[Merged]Backslider, 9/11 Truth UAlbany?

Athyrio · 28th September 2007, 08:00 AM

Found this while lurking in the skeptics area of LCF. Apparently he had a revelation while researching 9/11 information on a site other than a truther site.

Wonder how that happens?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...howtopic=16490

His blog:

http://extruther.blogspot.com/

Edited by chillzero:

Note: This link contains profanity and images of dead bodies - NSFW

twinstead · 28th September 2007, 08:09 AM

Wow. It appears the MIB got a hold of that one.

He's obviously just afraid of losing his job...

SpaceMonkeyZero · 28th September 2007, 08:12 AM

Cool. I'm originally from Albany, and took some classes at SUNY Albany during the summers away from my real school. It's good to hear this blight will finally be gone!

I blame the NWO for the Denny's on Western Ave closing!

Dave Rogers · 28th September 2007, 08:19 AM

His MySpace page is linked from the comments page of the item before last on the SLC blog.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=31946889

There are blog entries on there going back before his change of heart. I hope he comes over here some time, I'm sure he'd be very welcome. And I hope, as R. Mackey suggested, that he finds a cause worth believing in, because he comes across as committed and motivated; he deserves better than the truth movement.

Dave

Anti-sophist · 28th September 2007, 08:21 AM

It's amazing to me that someone with such a sharp grasp of the situation ever fell for it in the first place. His analysis of the meta-issues regarding truth movements motives, techniques, and psychology was beyond accurate.

That was a very well executed summary of a whole litany of issues in the truth movement.

GreNME · 28th September 2007, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Björn Toulouse

Wonder how that happens?

From the way he explains it, it's pretty typical. It's not very different from what changed my mind. When the whole thing is inspected without the rhetoric and hyperbole of the CT preachers, and when personal distaste for government is not biasing your conclusions, the CTs tend to lose their steam and begin to seem like paranoia.

WildCat · 28th September 2007, 08:27 AM

Somehow I think that thread will disappear...

JamesB · 28th September 2007, 08:31 AM

Wow, that just restored my faith in humanity. For a little while at least, then I will get stupid and listen to Alex Jones or something...

SpaceMonkeyZero · 28th September 2007, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by GordonLiu

Ya' know what man, I am almost there with you. Lately I have really been questioning this movement and the personalities involved.

Judging by yesterdays' "Why the truth movement isnt taken seriously" thread being deleted I am assuming this one will bite the dust too.

Amazing! Those who are yelling "wake up!" are coming out of their slumber!

Anyone have a cache of that thread this guy is talking about?

JamesB · 28th September 2007, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Somehow I think that thread will disappear...

It was already moved to the skeptics section by an admin, their own little private Gulag Archipelago.

Pardalis · 28th September 2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available.

Perfect.

Horatius · 28th September 2007, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by JamesB

It was already moved to the skeptics section by an admin, their own little private Gulag Archipelago.

You missed the best part:

Quote:

moved to the skeptic's section... for now.

Bolded for effect. Why do I get an ominous, "ve haff vays of making you talk" vibe off this?

Brainster · 28th September 2007, 08:41 AM

This story has made my day!

Kudos to Markyx, the Doc, and Mike W, who all had major roles to play in the deprogramming of this former cult member! And especially to MikeyMetz, who's shown himself to be a real truth-seeker.

ETA: And as pointed out down below, to Gravy for his guide to LC as well!

Tbone · 28th September 2007, 08:45 AM

Screenshots, at least of the orignal post, probably wouldn't go amiss.

Viper Daimao · 28th September 2007, 08:47 AM

It's like Lucas' "JREF moles" only in reverse!

Pardalis · 28th September 2007, 08:50 AM

Selom FERJ?

Juustin · 28th September 2007, 08:51 AM

UAlbany is where I hope to be getting my bachelor's degree once I'm done with community college. Glad to see he came to his senses.

~enigma~ · 28th September 2007, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by GreNME

From the way he explains it, it's pretty typical. It's not very different from what changed my mind. When the whole thing is inspected without the rhetoric and hyperbole of the CT preachers, and when personal distaste for government is not biasing your conclusions, the CTs tend to lose their steam and begin to seem like paranoia.

