LCFC - Coming soon to a cinema near you...

Russell Pickering said:
Purely a very foolish insinuation.

Even if it is only to hide incompetence it is the USG/official story that has decieved with intent. You support that.

LC and myself have made honest errors along the way.

HUGE difference!!!!
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The more I have researched all aspects of 9/11 and particularly talking to conspiracy minded 9/11 truth people, I am still certain of a lack of any verifiable facts on the CT side. I will warn all about the fraud of LC and other people in the truth movement.

They have over 100 errors in there film. Your web site has errors you do not even know about.

LCFC is still a fictional account, now they are adding more of guys like you to add to their fiction, you are being used.
 
beachnut said:
The more I have researched all aspects of 9/11 and particularly talking to conspiracy minded 9/11 truth people, I am still certain of a lack of any verifiable facts on the CT side. I will warn all about the fraud of LC and other people in the truth movement.

They have over 100 errors in there film. Your web site has errors you do not even know about.

LCFC is still a fictional account, now they are adding more of guys like you to add to their fiction, you are being used.
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Warn as you choose.

But remember when the "priests" warned people about the Last Temptation, the ticket sales went through the roof!
 
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Russell Pickering said:
Warn as you choose.

But remember when the "priests" warned people about the Last Temptation the ticket sales went through the roof!
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Ditto the awful Da Vinci Code. How many people would have bought that book and gone to the film if the RC church hadn't gotten all huffy about it? And that's one where both sides are fantasy!
 
The Atheist said:
Ditto the awful Da Vinci Code. How many people would have bought that book and gone to the film if the RC church hadn't gotten all huffy about it? And that's one where both sides are fantasy!
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I think we see cults through the same eyes.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Gravy,

Truthfully I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt being aware of the various positions about you.

I have watched you manipulate and use tactics to the same degree you accuse others of.
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Russell, you said that about 90% of what I say is unsubstantiated, without providing evidence to substantiate that claim. I've repeatedly asked you to do so. Why won't you back your claim or retract it?

I have seen you quote one section of an interview and neglect another. I have seen you cast doubt on Mr. Rodriguez and by your own account try to tell him what it was he actually experienced. One one hand you act indignant if a responder is questioned but the ones you disagree with you find an excuse to question yourself.
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I took the time to read, take notes on, and categorize over 14,000 pages of first responder and victim testimony so that I could keep their statements in context, something you have shown no understanding of or capacity for.

Yes they are "my people" and I am proud of it.
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Proud to be a friend of Killtown, who harasses Val McClatchey, a 9/11 victim, for no reason at all, and who thinks Photoshopped feces on the graves of 9/11 victims is "funny!"

Proud to be associated with Dylan Avery:
Avery: Ha Ha Ha Ha! Have you seen how small those things [box cutters] are? Like, if I was on a flight, with, you know, at least 50 other people – because that's the smallest number I think was on 9/11* – if I was in the cabin, with 50 other people, and five people – I don't care if they're Muslim or not – stand up with box cutters and say they're gonna hijack the plane, I'm gonna laugh in their face!

Blood: And these pilots, I mean, we interviewed Debra Burlingame, whose brother Chick was the one sup-posedly flying that plane that hit the Pentagon–

Avery: Oh, that's right! I heard about that!

Blood: –And of course she is a TOTAL shill for the Republican Party, she also spoke at the [Republican Na-tional] Convention. And is it ABSURD that she went on and on about how her brother was ex-military, how she knows that her brother and the other pilots fought for their lives, against these deadly terrorists–

Avery: Yeaaah, yeah. Whatever.

Blood: (mocking an Arabic accent): It is my releegion to keel you with thees box cutter!

Avery: Ha ha!

Blood: Didn't Rumsfeld say, right after this happened, that they had actually done this with plastic knives and not box cutters?

Avery: Yeah, he said that in the same interview where he said that a missile hit the Pentagon.

Blood: OH MY GOD! HE'S GOT A PLASTIC KNIFE!

Avery: HAHAHA!

Blood: RUN!

