Who Disrespects NYPD & NYFD

Ah. So rather than refute my points, you make a flippant comment to justify your failure to appreciate or apply proper research parameters, and for your failure to be able to respond meaningfully to the issues of context and perspective.

I noticed that you quoted your grandfather on some thread here a while ago. Your current behaviour reminds me of something my grandfather used to say:

"It's a poor workman who blames his tools."

LashL,

I do get flippant sometimes. It's just me.

This whole facade here is baffeling.

Here is the real fact of the whole situation and it will be so forever.

NOBODY was able to "apply proper research parameters" to any of those buildings. Period, And they never will be able to do so.

1) The scene was not preserved.
2) The physical evidence that was left was not considered in light of all possibilities.
3) The material was not tested for explosives when fresh.

All we have is reems of paper and theory that have been, or are significantly delayed, delivered to you by an administration that was resistant to an investigation in the first place. That is all we will ever have.

Quoting papers as you do generated under these circumstances does not even come close to scientific methodology.

Eyewitness accounts are muddled by time, motive and emotion.

So just drop the pretense and the psuedo-science.

You are asking us Cters for something you yourself don't have and never will. Wake up.

You are believers in a non conspiracy cherry picking just as much as a CTer. But you have the title of skeptic. That is it - two beliefs with different titles and diametrically opposed conclusions.

Now all anybody has is circumstantial evidence.

Quit fooling yourselves. Quit insulting others in the process.

Stop and wonder what if you are wrong - what then?

Russell
 
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Have you read the interim report on 7?

Its just full of "if", "could", "postulate". No conclusion. And a final paragraph on how all the ifs are unlikely

Wow! An interim report does not present any solid conclusions?!?!?! :eye-poppi

Perhaps they are analyzing the evidence to try to work out what really happened?
 
Well, then. Do you appreciate the fact that calculating probabilities for event which have already occurred is meaningless?

What are the odds the Titanic would have hit that iceberg at that moment?

Well according to your friend zero, since all the experts said it was unsinkable.
 
Have you asked all these 500,000 SEs? Could I see your correspondence with them?

No, but its pretty much established that the vast majority of the profession doesnt buy the CD hypothesis. Obviously, there are probably more than 2 who disagree, and these guys tend to be loopy in the "other beliefs" department. Do a search for "David E. Zuniga" in the forum here...
 
Wow! An interim report does not present any solid conclusions?!?!?! :eye-poppi

Perhaps they are analyzing the evidence to try to work out what really happened?

Exactly. So why am I being directed to that report. Its meaningless. Even as a non engineer I can see that that what they postulate is so unlikely.
 
No, but its pretty much established that the vast majority of the profession doesnt buy the CD hypothesis. Obviously, there are probably more than 2 who disagree, and these guys tend to be loopy in the "other beliefs" department. Do a search for "David E. Zuniga" in the forum here...

Nobody has surveyed these engineers. Half of them may suspect it was CD but not put forward an opinion.
 
Exactly. So why am I being directed to that report. Its meaningless. Even as a non engineer I can see that that what they postulate is so unlikely.

Are you talking about Gravy??

His report is not the NIST interim report.
 
I'm going to put my cards on the table here. Go ahead, shoot me down.

Building 7 was demolished. Buildings don't fall like that. Period.
 
Nobody has surveyed these engineers. Half of them may suspect it was CD but not put forward an opinion.

When I was posting on the IMDB United93 board(thats how I got sucked into the vortex), a poster there(blogger CB_Brooklyn) emailed every single structural engineering professor in the US. He got a grand total of 3 replies, none positive.
 
When I was posting on the IMDB United93 board(thats how I got sucked into the vortex), a poster there(blogger CB_Brooklyn) emailed every single structural engineering professor in the US. He got a grand total of 3 replies, none positive.

So the others may have agreed it was CD but didn;t want to comment.

I know CB Brooklyn. He blogs on 911blogger
 
Best hypothesis regarding the diesel fuel scenario. As you know, the NIST is conducting a much more extensive investigation. What specific issues do you have with their interim report?


What? I think you got confused. I was saying that to Jessica.
 
Gravy just asked me if I read the interim report from NIST aswell as his own.

The NIST reports are an example of how good science is done.

You do not make conclusions until you are as certain as you can be.

So how solid are you in your beliefs? Are you willing to be convinced or have you made up your mind?
 
The NIST reports are an example of how good science is done.

You do not make conclusions until you are as certain as you can be.

So how solid are you in your beliefs? Are you willing to be convinced or have you made up your mind?

On buildng 7 i'm 99% certain. I have read the interim report which is entirely conjecture. I have watched 17 videos of the collapse. I have read lots of testimony that talks about explosions.
 
The NIST reports are an example of how good science is done.

You do not make conclusions until you are as certain as you can be.

So how solid are you in your beliefs? Are you willing to be convinced or have you made up your mind?

On the towers NIST started with a conclusion and worked backward. They do not practise good science.
 
So the others may have agreed it was CD but didn;t want to comment.

I know CB Brooklyn. He blogs on 911blogger

Perhaps. But what if they find it as silly as most posters here, but dont want to comment? And when will these people start coming forward? When Bush/Cheney are out of office? In 10 years? In 20 years?
 

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