William Rodriguez: "I am 9/11!"

Myriad said:
"I'm Argentina, and always will be" -- Evita

"I am the law!" -- Judge Dredd, comic book version

"I am the lrgghglghnll" -- Judge Dredd, Stallone version

"I yam what I yam" -- Popeye

"I am that I am" -- Yaweh

"Oh, who is writing poetry sublime?
Iamb, Iamb, Iamb, Iamb, Iamb" -- Shakespeare (not really)

Respectfully,
Myriad
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"I am Emmitt Smith."

--Nike commercial. Or maybe some other sportswear.
 
LashL said:
In my view, Rodriguez exhibited some courage on September 11, 2001, as did hundreds and hundreds of other people. The vast majority of those who exhibited courage on September 11, 2001, however, have not made it their mission in life to try to become famous come hell or high water, for their actions on that day as Rodriguez has. Then again, the vast majority of those who exhibited courage on September 11, 2001 had not spent years of their lives prior to that day trying to garner fame, unsuccessfully, as Rodriguez had, and the vast majority of them are not about blowing their own horns for the sake of publicity, as Rodriguez is.

His actions in the past several years, however, have been self-serving, self-promoting, and anything but courageous. He has made it obvious that he will promote any and every crazy theory that is ever mentioned (see his lawsuit) for as long as he thinks there is something in it for him.

He has made it obvious that he will change his story whenever it suits him, and that he will run and hide from legitimate questions about his inconsistent accounts of events because he knows that he cannot justify or adequately explain the gross inconsistencies.

Even troofers are starting to have a problem with his blatant self-promotion, his ever-changing stories, and - more importantly from the troofer perspective - his interference with other troofers' economic interests (such as the View debacle, LTW pegging him as the source of a leak to the Post, and his stories about discussions with Charlie Sheen about a "Look At Me I'm William Rodriguez" movie rather than a LC movie, etc.)

Prediction: There will soon be a controlled demolition of the "WR is a Troofer SuperHero" meme, instigated by troofers but based upon Rodriguez' own actions. So perhaps it is more of a "self destruct by proxy" but hey, I couldn't resist the controlled demolition angle. Hmmmmm, what's the over/under on whether it is Rodriguez or the Troof Movement that "pulls it"?
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Read this again Willie.

How arrogant and self promoting of you to say that.
 
Taking a quote out of context and then running a smear campaign with it seems below this forum. While some may not agree with what Mr. Rodriguez has said or done this thread is hardly above that.
 
William_Rodriguez said:
Why don't you go there and read the thread? they are also 9/11, all those victims. You are also a sad person.
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William:

You were a hero once. Once, on a horrific day, in the midst of literally thousands of other heroes you displayed true bravery. And you could have been remembered as one of those thousands who were heroes that day - a great many who are no longer with us.

But that wasn't enough for you. You thought that you deserved more than that, after all you were a hero. And so gradually your story changes: what was once a rumble and a fireball becomes an earth-shaking explosion; you promote blatant falsehoods, such as being "...the last person out of the north tower."; you organise speaking tours where you tell everyone of your harrowing experience.

And you ally yourself with the only people who will really make you feel like a hero: The 9/11 Truth Movement. See, everyone else recognised that you were a hero, but then they got on with their lives. You could walk up to near any random person on the streets of NYC and say, "Hi, I'm William Rodriguez. I saved the lives of many people before the collapse of the north tower on 9/11," and you would probably get no more than a strange look and a, "That's nice," if you even were to get a reaction that amiable.

But the members of the 9/11 truth movement think that you're important, because for them 9/11 isn't the past, it's NOW. You were a hero on that day, and so somehow having you on their side gives them a sense of legitimacy, and a figure to use as an appeal to emotion when debates aren't going their way.

"See William Rodriguez? He's was a hero on 9/11, and he believes that it was an inside job, and that there were bombs in the basement! You aren't calling a hero a liar, are you?"

And of course the relationship is reciprocal - in return for being their emotional figurehead, you get the admiration and adoration of truthers everywhere.

But keeping the story going is tricky, isn't it? You have to do your speaking tours to earn a bit of cash, so you can't appear to be too crazy. But you also have to maintain credibility among your fans in the truth movement. Eventually you get caught in a web of contradictions that you've spun for yourself: One moment you're on the "no-fly list", the very next paragraph you're talking about the speaking engagement you have planned on a completely different continent!

Eventually it gets to the point where some factions in the truth movement start to turn on you, and when the truth movement turns on you it's nastier than when skeptics point out your falsehoods. You aren't just a liar, or mistaken to the factions of the truth movement that have turned on you, you're a full blown 'disinfo agent'...somewhat ironically on a par with those darstardly JREFers!

So now you've retreated to one of the only safe havens you have left, the Loose Change Forum and Dylan Avery, though occasionally you stop by to post short comments on the JREF Conspiracy Theory subforum. You can't really maintain too high a profile now, because you know that the paper Mark wrote about you exposes what you've really said and done...and it's just waiting on the sidelines for you to try something high profile so that it can shoot you down in flames once and for all. If you could respond to it then that might work as damage control, but of course you can't: Mark was too thorough with his research for you to exploit a weakness in the paper. So eventually you come to a point where you must realise that this is the end for you. Your fifteen minutes is up and wherever you go from here, you sure won't be remembered as a hero to anyone outside of the Loose Change forum. Such is the result of your own greed.

Yes, William, you were a hero once - but that is in the past. Now you're just a sad, greedy jackass who didn't know when his moment was up.

It's pitiful, really.
 
