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If I Was An Evil Genius... Refuting Conspiracy Theories via Motive

R.Mackey

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For almost a year now, I've shared my scientific opinions on why every known conspiracy theory surrounding September 11th is total nonsense. Today, let me depart from the tack of method, and instead consider an argument from motive.

To the untrained eye, the issue of motive is potentially equivocal between the two camps. It is immediately clear that radical Islamic terrorists, who have repeatedly issued calls to kill Americans and inflict damage upon the United States in any way possible, would have a motive in carrying out the attacks. But it is also plausible, at first glance, that a totally unrelated force would have an equally valid if different motive.

As I will demonstrate, this seeming plausibility is an illusion, caused by the indeterminacy of the hypothetical responsible party. Upon closer examination, the motive disappears completely, and we are again left with the conclusion that the only rational theory -- given the current state of the evidence -- agrees with the hypothesis of the 9/11 Commission1.

Defining the Alternate Hypothesis

The so-called Truth Movement, consisting of those who reject the commonly accepted hypothesis, are consistently vague in describing their suspect. A few within the Movement will identify an individual or organization, for example President George W. Bush, but these few arrive at no consensus. Some figures named are entirely mythical, such as Leo Wanta, or blown out of proportion, as in the case of the Freemasons. More typically, any figure named is a "middleman," a stooge or patsy for the "real operators" who remain unidentified.

For purposes of this discussion, the precise identities of the perpetrators are not necessary. Furthermore, we need not consider the virtually unassailable results of various legitimate investigations into what happened, such as the NIST investigation2 into the collapse of World Trade Center 1 and 2. Our argument is sufficiently elegant to handle the entire space of conspiracy theories, e.g. bombs in towers, fake airliners, and so on. The only relevant quantity is the defining characteristic of the party responsible, loosely defined as that of an Evil Genius. Consider:

  • The responsible party engineered an enormous, intricate plan
  • The plan was carried out to satisfy unknown, sinister, and obscure needs
  • The plan succeeded and escaped detection, leaving only a handful of innocuous clues
  • The true architects successfully planted an alternate explanation and framed Al-Qaeda for their deeds
These characteristics define the traits of a Machiavellian mastermind. We shall, therefore, consider the motivations of such a mastermind, but our speculation will go beyond the superficial.

The Problem of Genius

The Evil Genius hypothesis poses a subtle problem for the Truth Movement, which is this: The general public is unfamiliar with Evil Genius. It is difficult for an ordinary person to predict how such a character will behave, given the scarcity of opportunity to observe such an individual in action. Similarly, virtually all of the Truth Movement expects this operation to have been carefully orchestrated over many years, perhaps a part of a "master plan," and such planning therefore exceeds the resources available to practically anyone.

The natural consequence of this is for the Truth Movement to vastly underestimate the capacity of Evil Genius. While the variety of speculation seems imaginative, sadly, it is not, but rapidly falls into cliche. This is perhaps inevitable, given the ready availability of criminal mastermind cliches available to the public. It is reasonable to suppose the imagination of the Truth Movement in concocting a speculative arch-villain is no more refined than that of Hollywood script writers, who are paid to do precisely that. And just as no one should automatically assume all movie villains are realistic -- not even freed of real-world constraints, as movies are -- no one should assume the Truth Movement's villains are properly cast.

It comes as no surprise that movie villains bear little resemblance to reality, simply because complex plots are rare in real life. While there is no shortage of small, tight-knit conspiracies, most of them involve only a few people; few involve drama, confrontation, or exchange of weapons fire; and most are only concerned with money.

Assuming an Evil Genius would willingly entertain complexity and risk, with no direct path to financial gains, is folly. Such plots are the rare exception, and are therefore almost unheard of, certainly unfamiliar to the average person.

RANT! As an aside, consider the wealth of Evil Geniuses presented in the James Bond 007 movie franchise.* The genre is replete with improbable megalomaniacs, each with a plan more intricate than the last -- so intricate, in fact, that it winds up leaving critical loopholes that allow the hero to escape, and inevitably dooms the project itself. This stereotype is so laughable that numerous parodies exist as a result, notably the recent Austin Powers series. It goes without saying that a true Evil Genius would behave quite differently.

Indeed, the most accurate Evil Genius portrayed was featured in the ultimate movie of the series, "Goldfinger." This villain was realistic in that he attempted a plot that was within his means, and indulged in only a few superfluous embellishments. It is not a coincidence that this movie contained the only workable evil plot of the entire series.** It is also not a coincidence that its antagonist, Auric Goldfinger, was not defeated by James Bond at all, but rather brought down by a turncoat in his acceptably small operation.