Avery: HE'S GOT A BUTTER KNIFE FROM BREAKFAST! OH, NO!

Blood: Take the plane, sir. We don't want any trouble.

Avery: HE'S GOING TO SCRATCH ME A LITTLE BIT! HUH HUH!

Blood: UN-BELIEVABLE! Well, that's exactly what we're saying. That's an overused term, or underused term, "unbelievable."

Avery: (Still laughing): It's ABSOLUTELY unbelievable!

Blood: (doing accent again): It's un-bee-leevable!

Avery: What's even MORE unbelievable is how people will DEFEND this!
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Avery: They (the victims) didn't die on these planes as we are told. There is actually some evidence that some of these people were already dead before 9/11.
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Avery: So...Paul Greengrass' atrocity of a film [United 93] opens the Tribeca Film Festival tonight at 7:30 PM.

WHERE: Ziegfeld Theatre 141 West 54th Street New York City, NY
WHEN: Tuesday, April 25, 2006
6:30 PM Filmmaker and Family Arrivals
7:30 PM Screening Begins

We'll be there. How 'bout you guys?

EDIT: Let me clarify...we're not actually going to watch it. We're going to make our presence and our objections to this big-budget whitewash known, which are echoed by anyone who didn't lose a family member on Flight 93.
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Avery: I mean, you have Edna Cintron, which is actually the woman who is looking out the gash in the World Trade Center. I mean, this woman is standing there, I mean, she's just looking out the hole, and I mean, there's supposedly 2,000 degree inferno right behind her, and, I mean, she's able to stand here and look out this hole and wave for help. I mean, her clothes aren't on fire, I mean, her clothes aren't even singed from what we can see.
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Host: You're saying a plane didn't hit the Pentagon. But there are 59 families who are missing loved ones. What do you suggest happened to the people who were on this plane?

Avery: I mean, hey, man, I can't sit here and lie about the family members and say that either the passengers were in on it, or that the family members are government agents. I mean, I'm not saying that. I mean, these people who lost their loved ones, I mean, their loved ones are obviously dead, they're obviously gone, I mean, I'm not saying that they're on a payroll somewhere, I mean, I'm just trying to ask questions, I'm not trying to accuse anybody of covering something up, well, I mean, I'm obviously accusing the government of covering something up, but, I mean, I'm not trying to implicate the passengers, because, I mean, they're just as innocent as anyone else, man."
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Avery: Well, probably not in the case of flight 93 – if flight 93 existed, that is…
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Avery on flight 77: There were a number of employees of Raytheon, which is the developer of the Global Hawk, there was actually three members of Boeing on that plane, um, EMS Solutions, which I think is a company that develops ballistic and cruise missiles. There's a lot of different theories about this, but it seems like either these people were a part of 9/11, and they told them, like, 'Yeah, get on this plane, we're gonna take you to a conference, and that was the end of that. Or, they were already in the wing of the Pentagon, because, you know, the Navy is the one that got hit, and they were either already in that wing and they just made them passengers, but, I mean, there's really no way to absolutely tell.
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Avery: The other thing which I didn't get to mention in the movie, which I'm going to, is a little kid by the name of Bernard Brown Jr., a eight or nine-year-old boy [he was 11] who on the morning of 9/11 was going on a National Geographic field trip with his class, and on that morning his father, Bernard Brown Sr., who works in the Navy wing of the Pentagon, sat his son down and had a talk with him about death, because his son was scared about flying on the plane, or whatever.

And Bernard Sr. was like 'Hey, don't be afraid to die, because everybody's gonna some day," and his son got on flight 77 and we know what happened to that. Oh, actually, we DON'T know what happened to flight 77, but we do know what happened to Bernard. And Bernard Brown Sr., according to his wife, took an UNUSUAL day off from work to go play golf. Like, this is a man who never took a single day off of work, and after telling his son not to be afraid to die, he takes a day off work to go play GOLF, and had he not been on the golf course, he would have been killed.

Host: Has anybody tried to question him?

