Ditto, ditto-head.
I can't believe the size of this 'big picture' I'm looking at here ...
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Ditto, ditto-head.
Yeah and they all clapped - where were all the 'skeptics' Hokulele?
Maybe you should get out more - hey, I can lend you a van if you like.
But there's something you've missed in your analysis Hokulele, everyone potentially, has access to that meeting, and if Rep Davis knows what is good for her, and wants to avoid her 'Macacca Moment', then she'd better take heed of which way the wind is blowing on this issue, and she knows it.
Fatal flaw in this approach big G - hypothetical scenario - final report comes in - explosives, inside job, nothing to do with arabs, nothing to do with afghanistan, nothing to do with iraq - which we already know and always did.
If the report comes in and there is evidence that contradicts the story we have been told so far, evidence that negates the need for a 'war on terror' - isn't it a bit too late now? For the oh - 3000 odd troops that have died, the 40,000 Afghans, the possible 600,000 Iraqi's according to The Lancet? (Let me just bet the 'skeptics' found a problem even with that one)
Don't you think we've made a fatal error in our approach here - acting on conclusions based on a report that hasn't even been written yet because science has not found the answers required to write it?
Why do I have to explain this problem to you?
Hokulele
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They probably clapped as it is the polite thing to do when someone finishes a speech.
Here is the interesting thing about the skepticism you have displayed on this thread. First, you suggest we question everything, then you post a video you describe as being a "full meeting hall", but you never question the accuracy of this description as it applies to the truth movement, nor do you display any skepticism as to how well it proves your point. If you are truly going to question everything, please question everything before presenting it as support of your conclusions.
Your posts are devoid/absent of facts. It would be a miracle if you knew you had no facts. It seems all truthers are not smart enough to know what a fact about 9/11 would be. I doubt even if the truthers were in charge they could find a fact.No, I'm going to laugh and deride you as you fade away into oblivion, forever stained by your association with the word 'troofer', and your support of the fascist regime that seized power in the US in a non violent coup in 2000.
There will come a time when you will deny you ever held the views you have claimed to hold on here, and sooner than you think. Sooner than we all think. I was prepared for the long haul on this issue, but to be honest things have moved along much quicker than I thought they would have and, the imminent possibility of WWIII aside, happy days are here again.
And you ask me for facts?
Show me the facts that demonstrate you are an open minded and honest skeptic - where is your list of problems with the official story?
You have none?
Then you are a nonsense, you are not a skeptic, you are a neo-skeptic, which is a polite way of calling you a lying bastard.
Yes when the going got tough and the tough got going - you got shilling.
And it didn't work.
You must have a usable mind to have the ability to think for yourself and truther post indicate truthers are not capable of rational thought on 9/11 issues because they have failed to present any facts to support their 9/11 ideas. I am still waiting for truthers to find a fact. Truthers just talk about other things and avoid bring up the facts. Why? Sad but true, truthers have no facts to support their ideas on 9/11. If truthers did we would have seen them long ago.
I will not be fading, only the liars of the 9/11 truth movement will fade as some of them actually learn how to use their brains and think for themselves. Since many truthers have decided to let someone else do their thinking, they will not be able to discuss the facts of 9/11. I understand you were not issued the facts from the 9/11 truth movement. YOu must know they have no facts.
no facts yet?
No, Hokulele, you're trying to make the whole world revolve around this forum again - it doesn't work like that. I've said it before, people aren't 'skeptical' - they're pissed off and they want a new investigation.
There are no standards of debate that they have to pass here - this is real world stuff, not JREF stuff.
Knock knock - hello?
Hokulele
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Funny, 8 minutes out of an hour and a half, and those people didn't start jumping up and down the way most pissed people do.
Look out! Jehovah's Witnesses! (Just kidding.)
Ahh the old space-beam again, your desparation knows no bounds and your script is inflexible.
Why would they need to use a space-beam when the place is rigged with explosives jimbo? Your list has conflicting, and fictional items on it - ours doesn't.
And as for all this anonymous crap - no I'm not anonymous to them, they know exactly who I am, posting here and accusing them of the murder we both know they participated in.
But why haven't they silenced me he asks?
You tell us, take the Charlie Sheen CNN poll, 84% of about 30,000 CNN viewers - why indeed didn't the US govt 'silence' them, or 'liquidate the problem' as our friends in Russia say?
Those people at the meeting - why don't they get disappeared?
Whats going to happen when people start getting pulled off the street and thrown into a van as happens in ohhh - Iraq?
How long will a game like that last in the US?
I'd like to see them try it, they still might, but its the end of everything if that starts happening.
