[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

Now this is TOTAL bs. These people are on record as actually witnessing these events. If you want to claim they are just deducing it, then it is up to you to interview them.

What? You mean you didn't interview ANY of these people who claim to have seen a plane clip the lamp posts?

What kind of idiotic investigation is that? The eye witness record of that day is pretty overwhelmingly consistent with the official story. In order to claim otherwise, you would certainly need to know why that is, don't you think?


Hey pal,

You don't know anything about the investigation, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

You don't know who we contacted or who we attempted to contact with no success or no return call.

We have conducted an investigation, and the light poles have been thoroughly evaluated in light of the new testimony and information we received.

You people and your hair-brained thinking isn't allowing you past first base.

Listen once again children...

IF THE PLANE IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OR NORTH SIDE OF THE GAS STATION, THEN IT DIDN'T HIT THE POLES?

DO...YOU...UNDERSTAND????

And we have already determined for a FACT that the plane was on the North Side, so those other accounts are proven to be deducion or exaggeration. Period.

Your only quandary should be regarding the actual proof from witnesses that the plane flew on the North Side.

PERIOD.
 
Essentially, we're once again dealing with "world's dumbest conspirators" syndrome.

These guys want us to believe that the evil genius conspirators had a damage path all set up beforehand, with busted lightpoles, internal Pentagon damage, etc. Then they flew the plane in THE WRONG WAY. And no one noticed.

How does that make ANY sense at all?

hahahaha
put as simple as that is hilarious

I think this new theory and its creators are suffering from 'incredibly stupid'
 
I encourage everyone who wants a laugh to visit Lyte Trip's MySpace page.

At least one of his MySpace "friends" has some sense:
i kinda to giggle to myself about how ****ing retarded the conspiracy theories continue to be... the cherrypicked evidence combined with intentional misquoting of small handfuls of witnesses somehow adding up to an all-encompassing government plot... though it's interesting that even now, not one of the conspiradroids can actually say what may have "really" happened that day, while taking into account all the (possible) pieces of the conspiracy...
To give you an idea of the mentality of this member of the self-described "Eite Pentagon Research Team," here's Lyte's warning near the top of the page:
Lyte Trip said:
They are conditioning kids in schools to accept chemtrails!!!
Lyte (real name apparently Craig) is a drummer with the OC-area band The Stemz. On that page there are lots of beavisy drug references and photos of...plant stems! Get it? "Stemz!" Lyte, you may want to ease up on the chronic. It clearly isn't helping.

Lyte wrote an account of the "Elite Pentagon Research Team's" visit to DC in August. Guess what? It turns out that in addition to Lloyd the cabbie, they DID interview two other people who were on the "light pole" witness list I provided a few posts back! Isn't it strange that Lyte didn't mention what they had to say?

Let's see what conclusions Lyte drew from those interviews.

1) About Lloyd England, who was nearly killed when a light pole that was struck by flight 77 impaled the windshield of his taxi:
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Lyte Trip said:
At this point the notion that Lloyd was under some sort of mind-control or hypnosis on that day simply cannot be easily dismissed. ...He offered to take us to go look at the cab in the country but we simply didnt have the time and frankly I wouldnt have gone anyway!
The imaginary light pole that didn't almost kill Lloyd England after the imaginary airliner didn't strike it.
In the background: the site where 189 imaginary people weren't murdered.
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Lyte Trip says he wouldn't have examined the car if given the chance.
That's the troofer spirit!

And here's the seat that Skeptic4Sure and Lyte say wasn't damaged. Of course: the upholstery on American luxury cars is sewn by chimpanzees – can't they get anything straight? – and the front seats are designed for optimum humpbacked passenger viewing through the rear windows.
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2) About Catholic Priest Father Stephen McGraw, who said "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car," and "I saw it crash into the building. There was an explosion and a loud noise, and I felt the impact":
Lyte Trip said:
Father Stephen McGraw is a prime candidate for a deep cover agent. What could possibly be a more cush job that would leave you plenty of time for clandestine covert operations than a priest?
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Of course. What could be more conducive to covert government work than ministering to a parish, holding regular religious services, presiding over wedddings and funerals (he was on his way to a funeral on 9/11), and comforting the stricken:
He was prepared to minister to those in need and equipped to anoint the wounded and dying. As he got there, people were being carried out. He identified himself, prayed with some, anointed others, and offered any words of encouragement he could. He assisted the many workers scrambling on the scene. He encountered a young woman who was seriously burned. As he was ministering to her, she looked up at him and simply said, "Tell my Mom and Dad I love them." She was then taken to a local hospital by helicopter. It was in the evening that Father McGraw made his way back to his car, located exactly where he left it earlier in the day, in the left lane of the road. But it was now tagged and marked by the FBI as a witness car. http://www.nccbuscc.org/vocations/article2.shtml
3) About news reporter Mike Walter, who was kind enough to invite the crack – or is that spliff? – Pentagon research team to his home for a barbecue, and who said, "...it turned and came around in front of the vehicle and it clipped one of these light poles ... and slammed right into the Pentagon right there":
Lyte Trip said:
The other side of the coin is that he may very well be an intelligence operative that was deep cover for the official story and was literally wooing us to keep tabs and soften the official account by befriending us and inviting us into his home.
So that's three unrelated witnesses to flight 77's actual flight path and crash who Lyte believes may either be victims of hypnosis or government disinfo agents.