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3bodyproblem said:
Taking a quote out of context and then running a smear campaign with it seems below this forum. While some may not agree with what Mr. Rodriguez has said or done this thread is hardly above that.
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Well, maybe you could put THIS in context, then?


Originally Posted by William Rodriguez
Many accused me of exploting 9/11. I am 9/11!
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No one mined this out of context. And just to make it clear, he came here and repeated it.
 
Foolmewunz; said:
Well, maybe you could put THIS in context, then?
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He, and many other victims, are 9/11. As an American citizen he has the right to say what he wishes about his experience on 9/11 without being accused of exploiting it. He was exploited on that day. Without him, and many other victims there is no 9/11. I think people like Alex Jones and Dylan Avery, who are making money or becoming famous off of 9/11, and weren't directly involved are exploitative.
 
3bodyproblem said:
He, and many other victims, are 9/11. As an American citizen he has the right to say what he wishes about his experience on 9/11 without being accused of exploiting it. He was exploited on that day. Without him, and many other victims there is no 9/11. I think people like Alex Jones and Dylan Avery, who are making money or becoming famous off of 9/11, and weren't directly involved are exploitative.
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I find that statement a little bit confusing...who was exploiting him?

Regardless of what happened on 9/11, William's post-9/11 behaviour is despicable. The fact that he uses his position as a 'hero' to exploit 9/11 is, to me, nearly as bad as Dylan Avery. Depending on my mood that day, I might find him slightly less repulsive, slightly more repulsive, or on par with Dylan Avery - he is always in the same ballpark though.
 
If you look back at this thread no one has assumed any impartiality in condemning this man for his actions. Everyone has seen fit to find him guilty and proceed with that assumption. The accusations that have been made as a result of this border on slander. These are very serious accusations are they not? What happened to due process?
I'm not going to sit here and defend Mr. Rodriguez's actions, but I will defend his right to be treated fairly. Why not give him the opportunity to present his side of the story, and in the process possibly be shown the error in his ways?
 
Mobyseven said:
William:

You were a hero once. Once, on a horrific day, in the midst of literally thousands of other heroes you displayed true bravery. And you could have been remembered as one of those thousands who were heroes that day - a great many who are no longer with us.

But that wasn't enough for you. You thought that you deserved more than that, after all you were a hero. And so gradually your story changes: what was once a rumble and a fireball becomes an earth-shaking explosion; you promote blatant falsehoods, such as being "...the last person out of the north tower."; you organise speaking tours where you tell everyone of your harrowing experience.

And you ally yourself with the only people who will really make you feel like a hero: The 9/11 Truth Movement. See, everyone else recognised that you were a hero, but then they got on with their lives. You could walk up to near any random person on the streets of NYC and say, "Hi, I'm William Rodriguez. I saved the lives of many people before the collapse of the north tower on 9/11," and you would probably get no more than a strange look and a, "That's nice," if you even were to get a reaction that amiable.

But the members of the 9/11 truth movement think that you're important, because for them 9/11 isn't the past, it's NOW. You were a hero on that day, and so somehow having you on their side gives them a sense of legitimacy, and a figure to use as an appeal to emotion when debates aren't going their way.

"See William Rodriguez? He's was a hero on 9/11, and he believes that it was an inside job, and that there were bombs in the basement! You aren't calling a hero a liar, are you?"

And of course the relationship is reciprocal - in return for being their emotional figurehead, you get the admiration and adoration of truthers everywhere.

But keeping the story going is tricky, isn't it? You have to do your speaking tours to earn a bit of cash, so you can't appear to be too crazy. But you also have to maintain credibility among your fans in the truth movement. Eventually you get caught in a web of contradictions that you've spun for yourself: One moment you're on the "no-fly list", the very next paragraph you're talking about the speaking engagement you have planned on a completely different continent!

Eventually it gets to the point where some factions in the truth movement start to turn on you, and when the truth movement turns on you it's nastier than when skeptics point out your falsehoods. You aren't just a liar, or mistaken to the factions of the truth movement that have turned on you, you're a full blown 'disinfo agent'...somewhat ironically on a par with those darstardly JREFers!

So now you've retreated to one of the only safe havens you have left, the Loose Change Forum and Dylan Avery, though occasionally you stop by to post short comments on the JREF Conspiracy Theory subforum. You can't really maintain too high a profile now, because you know that the paper Mark wrote about you exposes what you've really said and done...and it's just waiting on the sidelines for you to try something high profile so that it can shoot you down in flames once and for all. If you could respond to it then that might work as damage control, but of course you can't: Mark was too thorough with his research for you to exploit a weakness in the paper. So eventually you come to a point where you must realise that this is the end for you. Your fifteen minutes is up and wherever you go from here, you sure won't be remembered as a hero to anyone outside of the Loose Change forum. Such is the result of your own greed.

Yes, William, you were a hero once - but that is in the past. Now you're just a sad, greedy jackass who didn't know when his moment was up.

It's pitiful, really.
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Nominated. I was planning to write a similar reply to Mr. Rodriguez, but frankly I can't imagine it would have turned out anywhere near this well. Sums up the situation perfectly (and matches my feelings exactly).
 
Mobyseven said:
I find that statement a little bit confusing...who was exploiting him?

Regardless of what happened on 9/11, William's post-9/11 behaviour is despicable. The fact that he uses his position as a 'hero' to exploit 9/11 is, to me, nearly as bad as Dylan Avery. Depending on my mood that day, I might find him slightly less repulsive, slightly more repulsive, or on par with Dylan Avery - he is always in the same ballpark though.
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(Yes, it is a little confusing. I'm not sure what I wanted to say exactly)

Weren't the victims the ones exploited on 9/11?
 
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