspiracy being discovered in either case would be immense - so much so that it makes these parties' involvement incredibly unlikely.....
my opinions are that whilst you can never rule anything out 100% it would seem to be very, very unlikely that there was a conspiracy. I've not seen any evidence that's made me question the official account of the events.....certainly nothing to suggest to involvement of a party other than al qaeda
just looking at it from a motive perspective - who had a greater motivation for the attatck than al qaeda? Ideas of government conspiracies in order to create a pretext for "the war on terror" or jewish conspiracies to provoke an islamic backlash are just pie in the sky - the consequence of the conspiracy being discovered in either case would be immense - so much so that it makes these parties' involvement incredibly unlikely.....
andyandy
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Sorry, again. Um, planet X option.
Alex Jones is a computer robot built by Raytheon, coded by Condi Rice, and officially listed in the Host Spyring of Secrets (Uber-Dull&Clones at Harvard) as the debunkingest dis-double-bluffing-COINTELINSIDEPRO debunker that ever shot a hunting buddy in the face. 9/11 has Jones's fingerprints all over it (along with his friend, Brian, and his wife Brian).
[if you choose option X, please mark other and write in your ballot]
But couldn't/shouldn't we press for a more exhaustive and independent investigation based on what anomalies do exist? We spent millions more on Monica Lewinski's blue dress than we did on 9/11. Is that really okay with you?
Exactly. The aluminium hat brigade should mark here.
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chipmunk stew
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I voted "other", because while I believe the Kean report got the fundamentals right, I'm certain there are details they got wrong. So I'm skeptical of the Kean report, but it's conclusions closely match my own.
Upchurch
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Oh, my dear sweet Ed!
This means that Bill Clinton is the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything!
I need to sit down for a while.
bob_kark
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What do you believe needs to be investigated in further detail?
milesalpha
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Y'know, I enjoy arguing with historical revisionists on the Holocaust and they often say "Why not another investigation to clear up these inconsistencies?" The trouble is, the people who worry about these inconsistencies would just find a few more and take up the same cry again. Perfection in this kind of report is just never going to happen, but are there enough real questions to require another investigation? I'd have to answer the 9/11 CTs the same way I answer the historical revisionists...no. I certainly heven't read all of the 9/11 information out there, but I have yet to say anything that effectively contradicts the basic story...nutjobs run an jet into the WTC.
I will note one thing, the people who are so vocal in their opposition to any government reports are very similar to the historical revisionists in one very important respect. There are damn few (if any) real historians in historical revisonism, and there are damn few real scientists (who have applicable knowledge) in the 9/11 CT movment.
I will note one thing, the people who are so vocal in their opposition to any government reports are very similar to the historical revisionists in one very important respect. There are damn few (if any) real historians in historical revisonism, and there are damn few real scientists (who have applicable knowledge) in the 9/11 CT movment.
I voted with the 9/11 Commission report. Though I doubt that every particular of their factual findings were correct or complete, I think that they told the narrative in a reasonably accurate manner.
Putting aside for a moment the fallacy that money spent would be a good measure of the thoroughness of the investigation, I'll need a source for the math involved here.
Also, what exactly was missed by the 9/11 investigation? What should have been studied that was ignored exactly?
Putting aside for a moment the fallacy that money spent would be a good measure of the thoroughness of the investigation, I'll need a source for the math involved here.
Also, what exactly was missed by the 9/11 investigation? What should have been studied that was ignored exactly?
davefoc
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Hello Zoilus and welcome to the forum.
I was interested in your poll. I thought that essentially all of the regular JREF forum posters would believe that the 9-11 attack happened about how the official report claimed.
I expected that a few people would quibble with your language because option 1 might be interpretted to mean that the attack happened in every way exactly like the report said. That seems unlikely and a few people might have rejected option 1 because of that.
I thought a few people might go for the Bush let it happen option (option 2). Al Franken and others have made the case that Bushco actions reduced the ability of the US to prevent terrorist attacks and that in the sense that Bushco misplaced priorities it could be said that Buscho let it happen. I personally think there is something to this idea but not enough to have voted for option 2. I notice that wildcat voted for option 2. I wasn't quite sure what that was about. Wildcat is at least an honorary member of the JREF Bushco defense team so I am not sure what he meant by his vote.
As to your "It was ChimpBusHitlerCheneyHalliburton!!!" option: I thought this might get exactly zero votes. But I notice that evolver voted for it. Perhaps he might give us some insight into the thought process that led to that vote. Maybe he just uses a random number generator to make his selection on a poll and this time option 4 just happened to come up. My personal favorite version of the "It was ChimpBusHitlerCheneyHalliburton!!!" theory is that explosives were planted in the world trade towers because the people planning the attacks realized that just crashing 747's into the buildings wouldn't actually destroy them and that was necessary for Bushco to justify their global war for oil so they secretly hid explosives in the buildings and detonated them when the airplanes crashed into the buildings to make sure the buildings were really destroyed.
I was interested in your poll. I thought that essentially all of the regular JREF forum posters would believe that the 9-11 attack happened about how the official report claimed.
I expected that a few people would quibble with your language because option 1 might be interpretted to mean that the attack happened in every way exactly like the report said. That seems unlikely and a few people might have rejected option 1 because of that.
I thought a few people might go for the Bush let it happen option (option 2). Al Franken and others have made the case that Bushco actions reduced the ability of the US to prevent terrorist attacks and that in the sense that Bushco misplaced priorities it could be said that Buscho let it happen. I personally think there is something to this idea but not enough to have voted for option 2. I notice that wildcat voted for option 2. I wasn't quite sure what that was about. Wildcat is at least an honorary member of the JREF Bushco defense team so I am not sure what he meant by his vote.
As to your "It was ChimpBusHitlerCheneyHalliburton!!!" option: I thought this might get exactly zero votes. But I notice that evolver voted for it. Perhaps he might give us some insight into the thought process that led to that vote. Maybe he just uses a random number generator to make his selection on a poll and this time option 4 just happened to come up. My personal favorite version of the "It was ChimpBusHitlerCheneyHalliburton!!!" theory is that explosives were planted in the world trade towers because the people planning the attacks realized that just crashing 747's into the buildings wouldn't actually destroy them and that was necessary for Bushco to justify their global war for oil so they secretly hid explosives in the buildings and detonated them when the airplanes crashed into the buildings to make sure the buildings were really destroyed.
Belz...
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dishonest poll. I'm not even mentionned. Nor is master...
Number 1 out.
Number 1 out.
Belz...
Fiend God
Depends what you see as anomalies. Should we re-open the JFK investigation ? The Lincoln murder ? Who's the first guy who stabbed Julius Caesar ?
WildCat
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I must admit, I thought 43 was bob_kark... didn't yet realize that Zoilus was the latest visitor from the Looser Collective.
And how did you know who I voted for?
And how did you know who I voted for?
By clicking on the numeric link on the respective poll option.
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