Is it possible for a "Truth Seeker" to be any more dishonest than that?

Yes, it is. On his MySpace page Lyte Trip, the "Elite Pentagon Researcher," claims that the hole made by the plane that hit the Pentagon was only 13 feet wide! He shows a photo in which the right side of the hole is completely obscured by the spray from a fire hose. Lyte! What the hell is your problem? What happened to the truth?

Here's a view that doesn't attempt to hide the hole made by flight 77.
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Lyte, I expect that you will correct this deliberate misrepresentation immediately.

I also expect that you will retract your statements about the three witnesses above, or I will make it a point to speak to them myself, to record their full stories, and let them know how miserably you've repaid their generosity.

ETA: Here's another account by a very credible witness:

The ASCE also interviewed Don Mason, another employee of the Pentagon Renovation Program Office. At the time of the crash, Mason was "stopped in traffic west of the building," according to the ASCE account of his story. "The plane approached low," flying "directly" over him, "possibly clipping the antenna of the vehicle immediately behind him." It also "struck three light poles between him and the building."

Mason, the ASCE recounted, said that he saw his colleague Probst "directly in the plane's path, and he witnessed a small explosion as the portable generator was struck by the right wing." He also recalled "seeing the tail of the plane" as it entered the building, followed by a "fireball that erupted" upon the plane's impact. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/08-23-2004/facts.htm (Frank Probst's story of nearly being hit by flight 77 while on foot in front of the Pentagon, also appears at that site.
There's an interesting Library of Congress video presentation that includes a talk by Daryl Donley, the photographer who took several of the well-known shots of the Pentagon in flames just after it was hit, here: http://www.loc.gov/locvideo/911photo/911photo.ram (will open with Real Player)

Surprise! Donley mentions that the plane knocked down a lamp pole next to his car. I haven't watched this whole presentation...will have to do so later.

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Oh yes, because it said so on the internet, so they must have saw it. So when Kirk Milburn said "I guess it hit some light poles". He was positively stating that he saw the light poles get clipped?

You guys are no different than the CT's you bash.

You are going to learn a lot about witnesses and what they do.

The plane came on the North side. This is why we now know who is deducing and who is exaggerating or lying.

You people don't, because you are content with "i guess it hit some light poles"

That is your world.

hahahaha the light pole damage was staged!!! your all class!
 
I don't get it S4S.

The plane came on the North side. This is why we now know who is deducing and who is exaggerating or lying.

So you're using eyewitness reports to prove that the plane came on the north side and because these eyewitnesses prove that it came on the north side this then proves that they are telling the truth? Circular argumentation?

And you know this because of eyewitness accounts?

the light poles have been thoroughly evaluated in light of the new testimony and information we received.

And no deduction/lying/foggy memories possible with these testimonies?

I wish you all the best in your endevour S4S, it's highly amusing to follow.
 
Gravy thanks for that extra info on lytes myspace page. Kinda really paints the picture of this thread. Also I want to assure people as a drummer, some of us are reasonably nontarded.
 
One more 4 S4s:

Did these witnesses of yours, who put the plane on the wrong side of the Citgo, mention an impact with the Pentagon? (Its kinda an important detail)
If yes, did they deduce it?
 
Hey pal,

You don't know anything about the investigation, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

You don't know who we contacted or who we attempted to contact with no success or no return call.

We have conducted an investigation, and the light poles have been thoroughly evaluated in light of the new testimony and information we received.

You people and your hair-brained thinking isn't allowing you past first base.

Listen once again children...

IF THE PLANE IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OR NORTH SIDE OF THE GAS STATION, THEN IT DIDN'T HIT THE POLES?

DO...YOU...UNDERSTAND????

And we have already determined for a FACT that the plane was on the North Side, so those other accounts are proven to be deducion or exaggeration. Period.

