Skepticism and The Normal

Professor Yaffle said:
Eureka!

I think I have solved it!!!

The things that we call subjective almost always have some sort of reference to external reality.
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well, almost always and always are two different things. Dont forget that anything objective also has a refrence in subjective reality as well. They recapitulate, dont leave out half of the dance!

Therefore they are by BF's definition both objective and subjective (or true and false to him) and therefore in his terms mystery.
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Your close. Subjective events may have objective refrences, and vice versa, but objective/subjective is a coupling, so you can always find refrences to each other. However, one may be dominant in perception at any given momemt over the other. The idea is to distinguish which dominant perception is influencing you or the other person

I really can't think of anything subjective that doesn't at least have some reference to external objective reality (help me out, can anyone think of anything?).
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dreams, ideas, feelings....


So the only thing left in his False/subjective category are things that we would call false objective. The only things in his True category are objective true items. Therefore if we translate from bubblefish language to english:

True = objectively true
False = objectively false
Mystery = subjective
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mystery is objective/subjective at once, you can make no distinction. I will say that however you are tapping into one of the subtle harmonies or couplings. objective/subjective is a simple coupling. the subtle couplings are subjective/mystery and objective/mystery.

Since OS 012 is both rational AND intuitive, dont just think about only, rather, let intuition guide you AND think about it. Then you will get it.

Our brain circuits are ternary in nature, you are wired to get it.


BF
 
Professor Yaffle said:
The energy of the universe is both 0 and infinite.

Therefore [qimg]http://www.randi.org/latexrender/latex.php?$\infty$[/qimg] = 0.

0 = mystery

[qimg]http://www.randi.org/latexrender/latex.php?$\infty$[/qimg] is a mysterious concept.

WOW it is all so clear!
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bingo.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
But we can correlate feeling sad or feeling sick with objective things. There are things that happen in the world that make most people sad, and food poisoning makes most people feel sick, so wouldn't they be both objective and subjective in Rome's world?
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Look at it this way. There is objective/subjective distinguishable, as what you describe above. and then there is objective/subjective INdistinguishable.
 
Somewhere in the distance
Hidden from view
Suspended in the atmosphere
Waiting to come through
Sometimes it's so far away
Sometimes it's very near
sound being carried by the wind
Just loud enough to hear
feel its power within me
Bells ringing in my head
So often I have heard its cry
But forgotten what it said
It's a mystery, it's a mystery
I'm still searching for a clue
It's a mystery to me
shot in the dark
The big question mark in history
Is it a mystery to you?
It can treat you with a vengeance
Trip you in the dark
Sirens in the distance
Can steer you from the path
It can lift you to the heavens
Put your troubles in the past
Whisper the elixir
Then vanish in a blast
It's a mystery, it's a mystery
I'm still searching for a clue
It's a mystery to me
shot in the dark
The big question mark in history
Is it a mystery to you?
 
Professor Yaffle said:
<singing>It'th a myth-tery </singing>
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Nice play of words! 'Myth' does relate to mystery,yet the 'myth' is the FALSE idea of the mystery, the ARTISTIC EXPRESSION of the mystery, which contains FURTHER TRUTH that can be OBJECTIFIED once it is distinguished!

How much 'truth' did Joseph Cambell find in 'myth'?

I think that if I didnt have Joseph Cambell's writings and wisdom in my psyche, i never would have 'gotten' OS 012.


Bubblefish

PS, as a side note. I think Science Fiction today plays the role that myth and religion did in our past. Thoughts?
 
Okay, now to up the ante more on the intuitive side.

What is Love in OS 012? Love is any qualia of UNION. What is union? The HARMONY of Opposites. What is reality but the harmony of objective/subjective?

Isn't OS 012 beautiful?


The Philosophy of Logic cannot account for love or beauty, and if one's philosophy cannot account for love or beauty, then what value can it really have?

The Philosophy of Ternary Logic, however, can account for that, as well as provide a logic that can account for it!

BF
 
Since OS 012 is both rational AND intuitive, dont just think about only, rather, let intuition guide you AND think about it. Then you will get it.
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If you have a intuitive reaction to that poem, then YES, you are on the road to understanding.
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OS 012 is for understanding.
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Nice play of words! 'Myth' does relate to mystery,yet the 'myth' is the FALSE idea of the mystery, the ARTISTIC EXPRESSION of the mystery, which contains FURTHER TRUTH that can be OBJECTIFIED once it is distinguished!
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Okay, now to up the ante more on the intuitive side.

What is Love in OS 012? Love is any qualia of UNION. What is union? The HARMONY of Opposites. What is reality but the harmony of objective/subjective?

Isn't OS 012 beautiful?


The Philosophy of Logic cannot account for love or beauty, and if one's philosophy cannot account for love or beauty, then what value can it really have?

The Philosophy of Ternary Logic, however, can account for that, as well as provide a logic that can account for it!
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blah, blah, blah de blah.

Still not going to tell us how it actually works then Bubb?

Note, this is not a magical argument, since it is not an argument at all. It is a request, one that you have been dodging for many months now.

Incidentally, what exactly do "The Managment" manag?
 
Nice play of words! 'Myth' does relate to mystery,yet the 'myth' is the FALSE idea of the mystery, the ARTISTIC EXPRESSION of the mystery, which contains FURTHER TRUTH that can be OBJECTIFIED once it is distinguished!
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Sigh... I was doing an impression of Toyah with her thlight lithp
 
Arg, after that music video, I needed to get back to some inspiration.

So I did one of my favorite things, I went to an online tao te jing, and replaced 'way' or 'tao' with 'mystery'.

That's what's cool about three values, you can translate them into other frameworks for further insight.

The tao of mystery:

The Mystery
The Mystery that can be experienced is not true;
The world that can be constructed is not true.
The Mystery manifests all that happens and may happen;
The world represents all that exists and may exist.

To experience without intention is to sense the world;
To experience with intention is to anticipate the world.
These two experiences are indistinguishable;
Their construction differs but their effect is the same.

Beyond the gate of experience flows the Mystery,
Which is ever greater and more subtle than the world.
 
You are again being quite deceptive and misleaing. There is no contradiction to my meanings in philosophy, indeed, philosophy tends to support my meanings.

YOUR meanings, however, of objective, are NOT in accordance with philosophy, but rather GRAMMAR, and I have already argued and shown that beyond all reasonable argument.
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But when communicating in any language, one has to use the language AS everyone ELSE understands it, otherwise one can't communicate.

Are you saying that "philiosophy" supports your argument?

Which particular branch of philosophy?


I have already argued and shown that beyond all reasonable argument.
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Don't you mean:

"I have already argued ...beyond all reasonable argument."?
 
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