Released: "Screw 9/11 Mysteries - Clunkity Clunk Edition"

The Doc · 18th January 2007, 07:08 AM

"Screw 9/11 Mysteries - Clunkity Clunk Edition" is now available for viewing.

BitTorrent - High Quality
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Coming Soon:
911mysteriesguide.com

Thanks for waiting guys.

Oliver · 18th January 2007, 08:20 AM

Watching now...

The "sleep" debunking is pretty harsh - man, the
movie didn´t even started!

I hope the truthers will not stop watching after
that comment.

The Doc · 18th January 2007, 08:23 AM

I have no doubt that they will stop watching at some point. They never do watch in full. The debunking is "harsh" but not really in the sense of personal attacks. I've really taken a shot at pretty much everything inaccurate that is said.

For example

"If you have ever started a wood fire you will know that smoking logs mean the fire is not burning correctly".

I bring up the fact that there were no logs in the WTC as a bit of humour. But the important part is that the actual issues are still addressed in full.

JAStewart · 18th January 2007, 08:29 AM

That is absolutely fantastic work there Doc, congrats!

The Doc · 18th January 2007, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by JAStewart

That is absolutely fantastic work there Doc, congrats!

Thanks buddy

Wait till you see the paper I'm writing. It's this but in the format of a website. About one A4 page of comments on every point they bring up.

A few minor errors that are in the film have been fixed as well. You can check out the layout here:

http://www.911mysteriesguide.com

JAStewart · 18th January 2007, 08:46 AM

Website looks really nice actually!

MikeW · 18th January 2007, 08:47 AM

Download (rather than watch) from Google with this link

The Doc · 18th January 2007, 08:49 AM

Thanks Mike

There are also various Firefox extensions out there that allow you to download in .avi format if anyone wants to take that path.

Panoply_Prefect · 18th January 2007, 08:55 AM

*cough*seed!*cough*

Arkan_Wolfshade · 18th January 2007, 09:02 AM

dagnabbit, I have to wait until I get home

LashL · 18th January 2007, 10:00 AM

I'm at work and not supposed to be watching but...

great work, Doc

man, that chick's voice is annoying

mortimer · 18th January 2007, 10:08 AM

I'll be watching the stream while I'm at work today. As soon as I get home I'll work on getting the thing downloaded from bittorrent and seeding it...

HyJinX · 18th January 2007, 10:10 AM

What does "seeding it" mean?

mortimer · 18th January 2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by HyJinX

What does "seeding it" mean?

http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/23.html

HyJinX · 18th January 2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by mortimer

http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/23.html

Thanks

Oliver · 18th January 2007, 10:28 AM

Oki doki. Finished watching. Well, this is pretty good work.
It was a little bit too fast to translate on the fly and some
debunking-messages were far to biased, but i like it.

Also because the additional info at the end concerning
the Al Qaida holograms.

Great job, Guys.

Bronze Dog · 18th January 2007, 10:42 AM

Watched the first 15 minutes, and when I get the time to watch the whole thing, I know I'm going to be looking forward to every time I hear *Ksssssh Booooop!*

Brainster · 18th January 2007, 12:25 PM

Clinkety-clink!

Linked at SLC; I'll add you to our top post as well as soon as blogger stops acting funky!

Great job, Doc! I know how much work you put into this!

chipmunk stew · 18th January 2007, 12:44 PM

Can't wait to watch the rest!

boloboffin · 18th January 2007, 12:47 PM

I've got a post at DU - it's being opened, but not a lot of comments yet.

