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Old 28th September 2007, 08:00 AM   #1
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[Merged]Backslider, 9/11 Truth UAlbany?

Found this while lurking in the skeptics area of LCF. Apparently he had a revelation while researching 9/11 information on a site other than a truther site.

Wonder how that happens?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...howtopic=16490

His blog:

http://extruther.blogspot.com/

Edited by chillzero:  Note: This link contains profanity and images of dead bodies - NSFW

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Old 28th September 2007, 08:09 AM   #2
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Wow. It appears the MIB got a hold of that one.

He's obviously just afraid of losing his job...
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:12 AM   #3
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Cool. I'm originally from Albany, and took some classes at SUNY Albany during the summers away from my real school. It's good to hear this blight will finally be gone!

I blame the NWO for the Denny's on Western Ave closing!
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:19 AM   #4
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His MySpace page is linked from the comments page of the item before last on the SLC blog.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=31946889

There are blog entries on there going back before his change of heart. I hope he comes over here some time, I'm sure he'd be very welcome. And I hope, as R. Mackey suggested, that he finds a cause worth believing in, because he comes across as committed and motivated; he deserves better than the truth movement.

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Old 28th September 2007, 08:21 AM   #5
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It's amazing to me that someone with such a sharp grasp of the situation ever fell for it in the first place. His analysis of the meta-issues regarding truth movements motives, techniques, and psychology was beyond accurate.

That was a very well executed summary of a whole litany of issues in the truth movement.
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:26 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Bj÷rn Toulouse View Post
Wonder how that happens?
From the way he explains it, it's pretty typical. It's not very different from what changed my mind. When the whole thing is inspected without the rhetoric and hyperbole of the CT preachers, and when personal distaste for government is not biasing your conclusions, the CTs tend to lose their steam and begin to seem like paranoia.
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:27 AM   #7
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Somehow I think that thread will disappear...
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:31 AM   #8
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Wow, that just restored my faith in humanity. For a little while at least, then I will get stupid and listen to Alex Jones or something...
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:32 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by GordonLiu
Ya' know what man, I am almost there with you. Lately I have really been questioning this movement and the personalities involved.

Judging by yesterdays' "Why the truth movement isnt taken seriously" thread being deleted I am assuming this one will bite the dust too.
Amazing! Those who are yelling "wake up!" are coming out of their slumber!

Anyone have a cache of that thread this guy is talking about?
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:33 AM   #10
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Somehow I think that thread will disappear...
It was already moved to the skeptics section by an admin, their own little private Gulag Archipelago.
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:38 AM   #11
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Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available.
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:41 AM   #12
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It was already moved to the skeptics section by an admin, their own little private Gulag Archipelago.


You missed the best part:


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moved to the skeptic's section... for now.

Bolded for effect. Why do I get an ominous, "ve haff vays of making you talk" vibe off this?
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:41 AM   #13
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This story has made my day!

Kudos to Markyx, the Doc, and Mike W, who all had major roles to play in the deprogramming of this former cult member! And especially to MikeyMetz, who's shown himself to be a real truth-seeker.

ETA: And as pointed out down below, to Gravy for his guide to LC as well!
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Screenshots, at least of the orignal post, probably wouldn't go amiss.
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:47 AM   #15
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It's like Lucas' "JREF moles" only in reverse!
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UAlbany is where I hope to be getting my bachelor's degree once I'm done with community college. Glad to see he came to his senses.
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Old 28th September 2007, 08:56 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by GreNME View Post
From the way he explains it, it's pretty typical. It's not very different from what changed my mind. When the whole thing is inspected without the rhetoric and hyperbole of the CT preachers, and when personal distaste for government is not biasing your conclusions, the CTs tend to lose their steam and begin to seem like paranoia.
Typical surely although most in the truth movement would never admit it they ALL have seen this happen over and over again. The biggest problem (besides their trumped up question/evidence) is their lies and half truths. You can add another ex LIHOP believer to leaving because of those very reasons. Oh, their infighting and calling each other disinfo AND their closet anti-semitism sure didn't hurt my decision.
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Old 28th September 2007, 09:08 AM   #19
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Typical surely although most in the truth movement would never admit it they ALL have seen this happen over and over again. The biggest problem (besides their trumped up question/evidence) is their lies and half truths. You can add another ex LIHOP believer to leaving because of those very reasons. Oh, their infighting and calling each other disinfo AND their closet anti-semitism sure didn't hurt my decision.
The biggest problem I see with the TM is that it engages in the same intellectual dishonesty it (sometimes accurately) blames the government of doing. It loses credibility, and then intentionally disregards dissenting information. I wasn't aware of the vast in-fighting within the TM as has been showcased in places like this forum when talking about the CT-ers.