Avery: "Um, me and Phil (Jayhan, “LC’s” original producer) were actually considering tracking him down and getting him on the phone, to talk to him about 9/11 and see if anything slips. But I think he was either deeply involved in it, and talking to him on the phone might not be such a hot idea, or talking to him about sending his son to die might be a bad idea. Since that article was published...by MSNBC, I believe nobody's actually tried to contact him, and we actually haven't heard from him since.
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Bermas: The other big question we get all the time is, "Well, where did the people go?" And our answer to that is, the fact is, we really don't know. And we really need a serious investigation to find out. But...the people are really secondary."
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Bermas, on flights 77 and 93:
"Well, honestly, the thing is with the bodies and the people is, WE didn't say those people are on the planes, so we shouldn't be the ones to have to prove it. The government is the people saying these bodies and these people are on these planes, come and show us the pictures. Show us the body parts. Show us some identification that these people you know, were actually there. I'm not saying that a lot of these people weren't alive or weren't real, but it just comes to the fact that there are no bodies there. So explain to us why not, because there's seriously a problem."
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On Todd Beamer’s “Let’s roll” phone call from flight 93:
(Avery, Rowe or Bermas): It's a total joke.
(Avery, Rowe or Bermas): It's fiction.
Host: It's an American slogan to get us motivated to do something about terrorism.
Avery: It was a war cry.
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Dylan Avery is proud to be videotaped trying to convince a 9/11 widow that the U.S. government murdered her husband:

Avery: I would love to give you a copy of my documentary "Loose Change." ...The reason I'm doing this is because I believe your husband deserves the truth. I believe your husband – I want to be honest with you – our government killed your husband. Without a doubt."

Widow: He was murdered... [She has already made it clear that she believes the Islamic terrorists were responsible.]

Avery: It was cold, calculated murder. But it was not some guy in a cave thousands of miles away. I know it's very hard to accept, but I've been researching this for three years, and I have seen so much, so much proof, it's just like, it's overwhelming. I mean, it comes to a point where you just see all this in front of you and you say, 'No way. There's no way what our government is telling us is true.'

Avery: Do you know who ran security at the World Trade Center? Marvin Bush.

Widow: Oh, no, I didn't know that.

Avery: Go figure, right? (Laughs) It always comes back to a Bush! (Laughs)
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Avery: Ground Zero this year is gonna be nuts. It's gonna be so insane. I mean, I can't wait. I mean, we're gonna have thousands of people there.

Avery: If the media wants to cover Ground Zero, they're going to have to cover us.

Rowe: If we get so many people down there, the news media, if they want a wide shot they HAVE to cover us.

Avery: The biggest thing that we're really trying to get going, is for people who know about this to show up at Ground Zero on 9/11 this year. It's a Monday. We're going to be there early. And every major media outlet in the world is going to be there. And this is our chance to break through. Instead of being viewed as conspiracy nuts, or wackos, and people need a real cause.

Bermas: There's gonna be every major media outlet in the world at Ground Zero, and if they want a wide shot, they're gonna have to cover us, and a hundred signs that say "9/11 Was an Inside Job," and everything else. And if nothing else is done a year later, and there's no kind of progress in a real investigation, some kind of real prosecution so we can get these upper echelons of people, then in 2007 we're going down to the White House, and we're not leaving until something is done.

Avery: I'm organizing the biggest protest ever for this year at Ground Zero on Monday. We've got a few hundred people already, and we're trying to get it to a few thousand. This is gonna be the mainstream media event of the year! The major media everywhere is gonna be there, and if they wanna cover the memorial, they're gonna have to cover us, because there's so many of us in numbers.

Rowe: Just another point: We're going to be at Ground Zero this year, wearing "Investigate 9/11" shirts, and every major media outlet in the world is going to be there. ...The news media won't be able to ignore us. They will have to cover us if they want to cover the memorial.
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You keep swell company, Russell.
 
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Does Avery believe that Bernard Brown Junior is alive and well, or that Bernard Brown Senior was part of a plot to murder his own son? Which of those does he actually believe? This has confused me for ages.
 