Of course, we've just had a longtime poster banned over what I think is a misunderstanding...and there's all kinds of other stuff to wade through in the "dungeon", as we like to call our little corner of the DU server.

anticonspiracy911 · 18th January 2007, 12:52 PM

Doc,

So far good work on "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" but I'm surprised you didn't reply to the film's claim about the North Tower burning for 3 hours overnight and not collapsing. I think by ignoring this you gave the film a bit of momentum. I just wanted to see why that wasn't replied to in the film. Anyways, keep up the good work.

negativ · 18th January 2007, 12:55 PM

I'm less than 3 minutes in, and I like the presentation so far.

teeny little tiny nitpickery:

at 2:28 our intrepid "demolition hobbyist" claims that during the course of his research, he "literally" did not sleep for a week.

In my certainly non-expert understanding, such a period of complete sleep deprivation could reasonably be expected to lead to profound cognitive deficiencies, including paranoia, distorted visual and auditory perceptions, and full-blown hallucinations.

Might this explain the basis for his conclusions?

ETA: Ha ha, I should have waited an extra 30 seconds ~~~~~~

chipmunk stew · 18th January 2007, 01:19 PM

Question:

At about 23:57, where they're talking about an explosion just before the collapse--is that the video that was shown to have had its sound tampered with?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7824934#23m57s

babazaroni · 18th January 2007, 01:30 PM

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babazaroni · 18th January 2007, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

Question:

At about 23:57, where they're talking about an explosion just before the collapse--is that the video that was shown to have had its sound tampered with?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7824934#23m57s

I don't think so. The tampered video had the sound of many CD like explosions as the tower collapsed.

This single sound probably came from a beam buckling just before the collapse.

CurtC · 18th January 2007, 01:58 PM

At the 6:25 mark, it shows a man being interviewed by Fox News, at least that's what it's made out to be. He says "...come out of nowhere and then just REAMED into the side of the Twin Tower, EXPLODING THROUGH the other side. And then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first, and then the second, mostly due to structural failure, because the fire was just too intense."

This is immediately after the narrator is trying to make the point that the official story was born right there that morning.

I call "BS." I don't think this was an actual interview, but an actor paid by the film makers.

Coritani · 18th January 2007, 02:05 PM

"This video is currently not available.
please try again later"

ARRRGHH

I'm gettin' on the torrent now.

edit: Getting 3 KBs/sec. This may take some time.

~enigma~ · 18th January 2007, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Coritani

"This video is currently not available.
please try again later"

ARRRGHH

I'm gettin' on the torrent now.

edit: Getting 3 KBs/sec. This may take some time.

Always expect MIB to misunderstand the internet. The preview has been deleted and that is what is unavailable. Click the link in the first post for the FULL VERSION

T.A.M. · 18th January 2007, 02:22 PM

Doc:

Wonderful job. From now on, no matter what crap a truther brings up, all I have to do is say...Go watch "Screw 9/11 Mysteries".

Very well done.

TAM

A W Smith · 18th January 2007, 02:46 PM

I got it in 2 hours 23 mins with azureus and I guess I am one of the seeds now. Watched about half of it. great work. but I have no sound yet. Fell asleep halfway through. All that speed reading wore me out

Coritani · 18th January 2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by A W Smith

I got it in 2 hours 23 mins with azureus and I guess I am one of the seeds now. Watched about half of it. great work. but I have no sound yet. Fell asleep halfway through. All that speed reading wore me out

Jesus, 2 and a half hours? I'm still chuggin' along at around 11KB/sec!

Peephole · 18th January 2007, 02:50 PM

I've watched until about the first half hour, great stuff The Doc! The wood logs comment was hilarious and I loved the "hunt the core" bit.