*: No nasty letters, please. I am a fan, even of the Dalton movies, if grudgingly.
**: Honorable mention to Octopussy, some elements of which were small and elegant enough to be plausible, in my opinion.


In order to disprove the adequacy of the Truth Movement's proposed super-villains, all we have to do is compare them to a better one. We shall invent such a character in the following section.

Evil Genius At Large

I propose to the readership that I am at best an adequate Evil Genius, and at worst hopelessly overmatched by the supposed mastermind of September 11th.

Unlike many readers, I have had some real-life training in evil leadership, through the amateur theatrics afforded by the curious sport of scenario paintball. In this sport, players experience a live-action, real-time role-playing and combat scenario, complete with simulated military and scientific hardware, an underlying storyline and shifting allegiances, and small factions of plotters within a larger "army." See here for a production company specializing in these games, and here for a magazine writeup of such an event. I have led "the forces of evil" in such games, including the one referenced above, and I have traded numerous stories with others. This exchange of tactics, combined with testing them in a chaotic environment, naturally sharpens one's abilities.

In stating this, I do not wish to claim that my capacity for Evil Genius exceeds that of others. I only wish to stress my belief that Evil Genius is a learned ability, and to identify one such avenue in which these skills can be acquired. Fortunately, I don't have to outperform any real Evil Genius -- I only have to outperform the fake one supposed by the Truth Movement.

On the basis of my experience, I will now explain how a genuine Evil Genius would have handled September 11th, and highlight the important differences between that and the claims of the Truth Movement.

Claims, Motive, and the Mark of Genius

1. No Planes Hit The Towers3
In order to claim planes hit the Towers, without actually doing it, one has to fool literally thousands of people in New York City who would see it with their own eyes. This is simply unnecessary. An Evil Genius would use at least one of the following ploys to reduce or eliminate this risk:
  • Hit the Towers at night
  • Use less easily identified aircraft
  • Wait for fog or obscure the target area with smoke
  • Choose different high-profile targets, either with relatively hidden flightpaths, or with so many aircraft plausibly in the area as to confuse witnesses
  • Dive steeply onto the targets
  • Don't use planes at all, but shift to a simpler truck-bombing story

2. 767's Couldn't Have Destroyed The Towers4
This argument supposes that the Evil Genius would know this ahead of time, and would thus have to have weakened the buildings or employed a secondary attack to finish them off -- because the towers did in fact fall, eventually.

Rubbish. A true Evil Genius would simply upgrade to 747's. Why not?​

3. Fires Couldn't Have Destroyed The Towers5
See above. It would have been simple to concoct an equally compelling story in which the Towers were finished off at once, either through a larger aircraft or a successful truck bombing, after the 1993 attempt. If there was any risk of the planned attack mode failing to achieve the desired effect, the solution is simply to escalate -- not to complicate the scheme with pre-placement, which is time-consuming, prone to discovery, more expensive, and requires more workforce and more expertise.​

4. WTC 7 Collapsed, But Wasn't Hit By A Plane6
If WTC 7's demise was a requirement, an Evil Genius would have made certain that it withstood crippling damage rather than relying upon chance dispersal of flaming wreckage. A fifth plane would be the obvious solution. If one can hijack four, why not five?

Similarly, WTC 7 absolutely would not have contained explosives, for similar reasons to 1. and 2. above. There is no reason to plan for a two-stage attack when a single stage can do the job just as well, and without any risk of discovery.​

5. Osama bin Laden Is A CIA Patsy7
This is the most intricate argument. Several possibilities:

  1. Created by the Evil Genius: Too risky, too long-term. Such an infamous figure loose in the Islamic world would have been exposed. This also requires a plan of over 20 years duration, which is simply not needed.
  2. Genuine, but Contracted by the Evil Genius: Exposes the Evil Genius to unnecessary risk. bin Laden can further his aims by revealing his connections after committing Sept. 11th. Better options exist for the Evil Genius.
  3. Genuine, but Captured / Killed: Second best option, but in this case the Evil Genius would have performed this step prior to carrying out the operation, and it involves some risk in that the attempt could fail and be exposed. If successful, this would be indistinguishable from bin Laden going into hiding, but there would then be no need to issue a conflicting statement through the Taliban in the early days following the operation.
  4. Genuine, Unconnected with the Operation in Any Way: Extremely risky. bin Laden and his operatives are likely to have alibis -- the "hijackers are still alive" scenario, except it wouldn't be a reporting mistake this time.
  5. Don't Pin This on bin Laden At All: Best option. If bin Laden is real and the specter of terrorism furthers the Evil Genius's aims, let him continue with no interference or assistance. Manufacture a simpler competitor, one without the notoriety and under better control. As we have seen since with figures such as al-Zarqawi, this doesn't take very long at all.