Yeah, the barely-couched anti-semitism and various attempts at creating a "Unified Conspiracy Theory" were huge contributors in driving me away from ever being active with them.
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The biggest problem I see with the TM is that it engages in the same intellectual dishonesty it (sometimes accurately) blames the government of doing. It loses credibility, and then intentionally disregards dissenting information. I wasn't aware of the vast in-fighting within the TM as has been showcased in places like this forum when talking about the CT-ers.

Yeah, the barely-couched anti-semitism and various attempts at creating a "Unified Conspiracy Theory" were huge contributors in driving me away from ever being active with them.
Big problem I see with their anti-semitism is that while I will say they are not all anti-semites as long as they "protect" the anti-semites the MSM will continue to call them anti-semites and they really have no cause to complain since they allow anti-semitism to go unpunished and on some sites like the myspace truth group they actually encouraged it (in the past, HX finally locked his group). Although some sites actually prohibit discussion apparently it is a lipservice decree and is totally ignored by the resident anti-semites. Actually it is better they stay where they are and don't pollute Jref with their bs.
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This story has made my day!

Kudos to Markyx, the Doc, and Mike W, who all had major roles to play in the deprogramming of this former cult member! And especially to MikeyMetz, who's shown himself to be a real truth-seeker.
id include gravy in that list, a lot of the info in Markyx's SLC video seems to come from Gravys LC Guide (not to take away any of Marky's well-earned kudos, just adding some for Gravy )
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id include gravy in that list, a lot of the info in Markyx's SLC video seems to come from Gravys LC Guide (not to take away any of Marky's well-earned kudos, just adding some for Gravy )
I thought SLC was first. Well it doesn't much matter anyway
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Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites!
I think he hit the nail on the head with that one. Whenever I see a twoofer writing about the 'research' he's done, it's just about always soon evident that all of this was done on-line.
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Selom FERJ?
Well it does sound Hebrew, and since they all think the "jews" are in on it...makes sense...

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I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented.

Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts
SLC shoots and scores! It was nice to see proof positive that Pat's and James' efforts at the SLC blog, along with so many others' hard work, have had a profound effect on an ex-troother.
I would venture to bet that a true sceptic might be in the making.

ETA: To right an omission...I forgot to cite Markyx for his great work on the Screw Loose Change video, and only mentioned James and Pat, the blog moderators and contributors.
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Old 28th September 2007, 04:34 PM   #26
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From the blog entry:


SLC shoots and scores! It was nice to see proof positive that Pat's and James' efforts at the SLC blog, along with so many others' hard work, have had a profound effect on an ex-troother.
I would venture to bet that a true sceptic might be in the making.
He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake?
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Originally Posted by ~enigma~ View Post
He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake?
CIA plants. Isn't it obvious?
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He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake?
Sorry I didn't clarify what I meant by giving credit to the SLC Blog. By no means did I mean to slight Markyx or The Doc.
What caught my interest was what he said in the second paragraph of the quote, about delving into debunking and citing SLC Blogspot as one of his favorite blogs.
As for the University of Albany truth group, I don't know much about that specific group, but it seems fairly clear that if other members of the group want to continue to follow the teachings of Alex Jones, or promote Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas as celebrities within the movement, MikeyMetz won't be out shouting "inside job" with the rest of them.
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CIA plants. Isn't it obvious?
CIA in Albany? Now don't be ridiculous.
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Somehow I think that thread will disappear...