A couple of comments on the part I've seen (a lot of nitpicking, yes

):

1. I think you could have picked better (clearer) and more quotes for the "what professionals think happened on 9/11" segment.
2. You could have mentioned that the appearance of "Brad" is quite deceiving, as I understand from the video's website, "Brad" isn't the creator of 9/11 Mysteries, which it does kind of seem to imply (and tries to give credit to the movie because he's a "conservative Republican").
3. When the woman first mentions the fire caused the steel building to give way, you could point out that it was the combined effect of the impact and fires that did that.
4. The "myth" the woman claims was developed wasn't just "fed by official sources" but also backed by countless scientists.
5. The 10 seconds complete collapse is of course complete BS, you could mention that right from the beginning.
6. The woman makes several references to the FEMA report but what about the NIST report? It seems like they never even heard of it.
7. She says "smaller models 767", but 767's are larger and heavier than 707's. You could also add that Robertson never envisioned the effects of the fuel on the fire (it's explained by Robertson himself later on but I think it's best to to point out everything as quickly as possible).
9. You claim the most important factor of the impact are size and speed, but is that so? I thought the most important factors were mass and speed. And the fuel makes up a large part of a plane's mass (at least that's what I understood from the Purdue Pentagon simulation).
10. With the De Martini segement you could again add that they never envisioned the effects of the fuel on the fire.
11. You claim engineers were surprised the buildings stood so long. But in the Bazant and Verdure paper they explicitly state the collapse was a big surprise to engineers.
12. When Barnett claims he had not seen a protected steel structure collapse, you could point out the protection of the WTC steel was blown off by the aircraft impact. Also of the examples it shows, the Parque Central in Caracas was a reinforced concrete structure of which two steel decks partially collapsed and I'm pretty sure World Trade Center 5 also endured partial collapses of the steel structure, due to the fires. You could also point out that the comparison to the 1975 World Trade Center fire is pretty awful.
13. You could point out immediatly that the pancake collapse theory presented in the PBS documentary is outdated.
14. You could have added examples of what burned in the towers. The kerosene (at first), wood furniture, carpet, office materials, computers, the aircraft contents (luggage, seats,...), etc...

Spelling errors i noticed:
8:50 World Trade Centers

defaultdotxbe · 18th January 2007, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bronze Dog

Watched the first 15 minutes, and when I get the time to watch the whole thing, I know I'm going to be looking forward to every time I hear *Ksssssh Booooop!*

have you watched screw loose change: not freaking again edition? it has a lot of informative ksssssssh boooooops too

Quote:

6. The woman makes several references to the FEMA report but what about the NIST report? It seems like they never even heard of it

on top of that she doesnt even reference the actual report, form what ive seen she only cites the executive summary

FramerDave · 18th January 2007, 02:57 PM

I'm about one hour into it, and bloody good debunking so far.

One thing that bugs me the most is the original producers' insistence on using O Fortuna to lend it a certain gravitas. And then to use a children's choir rendition of it? Boo hiss.

Coritani · 18th January 2007, 03:53 PM

Ah. I've got it working on google video (thanks, Enigma), and downloading it as well because it's gonna take days to finish downloading.

I'm about 12 minutes in, watching the bit about smoke color. Very impressed so far.

Keep it up, doc!

mortimer · 18th January 2007, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Coritani

Ah. I've got it working on google video (thanks, Enigma), and downloading it as well because it's gonna take days to finish downloading.

I'm about 12 minutes in, watching the bit about smoke color. Very impressed so far.

Keep it up, doc!

If you have broadband and you are only getting 11kb/sec, you probably don't have your incoming port forwarded on your router, so no peers can connect to you. I'm averaging 336kb/sec as we speak, and should have the whole thing downloaded in under an hour total.

~enigma~ · 18th January 2007, 04:23 PM

It hasn't even been up 12 hours and it is ranked #11 on today's movers and shakers page at google video.

The Doc · 18th January 2007, 04:28 PM

Ok first I would like to address one thing:

In the WTC7 segment I am aware there is an error. This is regarding the "kink". Please note:

"The exact location of Alex Jones' "crimp" is where the building was struck by falling debris" needs to be changed to:

Quote:

The exact location of Alex Jones' "crimp is where the section the building that the upper penthouse collapsed into 8.2 seconds before the tower fell.

Guess that was some of the 4am work I did.

It will be fixed in the guide.