Typical surely although most in the truth movement would never admit it they ALL have seen this happen over and over again. The biggest problem (besides their trumped up question/evidence) is their lies and half truths. You can add another ex LIHOP believer to leaving because of those very reasons. Oh, their infighting and calling each other disinfo AND their closet anti-semitism sure didn't hurt my decision.

GreNME · 28th September 2007, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Typical surely although most in the truth movement would never admit it they ALL have seen this happen over and over again. The biggest problem (besides their trumped up question/evidence) is their lies and half truths. You can add another ex LIHOP believer to leaving because of those very reasons. Oh, their infighting and calling each other disinfo AND their closet anti-semitism sure didn't hurt my decision.

The biggest problem I see with the TM is that it engages in the same intellectual dishonesty it (sometimes accurately) blames the government of doing. It loses credibility, and then intentionally disregards dissenting information. I wasn't aware of the vast in-fighting within the TM as has been showcased in places like this forum when talking about the CT-ers.

Yeah, the barely-couched anti-semitism and various attempts at creating a "Unified Conspiracy Theory" were huge contributors in driving me away from ever being active with them.

~enigma~ · 28th September 2007, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by GreNME

The biggest problem I see with the TM is that it engages in the same intellectual dishonesty it (sometimes accurately) blames the government of doing. It loses credibility, and then intentionally disregards dissenting information. I wasn't aware of the vast in-fighting within the TM as has been showcased in places like this forum when talking about the CT-ers.

Yeah, the barely-couched anti-semitism and various attempts at creating a "Unified Conspiracy Theory" were huge contributors in driving me away from ever being active with them.

Big problem I see with their anti-semitism is that while I will say they are not all anti-semites as long as they "protect" the anti-semites the MSM will continue to call them anti-semites and they really have no cause to complain since they allow anti-semitism to go unpunished and on some sites like the myspace truth group they actually encouraged it (in the past, HX finally locked his group). Although some sites actually prohibit discussion apparently it is a lipservice decree and is totally ignored by the resident anti-semites. Actually it is better they stay where they are and don't pollute Jref with their bs.

defaultdotxbe · 28th September 2007, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

This story has made my day!

Kudos to Markyx, the Doc, and Mike W, who all had major roles to play in the deprogramming of this former cult member! And especially to MikeyMetz, who's shown himself to be a real truth-seeker.

id include gravy in that list, a lot of the info in Markyx's SLC video seems to come from Gravys LC Guide (not to take away any of Marky's well-earned kudos, just adding some for Gravy

)

~enigma~ · 28th September 2007, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

id include gravy in that list, a lot of the info in Markyx's SLC video seems to come from Gravys LC Guide (not to take away any of Marky's well-earned kudos, just adding some for Gravy

)

I thought SLC was first. Well it doesn't much matter anyway

timhau · 28th September 2007, 10:46 AM

From that blog:

Quote:

Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites!

I think he hit the nail on the head with that one. Whenever I see a twoofer writing about the 'research' he's done, it's just about always soon evident that all of this was done on-line.

T.A.M. · 28th September 2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Selom FERJ?

Well it does sound Hebrew, and since they all think the "jews" are in on it...makes sense...

TAM

OldTigerCub · 28th September 2007, 04:15 PM

From the blog entry:

Quote:

I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented.

Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts

SLC shoots and scores! It was nice to see proof positive that Pat's and James' efforts at the SLC blog, along with so many others' hard work, have had a profound effect on an ex-troother.
I would venture to bet that a true sceptic might be in the making.

ETA: To right an omission...I forgot to cite Markyx for his great work on the Screw Loose Change video, and only mentioned James and Pat, the blog moderators and contributors.

~enigma~ · 28th September 2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by OldTigerCub

From the blog entry:

SLC shoots and scores! It was nice to see proof positive that Pat's and James' efforts at the SLC blog, along with so many others' hard work, have had a profound effect on an ex-troother.
I would venture to bet that a true sceptic might be in the making.

He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake?

Slayhamlet · 28th September 2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake?

CIA plants. Isn't it obvious?

OldTigerCub · 28th September 2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake?

Sorry I didn't clarify what I meant by giving credit to the SLC Blog. By no means did I mean to slight Markyx or The Doc.
What caught my interest was what he said in the second paragraph of the quote, about delving into debunking and citing SLC Blogspot as one of his favorite blogs.
As for the University of Albany truth group, I don't know much about that specific group, but it seems fairly clear that if other members of the group want to continue to follow the teachings of Alex Jones, or promote Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas as celebrities within the movement, MikeyMetz won't be out shouting "inside job" with the rest of them.