6. The Pentagon Wasn't Hit By A Plane8
This is similar to the WTC argument, except the Pentagon is within line-of-site of air traffic controllers at Reagan National Airport -- who can be counted on to correctly identify an aircraft -- and the Pentagon is a more resilient structure. The Evil Genius would definitely not risk exposure by using an aircraft that did not match the story.​

7. Planes Were Remote Controlled9
No Evil Genius would enact a plan that required remote control, simply because of the technical risk involved. If for whatever reason aircraft were required but no sacrificial pilots were available, some simpler variant would be found:

  • At the very least, use fly-by-wire aircraft
  • Use aircraft with the most advanced autopilots, such as the 777
  • Do not choose single building targets, but rather aim aircraft at broader areas, achievable without requiring control beyond simply pointing it in the general vicinity
  • Bailout at low speed, perhaps over the ocean, leaving the aircraft to accelerate on its own toward the target

8. NORAD Was Stood Down10
The surest way to arouse suspicions of the military, which stands the best chance of anyone of stopping the Evil Genius, is to mess with its processes. Such a risk would be foolish in the extreme.

Rather than stand down NORAD, if interception was a risk, the Evil Genius would compensate by reducing the intercept window available even further than was done on September 11th. NORAD cannot possibly react instantaneously, no matter how sophisticated it becomes. Furthermore, apart from beating NORAD, it could also be confused with false signals, or overwhelmed with additional aircraft. Either option is superior, both in risk and effect, to that of forcing NORAD to stand idle.​

9. Flight 93 Was Shot Down11
It isn't clear to me what value Flight 93 being shot down or not adds to the story. Supposing it was, it isn't clear what value there is to hide this fact. If the shoot-down was part of the plan, but had to be hidden, the Evil Genius would take steps to ensure the shootdown was not observed, and wreckage not recovered. The aircraft could have been shot down over a large lake or the open ocean. The FDR and CVR would certainly have been disabled by innocuous means -- power or data lines severed in a way consistent with poor maintenance.

More likely, the shooter was not part of the conspiracy. In that case, the aircraft would have been flown as to give NORAD the maximum chance to intercept and destroy the aircraft. This was not done either.

If the aircraft was shot down to give the illusion of the "Hero Story," when in fact no such on-board heroics existed, the shoot-down is totally incongruous. The plane would simply have been crashed on purpose.​

10. Flight 77 FDR Is Inconsistent12
I should point out that there is no evidence that it is, in fact, inconsistent. However, this is perhaps the most obvious case of underestimating the Evil Genius. Why an incorrect FDR would have been planted in the rubble, when no FDR or one too damaged for readout (like its companion, the CVR) would suffice, is totally inexplicable. Likewise, if spoofing an FDR was somehow required, the Evil Genius had resources at its disposal to spoof it correctly.

And as pointed out in 6, there is no compelling reason not to crash the Pentagon. Simplest approach is to crash a fully-functional aircraft and not adjust the FDR in any way.​

11. Telephone Calls From the Planes Were Faked13
An Evil Genius would need no fake phone calls. The operations did not require any phone calls at all. If, for some reason, such calls were desirable, it would be a simple matter for the hijackers to order passengers to make such calls. The alternative, either using actors or electronic trickery to fake voices, is expensive and pointless, and brings a new technical element into the conspiracy. Like many other items here, anything that involves more people adds risk, and risk without reward would not be tolerated.​

12. The Follow-Up Anthrax Attack Proves Government Involvement14
The anthrax attacks were clumsy and ineffective in the eyes of an Evil Genius. The lack of coordination is startling. Had this been part of the Conspiracy, there are several better uses:

  • Carry spores on the planes, contaminating the impact zones and making cleanup much more difficult
  • Mail spores to high-ranking government officials at the same time, not a week afterward
  • Mail spores to a broader distribution and higher profile individuals -- an out-of-date address for the National Enquirer? Are you serious?

13. The News Is All Corrupt15
If the Evil Genius has total control over the US Media, then it is uncertain if it can be challenged at all. Regardless, an Evil Genius would not rely on its control of the US Media simply for fear of contradiction by foreign media. Discrepancies of fact would not be hidden, but rather highlighted.