HyJinX · 18th January 2007, 04:31 PM

Well done, Doc, well done.

HyJinX · 18th January 2007, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Revolutionary91 @ LC Forum

Thanks for the tip!
First argument: Using the NIST report? And taking a gusy word that has experience when 9/11 Mysteries also has people with a lot of experience. AND they say many steel framed buildings have collapsed? Wow...did a kid make this? I mean judging my the level of maturity of all thse videos I would say so. And I guess it's impossible for a guy to sleep off his sleep deprivation and get better right?

I may just watch the first 5 mintes and stop. The arguments are pathetic.

Not sure where I saw the post on JREF today, but someone said that most CTs won't make it past the 5 minute mark before they turn it off. Well...I think they were correct given the statement above.

Pathetic.

18th January 2007, 08:29 AM	#4
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18th January 2007, 08:46 AM	#6
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18th January 2007, 08:47 AM	#7
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18th January 2007, 10:08 AM	#12
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,517	I'll be watching the stream while I'm at work today. As soon as I get home I'll work on getting the thing downloaded from bittorrent and seeding it...
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18th January 2007, 10:10 AM	#13
HyJinX Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,662	What does "seeding it" mean?
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18th January 2007, 08:20 AM	#2
Oliver Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 17,396	Watching now... The "sleep" debunking is pretty harsh - man, the movie didn´t even started! I hope the truthers will not stop watching after that comment.

18th January 2007, 08:23 AM	#3
The Doc Curing Stupidity Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,158	I have no doubt that they will stop watching at some point. They never do watch in full. The debunking is "harsh" but not really in the sense of personal attacks. I've really taken a shot at pretty much everything inaccurate that is said. For example "If you have ever started a wood fire you will know that smoking logs mean the fire is not burning correctly". I bring up the fact that there were no logs in the WTC as a bit of humour. But the important part is that the actual issues are still addressed in full.

18th January 2007, 08:32 AM	#5
The Doc Curing Stupidity Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,158	Originally Posted by JAStewart That is absolutely fantastic work there Doc, congrats! Thanks buddy Wait till you see the paper I'm writing. It's this but in the format of a website. About one A4 page of comments on every point they bring up. A few minor errors that are in the film have been fixed as well. You can check out the layout here: http://www.911mysteriesguide.com

18th January 2007, 08:49 AM	#8
The Doc Curing Stupidity Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,158	Thanks Mike There are also various Firefox extensions out there that allow you to download in .avi format if anyone wants to take that path.

18th January 2007, 08:55 AM	#9
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18th January 2007, 09:02 AM	#10
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,154	dagnabbit, I have to wait until I get home

18th January 2007, 10:00 AM	#11
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 35,959	I'm at work and not supposed to be watching but... great work, Doc man, that chick's voice is annoying

18th January 2007, 10:15 AM	#14
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,517	Originally Posted by HyJinX What does "seeding it" mean? http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/23.html
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18th January 2007, 10:19 AM	#15
HyJinX Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,662	Originally Posted by mortimer http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/23.html Thanks
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18th January 2007, 10:28 AM	#16
Oliver Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 17,396	Oki doki. Finished watching. Well, this is pretty good work. It was a little bit too fast to translate on the fly and some debunking-messages were far to biased, but i like it. Also because the additional info at the end concerning the Al Qaida holograms. Great job, Guys.

18th January 2007, 10:42 AM	#17
Bronze Dog Copper Alloy Canid Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,993	Watched the first 15 minutes, and when I get the time to watch the whole thing, I know I'm going to be looking forward to every time I hear Ksssssh Booooop!
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18th January 2007, 12:25 PM	#18
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,745	Clinkety-clink! Linked at SLC; I'll add you to our top post as well as soon as blogger stops acting funky! Great job, Doc! I know how much work you put into this!
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18th January 2007, 12:44 PM	#19
chipmunk stew Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,448	Can't wait to watch the rest!