Gravy said:
Important to keep in mind: we're not the ones accusing people of mass murder without a shred of evidence, while excusing the real murderers. My $0.02.
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No thats why you have a base in cuba full of people being detained without trial
 
Usual Suspect said:
Notice how this post went totally ignored. Come on people in NY. You know where these meetings are held. Show up at one and tell these people how you feel. You got the balls to call them liars to their face. I'd love to see Gravy stand toe to toe with Craig Bartmer, or David Miller, or Kevin McPadden, or Mike McCormick and tell them they're liars. Think he has the balls to do that?? I don't. Maybe he could even bring them copies of his Groovy, Gravy, Grave, Copy and Paste Paper.
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Now thats a show. Gravy vs, Bartmer celebrity boxing
 
Russell Pickering said:
Funny to watch people who don't know Dylan personally and who haven't worked on the film themselves to ramble on about it.

The great thing about the film is that it will make it even "safer" for people to discuss 9/11. That should facilitate more people coming forward with details.

The other thing that you have to realize is that a film or any other media does not find its niche unless there is already an audience prepared in advance.

Look at how the first version hit on a low budget.

Look how the second and corrected version created a phenomenon.

The third version is significantly improved.

83% of Americans have questions now. Those numbers have steadily grown.

The Southpark episode actually heavily increased 9/11 traffic. When the security video release hit, my site and others quadrupled in traffic.

When the Doubletree video comes out in the next few days I presume it will happen again.

The 9/11 Commission chair and vice chair coming out with a slow leak confession has also opened eyes.

The delay in the WTC 7 report is spreading as well.

My site personally had the highest number of hits ever in September. I am always surprised at how many hits I get every month listed as US Military and US Gov. When detained by Pentagon Police and investigative Special Agents, one of them commented to me that my website was "interesting".

9/11 is not going away!
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Russell the funniest thing is that every person here will watch it then participate in a self indulgent orgy of hate.
 
Gravy said:
Russell, you said that about 90% of what I say is unsubstantiated, without providing evidence to substantiate that claim. I've repeatedly asked you to do so. Why won't you back your claim or retract it?

I took the time to read, take notes on, and categorize over 14,000 pages of first responder and victim testimony so that I could keep their statements in context, something you have shown no understanding of or capacity for.

Proud to be a friend of Killtown, who harasses Val McClatchey, a 9/11 victim, for no reason at all, and who thinks Photoshopped feces on the graves of 9/11 victims is "funny!"

Proud to be associated with Dylan Avery:
Dylan Avery is proud to be videotaped trying to convince a 9/11 widow that the U.S. government murdered her husband:

You keep swell company, Russell.
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Gravy,

You let me choose my friends and I'll decide the difference between mistakes of youth and what I find forgivable OK?

But if somebody supports the cover up of anything regarding 9/11 - even if it is because of "incompetence", while 3.45 US soldiers die every day last month and innocent citizens of the Middle East are murdered with 9/11 and the "war on terror" as a justification, you are not my people.

Russell
 
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Russell Pickering said:
Did they lie about the premise(s) for invading Iraq?

Did they have a desire to invade Iraq pre-9/11?

Did they know US soldiers would die in advance of a flasely justified invasion?

Did the soldiers die?

You do the math.

Refresher Course: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2052384&postcount=78
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Even a dummy like me knows that there's no math to be done in your statements. You clearly haven't absorbed any of the lessons on logic in "A Field Guide to Critical Thinking," which I gave you the link to.

Please present your evidence that anyone in the US government was involved with planning, executing, or letting 9/11 happen.

Name a person and present your evidence that shows their involvement. Imagine that we're the District Attorney. Bring your best evidence. We await your answer.
 
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jessicarabbit said:
Russell the funniest thing is that every person here will watch it then participate in a self indulgent orgy of hate.
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That's not true. I only watched it for 3 minutes before I went into an orgy of hate!

By the way, why are you all still posting? It's Halloween, time to carve pumpkins and scare small children!
 