If the Evil Genius has control over foreign media as well, then we may assume its supremacy is assured, and no conspiracy is even warranted.

As before, the best option is to let the Media function as expected. This adds legitimacy to the operation.​

14. All The Engineers In the World Are Corrupt16
This is an extension of 13. If the Evil Genius has influence over all of the world's engineers, then no conspiracy is needed. Even if it was, engineers are capable of wreaking a far more sophisticated event with lower risk. Virtually any building and any device in the world could be rigged to turn on anyone at any time, if all of us are in on it.​

15. The Towers Were Destroyed By Nuclear Devices17
Similar to the Anthrax case, if the Evil Genius had control of nuclear devices, a simpler and equally effective plan would be to just detonate them. No planes, no hijackers, nothing at all would be needed. You start the countdown, dump the bomb in a garbage can, drive away, and prepare a list of your demands. That's it.

What is claimed for nuclear devices, typically, is that the conspiracy used "micro-nukes" capable of destroying only a city block and releasing no detectable radiation. No such weapons exist. Development of such weapons would be incredibly expensive, fraught with technical risk, would have to be tested -- covertly, somehow -- before use, and confer no discernable benefit.​

16. Holograms Fooled Everyone18
It is difficult to gauge the seriousness of such a theory. Would this hologram fool people inside the building? How about those whom the holographic plane would have hit? Would they die from shock? Were the resulting fires holographic?

As above, development of such a technology would be frightfully expensive, even assuming it is theoretically possible. Even if a reality, one may assume that many, large, unusual emitters would have to be positioned within line of sight of the holographic projection. Construction of these facilities would be an unbelievable security risk, one that no Evil Genius would possibly contemplate, even if this option offered any benefits over using aircraft or truck bombs. It does not.​

17. Beams from Space Destroyed The Towers19
As a would-be Evil Genius, I described the design constraints for a space beam here, concluding that a beam capable of destroying the Towers would require thousands of tons of orbital throw-weight, and is therefore impractical and grossly inefficient. My calculations suggest that a satellite with the ability to fry a single person or perhaps start a car on fire is technically feasible, but horrifically expensive.

The revised claim suggests that some undreamed-of physics allows total conversion of steel into energy, thus requiring a much lower beam power. If this device exists, and is in the hands of Evil Genius, then your worries are over. Such a device would be the most significant scientific advance since fire. Consider the implications:

  • Reconfigured into an electrical generator, this device would immediately solve the world's energy problems. There's no longer a need for "blood for oil," not now or ever.
  • Reconfigured into a propulsion system, the Human Race now has a genuine star drive.
  • Used militarily, all the Evil Genius has to do is point it at the Earth and issue demands.

Conclusions

As I have shown above by considering a wide range of Truth Movement hypotheses from the standpoint of a hypothetical actor, strictly concerned with motive, the Truth Movement has no argument that Sept. 11th was anything other than it appears. The Truth Movement consistently underestimates the capability and sophstication of their imagined adversaries. A more accurate accounting of motive leads to the conclusion that their "evidence" does not support any credible hypothesis, regardless of who the actors may be.

We may safely assume that the "New World Order," whatever form it takes, is at least as insightful as I am, and thus, if they were capable of the things the Truth Movement claims they did, they would not have done those things, but instead forged a vastly superior plan.

In other words, if a single word of the Truth Movement's claims is true, then it should be frightened indeed. The Truth Movement cannot even imagine what such individuals could accomplish, if they are correct. As a consequence, the Truth Movement stands no chance whatsoever to detect, interpret, predict, or prevent any ongoing or future conspiracy.

References

The majority of references are to Truth Movement sites, in an attempt to document that the claims I list above are actual claims made by the Truth Movement, and not mere "strawman" arguments. Others in the Truth Movement will be quick to claim that these are "disinfo," maybe even created by the Government specifically to discredit the Movement, but this, too, is moot. No Evil Genius would conduct "disinfo." Why tamper, when the lunatics of the world will create these stories for free?