18th January 2007, 12:47 PM	#20
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,986	I've got a post at DU - it's being opened, but not a lot of comments yet. Of course, we've just had a longtime poster banned over what I think is a misunderstanding...and there's all kinds of other stuff to wade through in the "dungeon", as we like to call our little corner of the DU server.
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18th January 2007, 12:52 PM	#21
anticonspiracy911 Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356	Doc, So far good work on "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" but I'm surprised you didn't reply to the film's claim about the North Tower burning for 3 hours overnight and not collapsing. I think by ignoring this you gave the film a bit of momentum. I just wanted to see why that wasn't replied to in the film. Anyways, keep up the good work.

18th January 2007, 12:55 PM	#22
negativ Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,904	I'm less than 3 minutes in, and I like the presentation so far. teeny little tiny nitpickery: at 2:28 our intrepid "demolition hobbyist" claims that during the course of his research, he "literally" did not sleep for a week. In my certainly non-expert understanding, such a period of complete sleep deprivation could reasonably be expected to lead to profound cognitive deficiencies, including paranoia, distorted visual and auditory perceptions, and full-blown hallucinations. Might this explain the basis for his conclusions? ETA: Ha ha, I should have waited an extra 30 seconds ~~~~~~
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18th January 2007, 01:19 PM	#23
chipmunk stew Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,448	Question: At about 23:57, where they're talking about an explosion just before the collapse--is that the video that was shown to have had its sound tampered with? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7824934#23m57s

18th January 2007, 01:30 PM	#24
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18th January 2007, 01:32 PM	#25
babazaroni Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 787	Originally Posted by chipmunk stew Question: At about 23:57, where they're talking about an explosion just before the collapse--is that the video that was shown to have had its sound tampered with? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7824934#23m57s I don't think so. The tampered video had the sound of many CD like explosions as the tower collapsed. This single sound probably came from a beam buckling just before the collapse.
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18th January 2007, 01:58 PM	#26
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,785	At the 6:25 mark, it shows a man being interviewed by Fox News, at least that's what it's made out to be. He says "...come out of nowhere and then just REAMED into the side of the Twin Tower, EXPLODING THROUGH the other side. And then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first, and then the second, mostly due to structural failure, because the fire was just too intense." This is immediately after the narrator is trying to make the point that the official story was born right there that morning. I call "BS." I don't think this was an actual interview, but an actor paid by the film makers.
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18th January 2007, 02:05 PM	#27
Coritani Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 317	"This video is currently not available. please try again later" ARRRGHH I'm gettin' on the torrent now. edit: Getting 3 KBs/sec. This may take some time.
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18th January 2007, 02:15 PM	#28
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923	Originally Posted by Coritani "This video is currently not available. please try again later" ARRRGHH I'm gettin' on the torrent now. edit: Getting 3 KBs/sec. This may take some time. Always expect MIB to misunderstand the internet. The preview has been deleted and that is what is unavailable. Click the link in the first post for the FULL VERSION
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18th January 2007, 02:22 PM	#29
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	Doc: Wonderful job. From now on, no matter what crap a truther brings up, all I have to do is say...Go watch "Screw 9/11 Mysteries". Very well done. TAM