Its amazing they say dylan accuses people without evidence. They accuse dylan of making profits yet they provide no evidence. I have challenged them to produce a profit and loss analysis but they refuse. Bizarre.
 
Gravy said:
Even a dummy like me knows that there's no math to be done in your statements. You clearly haven't absorbed any of the lessons on logic in "A Field Guide to Critical Thinking," which I gave you the link to.

Please present your evidence that anyone in the US government was involved with planning, executing, or letting 9/11 happen.

Name a person and present your evidence that shows their involvement. Imagine that we're the District Attorney. Bring your best evidence. We await your answer.
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Gravy why are you using rule 14 of the disinfo handbook?

The crime does not have to be fully solved to question the integrity of current evidence.

When an innocent man is released on new evidence, that evidence does not have to include a new suspect.
 
Gravy said:
Even a dummy like me knows that there's no math to be done in your statements. You clearly haven't absorbed any of the lessons on logic in "A Field Guide to Critical Thinking," which I gave you the link to.

Please present your evidence that anyone in the US government was involved with planning, executing, or letting 9/11 happen.

Name a person and present your evidence that shows their involvement. Imagine that we're the District Attorney. Bring your best evidence. We await your answer.
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Gravy,

Imagine that I am the District Attorney and prove to me explosives were not used.

I have:

1) 40 some firefighter witnesses.

2) Video of squibs similar to CD.

3) 3 steel frame buildings that collapsed straight down all on the same day in the same place for the first time in history. At least one not hit by a plane.

4) Civilian eyewitnesses who reported explosions.

5) A non explanation of WTC 7 from FEMA.

P.S. Don't bring your NIST reports because they are not admissible as evidence in a court. They also failed to test for explosives even if they were.

Russell
 
The strongest part of LC will be the interviews. Imagine all the film goers watching broken men describe ho they were bombed to kingdom come in the towers, then became ill, then were dismissed by the government.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Gravy,

You let me choose my friends and I'll decide the difference between mistakes of youth and what I find forgivable OK?

But if somebody supports the cover up of anything regarding 9/11 - even if it is because of "incompetence", while 3.45 US soldiers die every day last month and innocent citizens of the Middle East are murdered with 9/11 and the "war on terror" as a justification, you are not my people.

Russell
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Since neither you nor anyone else has demonstrated the slightest USG MIHOP or LIHOP connection, or that any of us debunkers has supported people involved in the attacks of 9/11, your words are completely hollow.

Russell, Islamist terrorists attacked the US on 9/11. I know it's impossible for you to accept, but it happened, right here in the real world. I oppose them and I oppose the people who claim that didn't happen, but who can't be bothered to prove their claims.

Yours is a religious faith. It is not based in reality.
 
Brainster said:
They lied a few times in 9-11 Press for Truth. For instance near the very beginning one of the women says, ""That's almost two hours, that planes were flying around the skies of the United States with no military response."

But of course the most advance warning that NEADS had for any of the hijackings was 7 minutes, and that was for Flight 11.
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They lied? Or maybe they mispoke? Or misunderstood?




Considering that 9-11 Press for Truth is all about another 9-11 Commission (preferably chaired by Alex Jones), I'm not too keen on them getting what they seek
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Alex Jones? I did not know this. Maybe you're right.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Gravy,

Imagine that I am the District Attorney and prove to me explosives were not used.

I have:

1) 40 some firefighter witnesses.

2) Video of squibs similar to CD.

3) 3 steel frame buildings that collapsed straight down all on the same day in the same place for the first time in history. At least one not hit by a plane.

4) Civilian eyewitnesses who reported explosions.

5) A non explanation of WTC 7 from FEMA.

P.S. Don't bring your NIST reports because they are not admissible as evidence in a court. They also failed to test for explosives even if they were.

Russell
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When will you be presenting your evidence of explosives? I don't have all day.
 
Russell Pickering said:
"How many chances should they be given to do basic fact-checking, Russell? "

Gravy,

How many shots does the 9/11 Commission, FEMA and Nist need at WTC 7?

Russell
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I dont know why you are calling it shots, when investigation of the wtc 7 collapse is ongoing.