~enigma~ · 28th September 2007, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Slayhamlet

CIA plants. Isn't it obvious?

CIA in Albany? Now don't be ridiculous.

Athyrio · 28th September 2007, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Somehow I think that thread will disappear...

He's "gone" now in LCF lingo, and the thread is closed.

Psiload · 28th September 2007, 06:10 PM

Good for him, but there were two little words which were conspicuously absent from his "resignation" letter...

I'm sorry.

For how long did he perpetuate the truther evil before he finally decided to get around to doing his homework? Something he obviously should have done long before he picked up a bullhorn and started hurling accusations. Sheer intellectual laziness.

Rather than trying to undo some of the damage he's done, he now wants to turn in his truther secret decoder ring, and just move on to other subjects, like exposing local government corruption?

Hey, pal... clean up your mess.

CptColumbo · 28th September 2007, 06:14 PM

I wonder what his "past accomplishments" were. Handing out pamphlets?

DRBUZZ0 · 29th September 2007, 12:10 AM

What they did at ground zero on the anniversary is so shameful. I really think these guys should be given no better treatment than holocaust deniers.

I confronted one in new york who was making a scene near city hall park. Of course the thing he said "This is America... you have to respect my right to speak out for the truth."

I told him that "I respect your right to an opinion. I do not however respect that opinion. I do not respect you at all." Of course then came the "You're brainwashed by the government."

Sure...

T.A.M. · 29th September 2007, 06:24 AM

I whole heartedly hope he is sincere in his abandonment of the truther lies, but a hard lesson was learned with PDoh's "repentance" that was later withdrawn after he gloated about duping all of us (at least some of us). If he is sincere he will soon enough prove it, if not, he will soon enough prove that as well.

TAM

Dr Adequate · 29th September 2007, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Psiload

For how long did he perpetuate the truther evil before he finally decided to get around to doing his homework? Something he obviously should have done long before he picked up a bullhorn and started hurling accusations. Sheer intellectual laziness.

I think this is unduly harsh. We all have to learn sometime.

Quote:

Rather than trying to undo some of the damage he's done, he now wants to turn in his truther secret decoder ring, and just move on to other subjects, like exposing local government corruption?

Hey, pal... clean up your mess.

Well he is trying to do something, which is why you're attacking him rather than all the ex-truthers who've just kept their mouths shut.

DRBUZZ0 · 29th September 2007, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

I think this is unduly harsh. We all have to learn sometime.

Well he is trying to do something, which is why you're attacking him rather than all the ex-truthers who've just kept their mouths shut.

Good point. If you want to attack someone about the "truth" BS, go for the ones who are still truthers. The ex-truthers are at least not causing problems now. You can't really change the past.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 1st October 2007, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by ex-truther

If this were a real truth movement, why not shed light on the aspects of this theory that have been debunked? Why yell “9/11 was an inside job!” if you’re “just asking questions?” Why not address the 4.6% MIHOPer statistic from the latest poll and try to work on bringing the number up?

This may turn out to be a good blog... He even mentioned that he quit smoking pot before quitting the truther movement.

Quote:

Truthers will readily admit now that Loose Change is garbage, and instead point you to other documentaries. Even the Loose Change guys admit this by totally retracting “facts” such as their airphones from their latest edition of the “truth.” Now, this is a raw number, but I’d say 3/4ths of truthers became truthers because of Loose Change, specifically. Believing all the hype in controlled demolition and CIA phone calls from the planes caused them to take action. But now these claims have been thoroughly debunked, what do they do? They find “new” evidence as to why they should keep fighting.

SpaceMonkeyZero · 1st October 2007, 11:03 AM

Oh yeah and Gravy got props:

Quote:

“Mark Roberts said...

Thanks for posting this, Mike. As was said above, it takes courage to say "I was fooled." You're an honorable guy.

I've had over a hundred people email me thanking me for making information available that helped them examine the 9/11 truth movement's claims. At the JREF forum where I post, several debunkers are former 9/11 conspiracy believers. I think you'll find that there's a lot more rationality and research on this "side of the fence."

Keep thinking for yourself.”