Your only quandary should be regarding the actual proof from witnesses that the plane flew on the North Side.

PERIOD.

No we haven't, because you haven't proven it yet.
 
First class comedy from Mr Smokestoomuch, oh I mean, Lyte and S4S.
 
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this is one of the most ridiculous clutch of straws I have ever seen. Finally the CT has truly evolved to levels of idiocy never seen. The theories are the complete opposite of occams razor. Each new theory adds multiple and complex layers to an already impossible to do conspiracy. This takes the cake. The missle theory would be more realistic then this completely stupid idea. Staged light pole damage, mind control device operations...wtf???? This is like the Death Star idea, even controlled demolition is more plausable though completely ridiculous.
Why have these people gone home after being shown how wrong and misinformed they are and then come up with even more stupid ideas.

Did these guys meet up and like what, play marbles? I mean they must not have discussed anything of intelligence because we are now seeing the end result of this 'trip to the pentagon'. Its incredible that 5-6 paranoid people can actually sit around, go right of the deep end and actually come up with something even more stupid then it was before.

I think CT's work like this

1) Pose a virtually impossible theory as a starting point
2) Have experts denounce it and prove it wrong
3) Increase impossibility of theory by 20%
4) goto step 1

like a recursive algorithm without an escape clause pretty much.
 
Hey pal,

You don't know anything about the investigation, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

You don't know who we contacted or who we attempted to contact with no success or no return call.

We have conducted an investigation, and the light poles have been thoroughly evaluated in light of the new testimony and information we received.

You people and your hair-brained thinking isn't allowing you past first base.

Listen once again children...

IF THE PLANE IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OR NORTH SIDE OF THE GAS STATION, THEN IT DIDN'T HIT THE POLES?

DO...YOU...UNDERSTAND????

And we have already determined for a FACT that the plane was on the North Side, so those other accounts are proven to be deducion or exaggeration. Period.

Your only quandary should be regarding the actual proof from witnesses that the plane flew on the North Side.

PERIOD.

There you go again using the wrong word.

There is no if in FACT.

You people and your hair-brained thinking isn't allowing you past first base.

DO...YOU...UNDERSTAND????
 
I still cannot get over the fact that these people are using eyewitnesses who saw AA77 hit the Pentagon as proof that AA77 did not hit the Pentagon. Mind-numbing.

Thats worse than Jonny D'oh using data from the FDR of AA77 which was recovered from the Pentagon to prove that it didn't crash there....

These folks are truly deserving of the epithet - conspiracy theorists.
 
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Reading Lytes myspace page reminded me of a Cheech and Chong movie for some reason.
 
I'm packing my bags for Moracco.....er....uhh.. I mean Monaco..yeah thats it..as I type this. I thought Agent 005503(aka Wildcat) had this situation under control? :mad:
It's under control. What we've done is planted witnesses for them to interview, who will tell a story so ridiculous it will make these leaders of their movement appear completely insane. They have been conditioned w/ secret mind-control devices that makes them believe any whackjob story they hear, so long as it contradicts our official cover story.

Their movement will thus be discredited from within, so we and other NWO Globalists and our PNAC friends can continue to roll in the trillions of dollars in missing Pentagon money.
 
Lyte said, at LC.

"We found the white house document that Bush signed ordering the attacks."

It's all over for us. Take to the hills.
OMFG, I knew we should have just shredded the secret docs in WTC 7 instead of blowing the building to Kingdom Come and scattering them all over Manhattan! :boxedin:
 
It's under control. What we've done is planted witnesses for them to interview, who will tell a story so ridiculous it will make these leaders of their movement appear completely insane. They have been conditioned w/ secret mind-control devices that makes them believe any whackjob story they hear, so long as it contradicts our official cover story.

Their movement will thus be discredited from within, so we and other NWO Globalists and our PNAC friends can continue to roll in the trillions of dollars in missing Pentagon money.

Good plan, it seems to be working.
 
It's under control. What we've done is planted witnesses for them to interview, who will tell a story so ridiculous it will make these leaders of their movement appear completely insane. They have been conditioned w/ secret mind-control devices that makes them believe any whackjob story they hear, so long as it contradicts our official cover story.
Brilliant!

Their movement will thus be discredited from within, so we and other NWO Globalists and our PNAC friends can continue to roll in the trillions of dollars in missing Pentagon money.

Beautiful!! Money!!!
[evil laugh]
MUAH HA HA HA HA MUAH HA HA HA HA
MUAH HA HA HA HA MUAH HA HA HA HA
ha ha ha whew!
[/evil laugh]
 
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