Mineta testimony

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I assume I don't have to explain the testimony to you. I am curious is he lying, or is one of Cheney's several stories in error. Do you agree it didn't belong in the 9-11 commision final report. I mean in the name of consistency it certainly didn't belong in the commision report since nothing else that did'nt fit the official explanation did not make it either
 
Non Believer said:
I assume I don't have to explain the testimony to you. I am curious is he lying, or is one of Cheney's several stories in error. Do you agree it didn't belong in the 9-11 commision final report. I mean in the name of consistency it certainly didn't belong in the commision report since nothing else that did'nt fit the official explanation did not make it either
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I do question Mineta's time line. He claims that at 9:20AM, Bush was already in Air Force One heading to Louisiana. However, Bush didn't leave until 9:55. Could Mineta be off by an hour?
 
You know the part where he is in the bunker with Shooter at 9.25 and a kid is coming in with reports that the plane is 50 miles out, 40 miles out, etc, and asks your hero do the orders still stand.
 
The only thing that can be said with any certainty about Norman Mineta's testimony is that his times are wrong, and the flight in question isn't AA77.

-Gumboot
 
name calling will only get you suspended from this forum, and you wouldnt want that now would you?

TAM:)
 
gumboot said:
The only thing that can be said with any certainty about Norman Mineta's testimony is that his times are wrong, and the flight in question isn't AA77.

-Gumboot
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Most likely it was Flight 93.
(Between 10:10-10:15 a.m.): Cheney, Told That Flight 93 Is Still Heading to Washington, Orders It Shot Down The Secret Service, viewing projected path information about Flight 93, rather than actual radar returns, does not realize that Flight 93 has already crashed. Based on this erroneous information, a military aide tells Vice President Cheney and others in the White House bunker that the plane is 80 miles away from Washington. Cheney is asked for authority to engage the plane, and he quickly provides authorization. The aide returns a few minutes later and says the plane is 60 miles out. Cheney again gives authorization to engage.
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So, non believer, how do you account for the Mineta's time line discrepancy?
 
Non Believer said:
nothing else that did'nt fit the official explanation did not make it either
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You are hereby awarded the coveted Triple Negative award.

Congratulations, and use your powers wisely.





Note, in the event of no triple negatives being awarded, the prize will go to the best double negative that also begins with the word 'nothing'.
 
Non Believer said:
I assume I don't have to explain the testimony to you. I am curious is he lying, or is one of Cheney's several stories in error. Do you agree it didn't belong in the 9-11 commision final report. I mean in the name of consistency it certainly didn't belong in the commision report since nothing else that did'nt fit the official explanation did not make it either
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Non Believer said:
Jocce I am not going to answer the same question 20 times
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but you expect others to answer your's :rolleyes:


Serious questions.
Do you care about the truth?
If so, why do you get all of your information from CT sites?
Why haven't you spent time researching non CT sites?
Why haven't you searched this site for answers to your questions?
 
Non Believer said:
I assume I don't have to explain the testimony to you. I am curious is he lying, or is one of Cheney's several stories in error. Do you agree it didn't belong in the 9-11 commision final report. I mean in the name of consistency it certainly didn't belong in the commision report since nothing else that did'nt fit the official explanation did not make it either
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False dichotomy.
There is also the potential (and likelihood) that Mr. Mineta was simply mistaken about his time call-outs. You've never made a mistake about the time, never been late (or early) to an appointment?
 
Non Believer said:
You know the part where he is in the bunker with Shooter at 9.25 and a kid is coming in with reports that the plane is 50 miles out, 40 miles out, etc, and asks your hero do the orders still stand.
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NB, how does "the plane is 50 miles out, 40 miles out, etc," square with your belief that the flights were not tracked because the transponders were off?
 
Non Believer said:
I assume I don't have to explain the testimony to you. I am curious is he lying, or is one of Cheney's several stories in error. Do you agree it didn't belong in the 9-11 commision final report. I mean in the name of consistency it certainly didn't belong in the commision report since nothing else that did'nt fit the official explanation did not make it either
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Or, gee whiz, maybe Mineta is, well, merely mistaken in his time line? Discussed in detail here, and here and Ed only knows how many other times.
 
Non Believer said:
I assume I don't have to explain the testimony to you. I am curious is he lying, or is one of Cheney's several stories in error. Do you agree it didn't belong in the 9-11 commision final report. I mean in the name of consistency it certainly didn't belong in the commision report since nothing else that did'nt fit the official explanation did not make it either
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Let me ask you a question. Is that ok. Why do you not use question marks. It is really annoying and asinine isn't it. Look, it's getting even more annoying isn't it. Why do you keep doing it. I sound like a headcase dont I. Will you use question marks in future.
 
Metullus -It is so simple anybody, or anything that doesn't follow your story is simply mistaken. At least Mineta did not contradict himself as Cheney did, Also his timeline is supported by Clarke's testimony as well.
 
Non Believer said:
Metullus -It is so simple anybody, or anything that doesn't follow your story is simply mistaken. At least Mineta did not contradict himself as Cheney did, Also his timeline is supported by Clarke's testimony as well.
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Please provide a specific example of VP Cheney contradicting himself.

Please provide a specific example of Clarke's testimony corroborating Mineta's testimony.
 
Non Believer said:
Hey, undesired/walrus9 if por 'puncuation-bothers-yop. I'll make more just for you
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Well, it makes your posts harder to read. It sends a message that you don't care enough about your own writing to clean it up, so why should anyone else bother reading it?
 