1: 9/11 Commission Report: http://www.9-11commission.gov/
2: NIST Report: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/
3: http://www.911hoax.com/
4: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc_demolition_init.htm
5: http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Apr_05/100405_WTC_Fire.html
6: http://www.rense.com/general65/911m.htm
7: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/articlesosama
8: http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/
9: http://911research.wtc7.net/resources/web/remote.html
10: http://standdown.net/
11: http://letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html
12: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html
13: http://www.911lies.org/cell_calls_911_faked_voice_morphing.html
14: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/framingarabs.html
15: http://www.areawtc.com/
16: http://www.rense.com/general70/tjere.htm
17: http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/evidence.htm
18: http://www.orbwar.com/ufo-photos-wtc-attack-9-11.htm (Note: To be fair, the "hologram" theory has been savagely discredited by virtually all of the Truth Movement, but it still has its stalwarts.)
19: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/energybeam.html

Disclaimer

All opinions are mine alone. All work done with my own materials and on my own time. I do not represent the JREF or any other agency. I am also not, in reality, an Evil Genius. If I was, would I show you how it should be done?
 
Mackey:

As per usual a common sense, well articulated argument to a truther fallacy. Well done.

TAM:)
 
This has always been my biggest reason for not believing in an inside job. Not because I trust the government - I actually have no difficulty believing the Bush administration to be morally capable of killing thousands of innocents to further their goals. Not because of the physical evidence, though it does overwhelmingly support the official explanation. But because an evil government conspiracy competent enough to pull faking 9-11 off would have done a better job of it. I can think of many ways September 11 could have been tweaked to better support the Bush administration's goals, and many ways it could have been done more simply or with lower risk of the conspirators being caught.
 
SO amusing, I ain't even going to complain about this one:

14. All The Engineers In the World Are Corrupt16

This is an extension of 13. If the Evil Genius has influence over all of the world's engineers, then no conspiracy is needed. Even if it was, engineers are capable of wreaking a far more sophisticated event with lower risk. Virtually any building and any device in the world could be rigged to turn on anyone at any time, if all of us are in on it.​
 
[TRUTHER MODE]
So you're not saying it's impossible it could have happened that way?
[/TRUTHER MODE]

Remember, truthers don't choose between the probable and improbable, they choose between the probable and every other possibility no matter how remote and then some.
 
Great post Mackey.

As you demontrated, the bottom line with the twoofers is that they believe the 9/11 conspirators pulled off a massive false flag op and decided to make things way more risky and complicated that necessary.

Why would they do this? No reason. They just did.

And of course the only people who see this are a bunch of paranoid lunatics who, were it not for 9/11, would be searching for Big Foot.

In addition to your points, a real evil genious would:

1) Blow up WTC7 at 10:30am - with the area covered in smoke and dust. Why wait until 5:20 pm when everyone has a clear view?

2) If Osama works for the CIA then make sure he's reading off the same script as you are! The President says the US was attacked because of its freedoms. So why is the CIA's Osama talking about Israel, sanctions on Iraq and US troops in Saudi Arabia?

3) Make sure the targets of the false flag op correspond with what you tell people afterwards. If 9/11 was all about US freedom and way of life then why attack clear symbols of US military and financial might? Why not attack some random residential areas or a football stadium? Hiting the WTC towers could even work (lots of potential civilian victims), but the Pentagon? C'mon.

4) Identify the hijackers as Afghan or Iraqi. If those are the countries you want to go after in respose to 9/11 then why blame the attack on Saudis living in the US legally? Fabricating some "Iraqi terrorists" would have saved that whole "WMD in Iraq" fiasco.

5) Stage lots of follow up attacks! If the goal is to justify constant war, keep the people in a state of fear and to impliment a police state then no real Evil Genious would stage 9/11 and then hit the American people with nothing for 5+ years. Car bombs in US streets, random shooting sprees, hostage crisis (like Beslan), planes blown up.... The possibilities are endless. The more scared and under seige the population is, the more likely they are to turn to the government to do whatever is needed to halt the attacks.

So why do twoofers believe the government does things in such complicated, illogical ways?

Simple: they MUST believe it! It's the only way their theories make any sense.
 
I thought we were dealing with an Evil Oligarchy of "European Globalists". I imagine some kind of Evil Comittee, complete with an Evil Boardroom and someone to take Evil Minutes. Presumably they drink Evil Coffee as well.
 
I thought we were dealing with an Evil Oligarchy of "European Globalists". I imagine some kind of Evil Comittee, complete with an Evil Boardroom and someone to take Evil Minutes. Presumably they drink Evil Coffee as well.
It's probably the Evil Non-Dairy Creamer that put them off their Evil Game, causing them to leave so many Evil Clues.
 