And the end of them if it doesn't.
This is 'big picture' stuff.
Its for when you've seen the facts, drawn the conclusions, and are ready to talk about whats next.
As we wait for the truly fascist regime that the Truthers would like to see installed with purges and witch hunts galore.
Translation:
Because with my buddies Alex Jones and D R Griffin we will scour the country hunting down and stringing up every filthy JREFer we can find, so look out!
Haven't seen any yet, but feel free to present any contrary evidence you have Scooby.
Have you listed the problems with the Truther account of events? Oh right there is no coherent Truther account, so hard to pin down.
So to be a really truly true skeptic like you Scooby I guess we have to reject actual evidence and the scientific method. A really truly advanced skeptic like Scooby has no need of science or all that nerdy maths stuff, all he needs is a few kooky profs and a black Tshirt. Hooray! Lets burn down the library!
Yes when the going got tough and the tough got going - you got shilling.
And it didn't work.
Aww now you made me sad. All that shilling and not a penny to show for it. At least it has paid off for you hey Scoobs. All that Truthing has no doubt gotten you a long way in life.
Let me know if you ever get a brain installed, because then you might actually start making sense.
So, no list of problems with the official story, yet you claim to be a skeptic.
Hmmm.
There should be a name for this, its useful in this sport - there are certain lines that cannot be crossed, and they are the achilles heel of the bush truthers.
They cannot concede that there are problems with the official story - a well known fact to any normal person. This is an absolute no-no, they cannot go there and open up that can of worms. Just as they could not concede that the WTC7 collapse was announced 25 mins early by the BBC just recently.
And it won't take a sensible person 2 mins to work out what is going on when faced with another supposedly sensible person, who cannot acknowledge basic facts.
It's all over bar the shouting, which in case you've missed, is what I'm posting in the thread.
Plenty more to come.
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Because you are a fool? I can support this claim.
Ya see Scooby, NIST HAS in fact released an exhaustive study in which they conclude that the twin towers were NOT brought down by explosives, (IIRC NIST has released a similar conclusion in regards to WTC 7)
If the towers were not brought down by C.D. then what motive would anyone, and I do mean anyone have to demo WTC 7? "Cause it had sum supah sekrit filz!?!"... "faller that there money trail, bubba!" ...
Scooby, Pa-leeze. There was no reason for anyone to demolish WTC 7. I highly doubt the Islamic terrorists even thought that WTC 7 would fall as a result of their attack.
However the NYFD knew after the damage from the towers and subsequent fires that WTC 7 was unstable and at a high risk of collapse way back in 2001.
How many times do you have to hear this before it sinks in?
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally expect the NIST report on WTC7 to not mention Afghanistan or Iraq. I also expect that apart from an appendix or two, a few introductory statements and some references to papers about the twin towers that it will not mention arab terrorists at all.
I didn't need the NIST report on WTC1 and 2 to form the opinion that the invasion of Iraq was unjustified. I'm not waiting for the WTC 7 final report it to vocalize the opinion that the occupation of Iraq has been botched in nearly every possible way imaginable.
I don't need any of it at all to believe that Bush and Neo-cons have been trying to impliment their narrow-minded xenophobic christian right-wing agena and sacrificing patriotic young American lives to do so. I already had the opinion before 9/11 that Bush is the most ignorant, arrogant, nepotistic, corrupt, short-sighted, self-righteous, hypocritical, authoritarian modern American president by a huge margin.
But none of that has really anything to do with why the WTC building 7 fell after the WTC towers collapsed.
Because it's a problem that only exists in your mind?
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Ahem, that is YOUR side's script, not ours. You may not subscribe to it personally, but space beams, faked planes on videos, etc etc are all part of your side's script.
Which items? Our list contains moslem terrorists flying hichacked planes into buildings which subsequently collapse due to damage and fire (taking other buildings with them). Which items are conflicting?
And as for all this anonymous crap - no I'm not anonymous to them, they know exactly who I am, posting here and accusing them of the murder we both know they participated in.
But why haven't they silenced me he asks?
He does, and we duly note that you are unable to answer that question.
Don't be naive. Of course it would make noise now. It has been over five years, dude. None of the thousands of accomplices have squeaked. Are you suggesting that they could not easily have nipped the truther movement in the bud, if they wanted?
Big picture, or small perspective?
Yes to all. I have seen the facts and drawn the obvious conclusions, so let's talk about what's next:
When are you going to get a life?
Hans
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Why should we list our possible problems with the official story? Especially to you?? You won't agree with the list, you won't understand or accept the arguments. You can't see the details for your grand delusion.