Thank you, Mark. I apologize for not giving you the proper thanks you deserve for my change in thinking. Your debate with Alex Jones at Ground Zero on 9/11/06 was very eye opening in exposing Jones for the fraud he is. He could not answer your questions, and only responded with very childlike responses, such as yelling out “strawman,” incorrectly might I add, and accusing you of being a govt. agent.

GreNME · 1st October 2007, 11:32 AM

There wouldn't happen to be a video, sound, or transcript recording of that debate, would there?

Minadin · 1st October 2007, 11:41 AM

The Alex Jones bit with Gravy? I believe I saw that in Abby Scott's Conspiracy Wars, or perhaps one of the other videos she was part of.

Here's the link to Conspiracy Wars, at least:

http://abbyscott.blogspot.com/2006/0...ars-movie.html

28th September 2007, 08:19 AM	#4
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 34,074	His MySpace page is linked from the comments page of the item before last on the SLC blog. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=31946889 There are blog entries on there going back before his change of heart. I hope he comes over here some time, I'm sure he'd be very welcome. And I hope, as R. Mackey suggested, that he finds a cause worth believing in, because he comes across as committed and motivated; he deserves better than the truth movement. Dave
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28th September 2007, 08:21 AM	#5
Anti-sophist Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,542	It's amazing to me that someone with such a sharp grasp of the situation ever fell for it in the first place. His analysis of the meta-issues regarding truth movements motives, techniques, and psychology was beyond accurate. That was a very well executed summary of a whole litany of issues in the truth movement.
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28th September 2007, 08:26 AM	#6
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,276	Originally Posted by Björn Toulouse Wonder how that happens? From the way he explains it, it's pretty typical. It's not very different from what changed my mind. When the whole thing is inspected without the rhetoric and hyperbole of the CT preachers, and when personal distaste for government is not biasing your conclusions, the CTs tend to lose their steam and begin to seem like paranoia.
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,276

28th September 2007, 08:27 AM	#7
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 59,856	Somehow I think that thread will disappear...
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28th September 2007, 08:31 AM	#8
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,152	Wow, that just restored my faith in humanity. For a little while at least, then I will get stupid and listen to Alex Jones or something...
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28th September 2007, 08:09 AM	#2
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,374	Wow. It appears the MIB got a hold of that one. He's obviously just afraid of losing his job...

28th September 2007, 08:12 AM	#3
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,284	Cool. I'm originally from Albany, and took some classes at SUNY Albany during the summers away from my real school. It's good to hear this blight will finally be gone! I blame the NWO for the Denny's on Western Ave closing!

28th September 2007, 08:32 AM	#9
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,284	Originally Posted by GordonLiu Ya' know what man, I am almost there with you. Lately I have really been questioning this movement and the personalities involved. Judging by yesterdays' "Why the truth movement isnt taken seriously" thread being deleted I am assuming this one will bite the dust too. Amazing! Those who are yelling "wake up!" are coming out of their slumber! Anyone have a cache of that thread this guy is talking about?

28th September 2007, 08:33 AM	#10
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,152	Originally Posted by WildCat Somehow I think that thread will disappear... It was already moved to the skeptics section by an admin, their own little private Gulag Archipelago.
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28th September 2007, 08:38 AM	#11
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25,817	Quote: Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available. Perfect.
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25,817

28th September 2007, 08:41 AM	#12
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,690	Originally Posted by JamesB It was already moved to the skeptics section by an admin, their own little private Gulag Archipelago. You missed the best part: Quote: moved to the skeptic's section... for now. Bolded for effect. Why do I get an ominous, "ve haff vays of making you talk" vibe off this?
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28th September 2007, 08:41 AM	#13
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 20,131	This story has made my day! Kudos to Markyx, the Doc, and Mike W, who all had major roles to play in the deprogramming of this former cult member! And especially to MikeyMetz, who's shown himself to be a real truth-seeker. ETA: And as pointed out down below, to Gravy for his guide to LC as well!
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28th September 2007, 08:45 AM	#14
Tbone Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,448	Screenshots, at least of the orignal post, probably wouldn't go amiss.
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28th September 2007, 08:47 AM	#15
Viper Daimao Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 496	It's like Lucas' "JREF moles" only in reverse!