Sounds like they are still at shot number 1.


Why couldn't the lc guys do all the fact checking in one shot?
 
Gravy said:
Since neither you nor anyone else has demonstrated the slightest USG MIHOP or LIHOP connection, or that any of us debunkers has supported people involved in the attacks of 9/11, your words are completely hollow.

Russell, Islamist terrorists attacked the US on 9/11. I know it's impossible for you to accept, but it happened, right here in the real world. I oppose them and I oppose the people who claim that didn't happen, but who can't be bothered to prove their claims.

Yours is a religious faith. It is not based in reality.
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Which report were you clutching to your breast when you said that?

The comic book version of the 9/11 Commission report?

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Russell Pickering said:
"How many chances should they be given to do basic fact-checking, Russell? "

Gravy,

How many shots does the 9/11 Commission, FEMA and Nist need at WTC 7?

Russell
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To qoute an anonymous source:

"Loose change adapts the film in light of new information, the government changes its story when the public no longer believes it"
 
jessicarabbit said:
Gravy why are you using rule 14 of the disinfo handbook?

The crime does not have to be fully solved to question the integrity of current evidence.

When an innocent man is released on new evidence, that evidence does not have to include a new suspect.
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New evidence? You say you have calculations that prove that the calculations "our side" uses are wrong.

Since you refuse to advance our knowledge by presenting them, I say you're lying, as you have lied about so many things here.

Why do you constantly lie, jessicarabbit? Is it that you cannot, or will not stop?
 
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I dont know why you are calling it shots, when investigation of the wtc 7 collapse is ongoing.

Sounds like they are still at shot number 1.


Why couldn't the lc guys do all the fact checking in one shot?
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Ummmmmmmm......I think you got me.



Oh wait no. Because new stuff and new people are coming forward every day!!

WOW!
 
jessicarabbit said:
Its amazing they say dylan accuses people without evidence. They accuse dylan of making profits yet they provide no evidence. I have challenged them to produce a profit and loss analysis but they refuse. Bizarre.
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there are quotes by him (google it yourself ) of him stating how much money he wants to make off of loose change; him bragging about nameless hollywood studios want to pay "six figures" for Loose Change.

He spent $6000 to make his first version. who knows what he spent on versions 2 and 3. all the while making money from his tshirts sales and dvd sales (dvd, to which taht had copyrighted footage from the naudet film for which the naudets probably haven't been paid). What was his claim? over 200,000 copies of Loose Change were sold?
 
Gravy said:
New evidence? You say you have calculations that prove that the calculations "our side" uses are wrong.

Since you refuse to advance our knowledge by presenting them, I say you're lying, as you have lied about so many things here.

Why do you constantly lie, jessicarabbit? Is it that you cannot, or will not stop?
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Would you care to answer why you are suggesting we need to fully solve the crime and present new suspects?
 
jessicarabbit said:
The strongest part of LC will be the interviews. Imagine all the film goers watching broken men describe ho they were bombed to kingdom come in the towers, then became ill, then were dismissed by the government.
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the only interviews that would make LC strong would be the interviews by known experts and those who were there that day, along with the members of hte investigating teams, members of the fire department, members of the port authority.

From their trailers thus far, I haven' seen one expert, scientist, engineer, nor firsthand witness being interviewed. They featured a kook conspiracy theorist and crackpot lady at a bar....

Yes, the strongest part will be on the interviews...TAHT IS who they interview will make a break LC.
 
jessicarabbit said:
Would you care to answer why you are suggesting we need to fully solve the crime and present new suspects?
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I asked you to present your best evidence that anyone not already named was involved in the attacks of 9/11.

Whenever you're ready, jessicarabbit.

And have you given any thought to why you constantly lie?
 
jessicarabbit said:
Its amazing they say dylan accuses people without evidence. They accuse dylan of making profits yet they provide no evidence. I have challenged them to produce a profit and loss analysis but they refuse. Bizarre.
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You know that "profiting" is more than a financial term, don't you? Gaining popularity is also a profit. If nothing, Avery has gained much popularity since 9/11. This is demonstrable. And I find it difficult to believe he has not profited financially due to this increased popularity. Even in the absence of empirical evidence, logical deduction is very persuasive.