People have, repeatedly, conceded that there are problems with the official story. They are just not problems that lead to a different overall conclusion.
We could, but would it be worth the trouble?
Maybe it was. There was a lot of confusion that day. .... So you are implying that the BBC was also an accomplice? The plot surely thickens
. Yeah, seems you have an unlimired supply of garbage.
Hans
Well as I said, there may be problems with the official story, but I haven't seen them. You seem to be under the impression that to be a skeptic means to disregard facts in favour of some politcal agenda.
Just for your info, I am a stark raving leftie Australian trade Unionist. So if I had any reason to believe Bush dunnit I'd be on your side. I believe making up fantasies about Bush as some kind of super villain only weakens real oposition to him.
This well known fact would be, what?
The BBC got something wrong during a live news broadcast, so what? You think they are infallible? You think reporters never misinterpret info? Never get confused? I can tell you have never worked in TV news.
Umm you mean like you? Didn't take me long to work out that you are far from any normal definition of reasonable.
So it's all over bar the shouting, but there is plenty more to come? Let me clue you in Scooby, it is all over bar the shouting and all the Truthers are doing is shouting the same old rubbish that was rejected ages ago by anyone who took a serious look at it.
You have not even considered the fact that you could be mistaken. You made up your mind without evidence and since then you have clung to your idiotic conclusion in the face of all the facts. That is not skepticism Scooby, that is willfull ignorance.
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What I will not accept is your desperate attempts to make everybody who does not accept your theories into war mongering murderers.
I find it highly offensive that you keep on and on about the Iraq war , the death toll of US and coalition soldiers and the innocent people as though everybody bar you is blissfully unaware of it and that everybody bar you simply supports it all.
You use Iraq; you use the unpopularity of this war and the unpopularity of the Bush administration to fuel and further your outrageous 911 conspiracy claims. It is you that uses some form of petty emotional blackmail to further what is clearly a politically driven agenda.
You call all those who do not agree with you Bush truthers in your lame and quite silly attempts to belittle normal people who see through your garbage and have this absurd notion that your merry band of truthers are the saviours of humanity. That you and you alone are the only ones who see the disasterous results of ill thought out foreign policies and that you and you alone have the right to be annoyed at it all.
Have you a solution to disaterous foreign policies and the threat of international terrorism Scooby?
What exactly will the truth movement propose to sort out the planets problems, I am curious, please enlighten me.
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Look, bottom line, I've been hearing for the past year how you guys have oh so much proof, how it must be an inside job, and yet I've yet to see a single attempt at bring these people to justice. A few marches, a bit of grandstanding at ground zero, and a whole lot of chest thumping, movie making, and blogging on the net.
My family was very involved in the civil rights movement and they have the scars to show it. Some of them went the Malcolm X route, most went the Dr. MLK route. Peaceful demonstrations and marches that they knew had a very good chance of them ending up hurt and still they marched.
If you watch enough video of Bloody Sunday you will see a very "light skinned" (White actually) woman get slammed into a wall by a fire hose, pinned to the wall, and after the hose moves on, the dogs come in. That was my Grandma. She felt she had to march, protest, get out and do something, because Virginia in 193****ing0 she married a Black man and had his children.
She and the others did this not so they could crow about their being right in pointing out a great wrongs done by the government to citizens of this country.
Not so they could rub it in the face of George Wallace, and the KKK and the others who actively and openly oppressed them.
They did it so my little high yellow ass and the collective ass of my generation would not have to live under the afore mentioned wrongs.
The vast majority of truthers risk little more than carpal tunnel.
In short, if you truly have all of this evidence and people backing your cause and you still won't do anything more that blustering on the net? You are cowards.
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And then they kept pestering her, handing her 9/11 Truth swag and lecturing her about the state of world affairs. She'll be convening a new 9/11 commission any day now.
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No one involved in the criminal, forensic, institutional, political, and structural investigations of 9/11, whether local or federal, government or non-government, believes that the destruction of WTC7 was premeditated. None of their decisions and actions post-9/11, other than recommended changes to building codes and safety requirements, relies on the results of any of the NIST reports.
The conclusion that the attacks were carried out by terrorists, and therefore the actions taken based on that conclusion, had nothing to do with NIST's reports.
Even if NIST finds evidence of explosives used to demolish WTC7, it wouldn't negate that the evidence pointing to a terrorist plot carried out by Islamic terrorists is overwhelming, and the investigation into how the explosives got there would necessarily begin by focusing on the known participants in the attack. There is no logical reason to assume that if evidence of explosives are found, that it puts the USG on the list of likely suspects.
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So, what did they say when you called them?