28th September 2007, 08:50 AM	#16
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25,817	Selom FERJ?
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25,817

28th September 2007, 08:51 AM	#17
Juustin Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 501	UAlbany is where I hope to be getting my bachelor's degree once I'm done with community college. Glad to see he came to his senses.
Juustin Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 501	__________________ Science has all the answers. We just don't have all the science. - James Morrow

28th September 2007, 08:56 AM	#18
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923	Originally Posted by GreNME From the way he explains it, it's pretty typical. It's not very different from what changed my mind. When the whole thing is inspected without the rhetoric and hyperbole of the CT preachers, and when personal distaste for government is not biasing your conclusions, the CTs tend to lose their steam and begin to seem like paranoia. Typical surely although most in the truth movement would never admit it they ALL have seen this happen over and over again. The biggest problem (besides their trumped up question/evidence) is their lies and half truths. You can add another ex LIHOP believer to leaving because of those very reasons. Oh, their infighting and calling each other disinfo AND their closet anti-semitism sure didn't hurt my decision.
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923

28th September 2007, 09:08 AM	#19
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,276	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Typical surely although most in the truth movement would never admit it they ALL have seen this happen over and over again. The biggest problem (besides their trumped up question/evidence) is their lies and half truths. You can add another ex LIHOP believer to leaving because of those very reasons. Oh, their infighting and calling each other disinfo AND their closet anti-semitism sure didn't hurt my decision. The biggest problem I see with the TM is that it engages in the same intellectual dishonesty it (sometimes accurately) blames the government of doing. It loses credibility, and then intentionally disregards dissenting information. I wasn't aware of the vast in-fighting within the TM as has been showcased in places like this forum when talking about the CT-ers. Yeah, the barely-couched anti-semitism and various attempts at creating a "Unified Conspiracy Theory" were huge contributors in driving me away from ever being active with them.
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,276

28th September 2007, 09:24 AM	#20
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923	Originally Posted by GreNME The biggest problem I see with the TM is that it engages in the same intellectual dishonesty it (sometimes accurately) blames the government of doing. It loses credibility, and then intentionally disregards dissenting information. I wasn't aware of the vast in-fighting within the TM as has been showcased in places like this forum when talking about the CT-ers. Yeah, the barely-couched anti-semitism and various attempts at creating a "Unified Conspiracy Theory" were huge contributors in driving me away from ever being active with them. Big problem I see with their anti-semitism is that while I will say they are not all anti-semites as long as they "protect" the anti-semites the MSM will continue to call them anti-semites and they really have no cause to complain since they allow anti-semitism to go unpunished and on some sites like the myspace truth group they actually encouraged it (in the past, HX finally locked his group). Although some sites actually prohibit discussion apparently it is a lipservice decree and is totally ignored by the resident anti-semites. Actually it is better they stay where they are and don't pollute Jref with their bs.
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923

28th September 2007, 09:32 AM	#21
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,474	Originally Posted by Brainster This story has made my day! Kudos to Markyx, the Doc, and Mike W, who all had major roles to play in the deprogramming of this former cult member! And especially to MikeyMetz, who's shown himself to be a real truth-seeker. id include gravy in that list, a lot of the info in Markyx's SLC video seems to come from Gravys LC Guide (not to take away any of Marky's well-earned kudos, just adding some for Gravy )
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28th September 2007, 09:38 AM	#22
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe id include gravy in that list, a lot of the info in Markyx's SLC video seems to come from Gravys LC Guide (not to take away any of Marky's well-earned kudos, just adding some for Gravy ) I thought SLC was first. Well it doesn't much matter anyway
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28th September 2007, 10:46 AM	#23
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 15,145	From that blog: Quote: Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! I think he hit the nail on the head with that one. Whenever I see a twoofer writing about the 'research' he's done, it's just about always soon evident that all of this was done on-line.
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28th September 2007, 11:23 AM	#24
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	Originally Posted by Pardalis Selom FERJ? Well it does sound Hebrew, and since they all think the "jews" are in on it...makes sense... TAM

28th September 2007, 04:15 PM	#25
OldTigerCub Striped Shapeshifting Reptoid Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,619	From the blog entry: Quote: I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented. Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts SLC shoots and scores! It was nice to see proof positive that Pat's and James' efforts at the SLC blog, along with so many others' hard work, have had a profound effect on an ex-troother. I would venture to bet that a true sceptic might be in the making. ETA: To right an omission...I forgot to cite Markyx for his great work on the Screw Loose Change video, and only mentioned James and Pat, the blog moderators and contributors.
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28th September 2007, 04:34 PM	#26
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923	Originally Posted by OldTigerCub From the blog entry: SLC shoots and scores! It was nice to see proof positive that Pat's and James' efforts at the SLC blog, along with so many others' hard work, have had a profound effect on an ex-troother. I would venture to bet that a true sceptic might be in the making. He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake?
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28th September 2007, 05:22 PM	#27
Slayhamlet Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,423	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake? CIA plants. Isn't it obvious?