But, o.k. I'll play along. Let's ask Avery to give us an honest assessment of his earnings before and after 9/11. That should settle the issue.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Ummmmmmmm......I think you got me.



Oh wait no. Because new stuff and new people are coming forward every day!!

WOW!
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what new people? lookst like the NIST's prelim report supports what has been claimed all along.

Name a new person who came forward that isn't delusional or been subjected to conspiracy kooks claims?
 
Russell Pickering said:
Gravy,

You let me choose my friends and I'll decide the difference between mistakes of youth and what I find forgivable OK?

But if somebody supports the cover up of anything regarding 9/11 - even if it is because of "incompetence", while 3.45 US soldiers die every day last month and innocent citizens of the Middle East are murdered with 9/11 and the "war on terror" as a justification, you are not my people.

Russell
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I dont think anyone here supports covering for murderers(from either side) Russ, nor are we covering for incompetant, moronic leadership.

And its not "incompetence" - its incompetenace, and it's ever present in the USG. C'mon Russ, you were in the military! Finally, many of us do not support the current administration, or the war in Iraq. In case you hadn't noticed, about half the skeptics here aren't even American. Please don't make this an us vs. them affair. You are after the truth - no matter what form it may take, you should be dispassionate in your efforts to find it.

For the record, I too find it disheartening that you consider Killtown a friend. Does he posess any positive qualities that I'm not aware of? :confused:
 
Gravy said:
I asked you to present your best evidence that anyone not already named was involved in the attacks of 9/11.

Whenever you're ready, jessicarabbit.

And have you given any thought to why you constantly lie?
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Check the FBI website. When you show me some hard evidence of OBLs involvement I will convert to your church and become a jref gravy groupie.
 
Arus808 said:
there are quotes by him (google it yourself ) of him stating how much money he wants to make off of loose change; him bragging about nameless hollywood studios want to pay "six figures" for Loose Change.

He spent $6000 to make his first version. who knows what he spent on versions 2 and 3. all the while making money from his tshirts sales and dvd sales (dvd, to which taht had copyrighted footage from the naudet film for which the naudets probably haven't been paid). What was his claim? over 200,000 copies of Loose Change were sold?
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United 93 gross - $31.4 million domestically, and $73.5 million worldwide (10% of the first 3 days donated).

World Trade Center - Worldwide Gross $132,236,496
 
apathoid said:
For the record, I too find it disheartening that you consider Killtown a friend. Does he posess any positive qualities that I'm not aware of? :confused:
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We disagree STRONGLY on 9/11. My interactions with him have always been positive. He has never insulted me on a single occasion as the people have done here profusely.
 
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jessicarabbit said:
Would you care to answer why you are suggesting we need to fully solve the crime and present new suspects?
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BECAUSE YOU ARE GRATUITOUSLY ACCUSING PEOPLE (YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO) OF 2,700 PLUS COUNTS OF THE WORST CRIME KNOWN TO HUMANKIND!


Yes, I do expect you to fully solve the crime. I can be really demanding that way.



(Damnit, you made me type in all caps. Curse you)
 
Russell Pickering said:
We disagree STRONGLY on 9/11. My interactions with him have always been positive. He has never insulted me on a single occasion as the people have done here profusely.
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I don't agree with everything killtown says but at least he does research. He doesn't sit on his arse parroting the official story.
 
Mince said:
BECAUSE YOU ARE GRATUITOUSLY ACCUSING PEOPLE (YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO) OF 2,700 PLUS COUNTS OF THE WORST CRIME KNOWN TO HUMANKIND!


Yes, I do expect you to fully solve the crime. I can be really demanding that way.



(Damnit, you made me type in all caps. Curse you)
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Leading a nation to war under false pretense that resulted in the deaths of over 3000 soldiers (so far) and thousands of foreign citizens (some innocent) is called.......................
 
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