Non Believer said:
Metullus -It is so simple anybody, or anything that doesn't follow your story is simply mistaken. At least Mineta did not contradict himself as Cheney did, Also his timeline is supported by Clarke's testimony as well.
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NB what were you doing 3 months ago at six o’clock on the 21st March? Can you tell me exactly what you did between six and seven o clock in the evening?

If there was a cover up do you not think that all those involved in it would make sure they got their stories exactly right and their times exactly perfect, espically when they presented their testimony? Or is it all possible that the reason they don't quite agree with each other is because they have told their story as best they could remember without consulting with each other?

Is it vaguely possible that unlike yourself who can recount every second of every day, that people simply make mistakes when asked to recall exactly what they were doing and when,on probably the most confusing day of their lifes?
 
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When did Cheney contradict himself?

ETA: Serious question BTW, I haven't seen where he has. (At least not about his actions 9/11)
 
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Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Please provide a specific example of VP Cheney contradicting himself.

Please provide a specific example of Clarke's testimony corroborating Mineta's testimony.
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Clarke's another person on 9/11 who has a really terrible timeline of events. He claims to have been talking to Richard Meyers on a video conference when Meyers was at Capitol Hill meeting with Senators.

-Gumboot
 
Non Believer said:
Metullus -It is so simple anybody, or anything that doesn't follow your story is simply mistaken. At least Mineta did not contradict himself as Cheney did, Also his timeline is supported by Clarke's testimony as well.
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My story? What, pray tell, is "my story"? I have no story - I just follow the evidence. And you have provided none.

Why don't you read this thread wherein this has all been discussed ad nauseum. Then we can talk about whether or not Mineta's testimony was consistent with known facts.
 
stateofgrace said:
NB what were you doing 3 months ago at six o’clock on the 21st March? Can you tell me exactly what you did between six and seven o clock in the evening?
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Insufficient. We need a minut3e-by-minute breakdown of all events occurring during that time period. Any uncertainty means he is lying.
stateofgrace said:
If there was a cover up do you not think that all those involved in it would make sure they got their stories exactly right and their times exactly perfect, espically when they presented their testimony? Or is it all possible that the reason they don't quite agree with each other is because they have told their story as best they could remember without consulting with each other?

Is it vaguely possible that unlike yourself who can recount every second of every day, that people simply make mistakes when asked to recall exactly what they were doing and when,on probably the most confusing day of their lifes?
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Yes, Cheney has said to the press on at least two occasions that he he got the bunker shortly before a plane hit the pentagon. Rice also stated that she was told to go to the bunker by Secret Service shortly after the second plane hit the towers, and that Cheney was already there. Mineta and Clarke stories match that they met at Clarke's video conference at around 9.15, and that Mineta went to the bunker after that.

As for the idea it was 93, you can't be serious.
 
Non Believer said:
Yes, Cheney has said to the press on at least two occasions that he he got the bunker shortly before a plane hit the pentagon.
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I'm not saying Cheney is always right, but I don't believe you either. Can you provide cites of him saying this?

The reason I ask is that you've been giving malcolm kirkman a race to see who can be wrong the most. Since he's now on vacation, you might just catch up.
 
Cheney's statements were made on meet the press, Sept 16 2001, and then on CNN ayear later. Thats nice you think I am wrong, how about proving something?
 
Non Believer said:
Cheney's statements were made on meet the press, Sept 16 2001, and then on CNN ayear later. Thats nice you think I am wrong, how about proving something?
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that's nice. I happen to think Cheney's a moron.

Anyhoo, perhaps you could read the threads on this forum considering Mineta's testimony. That subject was done to death, and it may prevent you from being one in a huge line of so-called truth seekers coming on the board with his latest smoking gun without realizing that not only have many folks here studied his testimony extensively, but have talked about it a lot on this very forum.

Otherwise our exasperation at yet ANOTHER person who hasn't done his homework and arrogantly implies we're all mindless drones who only believe what the government tells us will be interpreted as impoliteness.
 
Well if you say previous threads have taken care of this, you must be able to summarize it. So far your evidence is Mineta must be wrong. Very convincing
 
I got to say after watching the response from you guys on this, I have to say this is one of 9-11 truths strongest issues. Lets face it you hav had NOTHING, Either Norman Mineta is an absolute liar, or this account is correct. You have made no rationale to suggest how he could have been slightly confused. Not to mention the statements that contradict Cheney's supposed arrival at the bunker. As to somebody's comment that how could they be tracking the plane if they had lost it on primary radr, I never said I believe the official story. I simply try to show how it does not make sense
 
No I gave you a third option. That he could be slightly mistaken, and offered you all a chance to give an explanation of how that work. None of you did. So quit taking s--- out of context, so you can play your little false fallacy games. To claim a false dichotomy, you need another option that makes sense. Please present one
 
Non Believer said:
No I gave you a third option. That he could be slightly mistaken, and offered you all a chance to give an explanation of how that work.
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Bollocks. You explicitly stated, " Either Norman Mineta is an absolute liar, or this account is correct"

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None of you did. So quit taking s--- out of context, so you can play your little false fallacy games. To claim a false dichotomy, you need another option that makes sense. Please present one
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Why, if his account is incorrect, must he be lying? That is to say, why can his account not be wrong through human error?
 
Pardalis said:
False dilemma fallacy.

Beat you to it Arkan. :p
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When I read NB's post, I quickly scanned to the bottom of the page to see if Arkan had posted yet. I thought yea, he hadn't, so I'd get to point out the particular logical fallacy involved. But it was not to be.

By the way, I think the forum mods should change Arkan's forum title from "Philosopher" to "Fallacy Police."
 
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