28th September 2007, 05:24 PM	#28
OldTigerCub Striped Shapeshifting Reptoid Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,619	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ He wasn't talking about the blog. How do you watch a blog? He was referring to MarkyX's Screw Loose Change video as well as The Doc's Screw 9/11 Mysteries. On another note and back to the origina topic, this guy although being a genuine truther is now being called a phony truther. Does that mean the truth group at the University of Albany is fake? Sorry I didn't clarify what I meant by giving credit to the SLC Blog. By no means did I mean to slight Markyx or The Doc. What caught my interest was what he said in the second paragraph of the quote, about delving into debunking and citing SLC Blogspot as one of his favorite blogs. As for the University of Albany truth group, I don't know much about that specific group, but it seems fairly clear that if other members of the group want to continue to follow the teachings of Alex Jones, or promote Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas as celebrities within the movement, MikeyMetz won't be out shouting "inside job" with the rest of them.
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28th September 2007, 05:33 PM	#29
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,923	Originally Posted by Slayhamlet CIA plants. Isn't it obvious? CIA in Albany? Now don't be ridiculous.
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28th September 2007, 05:49 PM	#30
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,502	Originally Posted by WildCat Somehow I think that thread will disappear... He's "gone" now in LCF lingo, and the thread is closed.
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28th September 2007, 06:10 PM	#31
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,102	Good for him, but there were two little words which were conspicuously absent from his "resignation" letter... I'm sorry. For how long did he perpetuate the truther evil before he finally decided to get around to doing his homework? Something he obviously should have done long before he picked up a bullhorn and started hurling accusations. Sheer intellectual laziness. Rather than trying to undo some of the damage he's done, he now wants to turn in his truther secret decoder ring, and just move on to other subjects, like exposing local government corruption? Hey, pal... clean up your mess.
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28th September 2007, 06:14 PM	#32
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lots of places Posts: 9,237	I wonder what his "past accomplishments" were. Handing out pamphlets?
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29th September 2007, 12:10 AM	#33
DRBUZZ0 Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,320	What they did at ground zero on the anniversary is so shameful. I really think these guys should be given no better treatment than holocaust deniers. I confronted one in new york who was making a scene near city hall park. Of course the thing he said "This is America... you have to respect my right to speak out for the truth." I told him that "I respect your right to an opinion. I do not however respect that opinion. I do not respect you at all." Of course then came the "You're brainwashed by the government." Sure...
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29th September 2007, 06:24 AM	#34
T.A.M. Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,795	I whole heartedly hope he is sincere in his abandonment of the truther lies, but a hard lesson was learned with PDoh's "repentance" that was later withdrawn after he gloated about duping all of us (at least some of us). If he is sincere he will soon enough prove it, if not, he will soon enough prove that as well. TAM

29th September 2007, 11:18 AM	#35
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 17,766	Originally Posted by Psiload For how long did he perpetuate the truther evil before he finally decided to get around to doing his homework? Something he obviously should have done long before he picked up a bullhorn and started hurling accusations. Sheer intellectual laziness. I think this is unduly harsh. We all have to learn sometime. Quote: Rather than trying to undo some of the damage he's done, he now wants to turn in his truther secret decoder ring, and just move on to other subjects, like exposing local government corruption? Hey, pal... clean up your mess. Well he is trying to do something, which is why you're attacking him rather than all the ex-truthers who've just kept their mouths shut.
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29th September 2007, 02:05 PM	#36
DRBUZZ0 Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,320	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate I think this is unduly harsh. We all have to learn sometime. Well he is trying to do something, which is why you're attacking him rather than all the ex-truthers who've just kept their mouths shut. Good point. If you want to attack someone about the "truth" BS, go for the ones who are still truthers. The ex-truthers are at least not causing problems now. You can't really change the past.
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