12. The Follow-Up Anthrax Attack Proves Government Involvement14
The anthrax attacks were clumsy and ineffective in the eyes of an Evil Genius. The lack of coordination is startling. Had this been part of the Conspiracy, there are several better uses:
  • Carry spores on the planes, contaminating the impact zones and making cleanup much more difficult
  • Mail spores to high-ranking government officials at the same time, not a week afterward
  • Mail spores to a broader distribution and higher profile individuals -- an out-of-date address for the National Enquirer? Are you serious?

R. Mackey, interesting post. The technique is original and quite efficient.

However, about the anthrax follow-up, it doesn't work. You are showing how details of the attacks are not the most efficient and therefore cannot be related to any government action.

But the goal was not to inflict max damage, through planes etc. Rather, the idea was to scare people like Daschle, and the media, in order to go on with the Patriot act for instance.

So the argument "they did to spread fear among the general population, politicians and media" still holds.

_________

Moreover, it all might be a lot simpler. Some people in the administration had plans, about IQ, other strategic goals as well. 9/11 was a chance to implement it all. They saw it was coming, they let it happen (even no using NORAD, actually doing almost nothing) and that's it. Not more complicated than it.

Is it impossible?

Busherie
 
R. Mackey: nominated. Well done. I'm going to refer to this as "Mackey's WWEGD post" (What Would Evil Genius Do?).

Busherie, what's that about NORAD?
 
R. Mackey, interesting post. The technique is original and quite efficient.

However, about the anthrax follow-up, it doesn't work. You are showing how details of the attacks are not the most efficient and therefore cannot be related to any government action.

But the goal was not to inflict max damage, through planes etc. Rather, the idea was to scare people like Daschle, and the media, in order to go on with the Patriot act for instance.

So the argument "they did to spread fear among the general population, politicians and media" still holds.

Or, it could be some kook with access to anthrax taking advantage of the 911 attacks to bring attention to his actions. You are stating what the goal was when you could never know that.

R. Mackey's analysis stands IMO; the anthrax attacks were ineffective and had no lasting additional impact on that day. In fact it is very seldom ever brought up. A devastating, wide-spread anthrax attack just a week later would have been huge.

Is it impossible?
IMO,The question more suited to a rational and unbiased investigator is 'is it more probable than the official account?', not 'is it impossible?'
 
Or, it could be some kook with access to anthrax taking advantage of the 911 attacks to bring attention to his actions. You are stating what the goal was when you could never know that.

R. Mackey's analysis stands IMO; the anthrax attacks were ineffective and had no lasting additional impact on that day. In fact it is very seldom ever brought up. A devastating, wide-spread anthrax attack just a week later would have been huge.

IMO,The question more suited to a rational and unbiased investigator is 'is it more probable than the official account?', not 'is it impossible?'
Yeah you've stated it clearly:

- is the official story more probable than LIHOP? Certainly not.

- given that, for instance, the P act was ready before 9/11, given the warnings, given what they used 9/11 for, it is more probable that they knew it was coming and then used it.

Remember Rumsfeld saying 9/11 was a "blessing".

So thats fondamentally where we disagree.

The theory "oh we couldn't either predict it or stop it" is very clearly a big BS, IMHO.

PS: for the anthraxt, again, the goal was not to cause wide spread damage, but rather to cause fear in order to get the P act passed.

But It could also be that crazy guy we heard about. Could he be manipulated? Remember it was the first time any chemical attack was launched on US citizens, it you don't count the numerous exercises (where the powder was NOT anthrax).
 
Mackey,

You're work never ceases to amaze me. Very nice job!

- Doc
 
(even no using NORAD, actually doing almost nothing) and that's it. Not more complicated than it.


NORAD did not do nothing. They undertook the largest single combat air patrol operation in history, they implemented a modified version of the SCATANA Plan - again, first time ever, and within 12 hours of the attack had over 300 fighter aircraft patrolling the skies above every single major US city. These combat air patrols, in reduced form, continue to be maintained to this very day as part of Operation Noble Eagle, which official commenced on September 14th, 2001.

-Gumboot
 
NORAD did not do nothing. They undertook the largest single combat air patrol operation in history, they implemented a modified version of the SCATANA Plan - again, first time ever, and within 12 hours of the attack had over 300 fighter aircraft patrolling the skies above every single major US city. These combat air patrols, in reduced form, continue to be maintained to this very day as part of Operation Noble Eagle, which official commenced on September 14th, 2001.

-Gumboot
Sorry, i wasn't clear. I wanted to say, even if if they did not stand down NORAD, just hoping it wouldnt' work anyway.

B
 

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