18th January 2007, 02:46 PM	#30
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,032	I got it in 2 hours 23 mins with azureus and I guess I am one of the seeds now. Watched about half of it. great work. but I have no sound yet. Fell asleep halfway through. All that speed reading wore me out
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18th January 2007, 02:49 PM	#31
Coritani Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 317	Originally Posted by A W Smith I got it in 2 hours 23 mins with azureus and I guess I am one of the seeds now. Watched about half of it. great work. but I have no sound yet. Fell asleep halfway through. All that speed reading wore me out Jesus, 2 and a half hours? I'm still chuggin' along at around 11KB/sec!
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18th January 2007, 02:50 PM	#32
Peephole Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,584	I've watched until about the first half hour, great stuff The Doc! The wood logs comment was hilarious and I loved the "hunt the core" bit. A couple of comments on the part I've seen (a lot of nitpicking, yes ): 1. I think you could have picked better (clearer) and more quotes for the "what professionals think happened on 9/11" segment. 2. You could have mentioned that the appearance of "Brad" is quite deceiving, as I understand from the video's website, "Brad" isn't the creator of 9/11 Mysteries, which it does kind of seem to imply (and tries to give credit to the movie because he's a "conservative Republican"). 3. When the woman first mentions the fire caused the steel building to give way, you could point out that it was the combined effect of the impact and fires that did that. 4. The "myth" the woman claims was developed wasn't just "fed by official sources" but also backed by countless scientists. 5. The 10 seconds complete collapse is of course complete BS, you could mention that right from the beginning. 6. The woman makes several references to the FEMA report but what about the NIST report? It seems like they never even heard of it. 7. She says "smaller models 767", but 767's are larger and heavier than 707's. You could also add that Robertson never envisioned the effects of the fuel on the fire (it's explained by Robertson himself later on but I think it's best to to point out everything as quickly as possible). 9. You claim the most important factor of the impact are size and speed, but is that so? I thought the most important factors were mass and speed. And the fuel makes up a large part of a plane's mass (at least that's what I understood from the Purdue Pentagon simulation). 10. With the De Martini segement you could again add that they never envisioned the effects of the fuel on the fire. 11. You claim engineers were surprised the buildings stood so long. But in the Bazant and Verdure paper they explicitly state the collapse was a big surprise to engineers. 12. When Barnett claims he had not seen a protected steel structure collapse, you could point out the protection of the WTC steel was blown off by the aircraft impact. Also of the examples it shows, the Parque Central in Caracas was a reinforced concrete structure of which two steel decks partially collapsed and I'm pretty sure World Trade Center 5 also endured partial collapses of the steel structure, due to the fires. You could also point out that the comparison to the 1975 World Trade Center fire is pretty awful. 13. You could point out immediatly that the pancake collapse theory presented in the PBS documentary is outdated. 14. You could have added examples of what burned in the towers. The kerosene (at first), wood furniture, carpet, office materials, computers, the aircraft contents (luggage, seats,...), etc... Spelling errors i noticed: 8:50 World Trade Centers
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18th January 2007, 02:56 PM	#33
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,474	Originally Posted by Bronze Dog Watched the first 15 minutes, and when I get the time to watch the whole thing, I know I'm going to be looking forward to every time I hear Ksssssh Booooop! have you watched screw loose change: not freaking again edition? it has a lot of informative ksssssssh boooooops too Quote: 6. The woman makes several references to the FEMA report but what about the NIST report? It seems like they never even heard of it on top of that she doesnt even reference the actual report, form what ive seen she only cites the executive summary
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18th January 2007, 02:57 PM	#34
FramerDave Muse Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 819	I'm about one hour into it, and bloody good debunking so far. One thing that bugs me the most is the original producers' insistence on using O Fortuna to lend it a certain gravitas. And then to use a children's choir rendition of it? Boo hiss.
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18th January 2007, 03:53 PM	#35
Coritani Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 317	Ah. I've got it working on google video (thanks, Enigma), and downloading it as well because it's gonna take days to finish downloading. I'm about 12 minutes in, watching the bit about smoke color. Very impressed so far. Keep it up, doc!
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18th January 2007, 04:11 PM	#36
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,517	Originally Posted by Coritani Ah. I've got it working on google video (thanks, Enigma), and downloading it as well because it's gonna take days to finish downloading. I'm about 12 minutes in, watching the bit about smoke color. Very impressed so far. Keep it up, doc! If you have broadband and you are only getting 11kb/sec, you probably don't have your incoming port forwarded on your router, so no peers can connect to you. I'm averaging 336kb/sec as we speak, and should have the whole thing downloaded in under an hour total.
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