He's "gone" now in LCF lingo, and the thread is closed.
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Good for him, but there were two little words which were conspicuously absent from his "resignation" letter...

I'm sorry.

For how long did he perpetuate the truther evil before he finally decided to get around to doing his homework? Something he obviously should have done long before he picked up a bullhorn and started hurling accusations. Sheer intellectual laziness.

Rather than trying to undo some of the damage he's done, he now wants to turn in his truther secret decoder ring, and just move on to other subjects, like exposing local government corruption?

Hey, pal... clean up your mess.
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I wonder what his "past accomplishments" were. Handing out pamphlets?
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What they did at ground zero on the anniversary is so shameful. I really think these guys should be given no better treatment than holocaust deniers.

I confronted one in new york who was making a scene near city hall park. Of course the thing he said "This is America... you have to respect my right to speak out for the truth."

I told him that "I respect your right to an opinion. I do not however respect that opinion. I do not respect you at all." Of course then came the "You're brainwashed by the government."

Sure...
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I whole heartedly hope he is sincere in his abandonment of the truther lies, but a hard lesson was learned with PDoh's "repentance" that was later withdrawn after he gloated about duping all of us (at least some of us). If he is sincere he will soon enough prove it, if not, he will soon enough prove that as well.

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For how long did he perpetuate the truther evil before he finally decided to get around to doing his homework? Something he obviously should have done long before he picked up a bullhorn and started hurling accusations. Sheer intellectual laziness.
I think this is unduly harsh. We all have to learn sometime.

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Rather than trying to undo some of the damage he's done, he now wants to turn in his truther secret decoder ring, and just move on to other subjects, like exposing local government corruption?

Hey, pal... clean up your mess.
Well he is trying to do something, which is why you're attacking him rather than all the ex-truthers who've just kept their mouths shut.
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I think this is unduly harsh. We all have to learn sometime.

Well he is trying to do something, which is why you're attacking him rather than all the ex-truthers who've just kept their mouths shut.
Good point. If you want to attack someone about the "truth" BS, go for the ones who are still truthers. The ex-truthers are at least not causing problems now. You can't really change the past.
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If this were a real truth movement, why not shed light on the aspects of this theory that have been debunked? Why yell “9/11 was an inside job!” if you’re “just asking questions?” Why not address the 4.6% MIHOPer statistic from the latest poll and try to work on bringing the number up?
This may turn out to be a good blog... He even mentioned that he quit smoking pot before quitting the truther movement.

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Truthers will readily admit now that Loose Change is garbage, and instead point you to other documentaries. Even the Loose Change guys admit this by totally retracting “facts” such as their airphones from their latest edition of the “truth.” Now, this is a raw number, but I’d say 3/4ths of truthers became truthers because of Loose Change, specifically. Believing all the hype in controlled demolition and CIA phone calls from the planes caused them to take action. But now these claims have been thoroughly debunked, what do they do? They find “new” evidence as to why they should keep fighting.
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Oh yeah and Gravy got props:

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Thanks for posting this, Mike. As was said above, it takes courage to say "I was fooled." You're an honorable guy.

I've had over a hundred people email me thanking me for making information available that helped them examine the 9/11 truth movement's claims. At the JREF forum where I post, several debunkers are former 9/11 conspiracy believers. I think you'll find that there's a lot more rationality and research on this "side of the fence."

Keep thinking for yourself.”
Thank you, Mark. I apologize for not giving you the proper thanks you deserve for my change in thinking. Your debate with Alex Jones at Ground Zero on 9/11/06 was very eye opening in exposing Jones for the fraud he is. He could not answer your questions, and only responded with very childlike responses, such as yelling out “strawman,” incorrectly might I add, and accusing you of being a govt. agent.
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There wouldn't happen to be a video, sound, or transcript recording of that debate, would there?
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The Alex Jones bit with Gravy? I believe I saw that in Abby Scott's Conspiracy Wars, or perhaps one of the other videos she was part of.

Here's the link to Conspiracy Wars, at least:

http://abbyscott.blogspot.com/2006/0...ars-movie.html
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