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Old 9th October 2007, 11:09 AM   #1
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Pentagon Landing Gear Photo Found by Italian Blogger

Here's a terrific find by an Italian blogger who has done excellent work in the past. Outside of a video of the Pentagon strike, this would appear to be the Holy Grail to Pentagon debunkers.

Note: the sourcing of this photo is unclear. It certainly looks very much like the area between the C-Ring and the D-Ring. I am not sure of the angle at which the photo was taken; I suspect it's looking at where the debris piled up against the D-Ring wall.

And the picture clearly shows the landing gear; just compare the two photos at the bottom of the post.

Note: I am not posting the photo here deliberately; please click through and look at the post. Unfortunately the text is in Italian, but you don't need a Babel fish to read the photographs.

Wonderful job by Henry62. If we can confirm a source/photographer it might go a long way towards putting the final nail in the coffin for the Pentagon kooks.
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:11 AM   #2
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Let me guess...the CTs will say the word "planted" in 3....2....1....
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:19 AM   #3
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Henry's work has always been excellent.
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:19 AM   #4
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No source, no confirmation, no value.
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:20 AM   #5
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This one is a really good shot. At the bottom right, you see a wheel and brake assembly, the top of a main landing gear strut in the middle, as well as a section of low pressure stator vanes for the engine at the top/middle. Great find from our Italian friends!
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:22 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Eckolaker View Post
No source, no confirmation, no value.
See post #2.
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:23 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Eckolaker View Post
No source, no confirmation, no value.
Which is why I'm publicizing it; so we can find the source.
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:35 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Eckolaker View Post
No source, no confirmation, no value.
Unless someone were to find wreckage of a missile, of course.
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:36 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Eckolaker View Post
No source, no confirmation, no value.
Oh, so predictable!
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:43 AM   #10
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Yeah, this will be just another piece of evidence that can be "explained" away by some CT. After all, there was no plane involved therefore this is just a picture of some wreckage somewhere, but NOT at the pentagon.
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Old 9th October 2007, 11:45 AM   #11
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Smile No source, no confirmation, no value.

Hi guys,
I received this image with an anonimous message at the beginning of September, after I published my work about UPS in the 81st floor of WTC2.

I asked for other images or at least something that could give me more value to this image.

I had no answer, so I decided to publish this image but paying great attention: I have no proof!

Therefore: "No source, no confirmation, no value".

I asked help to my american friends, like Brainster and others friends of mine.

After publishing my work, I received a comment with this link:

"z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15013&st=60" - (Excuse me, I cannot use links in my post on JREF Forum)

where, on 17th September, was published this image.

I received it before this day, but it is not important for me.

I think the only important thing is to understand if this image is true or false.

I need your help.

Thank you very much.

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a great thanks to Brainster!

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Old 9th October 2007, 12:09 PM   #12
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hm... good pictures
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Old 9th October 2007, 12:29 PM   #13
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Looks like cruise missile debris to me.

No, but seriously. It would be great if we could get a source on where this photo is from. I'm not exactly sure where a good place to start from would be...
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Old 9th October 2007, 01:28 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Eckolaker View Post
No source, no confirmation, no value.
Welcome to the entire sum of the evidence the truthers put forth.

You must be from the "Jason Bermas" school of truth, where you feel you must be escorted in to see all of the evidence in person before you will even give it notice...lol

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Smile English abstract

Hi guys,
I add an English abstract (thanks to Paolo Attivissimo) to my Italian post.

Best wishes from Italy,
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Old 9th October 2007, 02:18 PM   #16
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I found the english section of the blog to be interesting reading.
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Old 9th October 2007, 02:26 PM   #17
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I found the english section of the blog to be interesting reading.
Yep, especially the UPS bit. Haven't heard that before. Great research Henry62!
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Old 9th October 2007, 05:39 PM   #18
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Very interesting find, Henry62. Thanks for sharing it!
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did anyone figure out yet why this plane was allowed to fly in circles above pentagon when 2 other planes have been reported hijacked and crashed?
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Old 10th October 2007, 01:41 PM   #20
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did anyone figure out yet why this plane was allowed to fly in circles above pentagon when 2 other planes have been reported hijacked and crashed?
Your dreaming! Or just a liar.
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did anyone figure out yet why this plane was allowed to fly in circles above pentagon when 2 other planes have been reported hijacked and crashed?

Yes. Please try to keep up, would you? Or at least stop trolling...
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Old 10th October 2007, 02:29 PM   #23
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a circle is 360 degrees, please indicate how many "circles" flight 77 flew over the pentagon.

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did anyone figure out yet why this plane was allowed to fly in circles above pentagon when 2 other planes have been reported hijacked and crashed?
And just what was anybody going to be able to do? Except in its last moments before it crashed into the Pentagon, I don't think anybody in the immediate area had anything that could have reached up far enough.

Saying it was allowed makes the significant assumption that something could have been done about it.

I anticipate a claim that there was an anti-aircraft defense system deployed around the Pentagon. Am I right?
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Your dreaming! Or just a liar.

An uninformed liar.
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If those pictures can be sourced, it would sure go a long way toward shutting the twoofers down.

Though, right now, I would settle for a picture of a thermite cut to show people the difference.

But, then, we are not competing with orderly minds when we encounter the twoofers. If they can't counter your evidence, they will derail the thread. Right, Zlaya?
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When I click Apathoid's link in post 5 , I get a GOOGLE error saying my client is forbidden to access the relevant server.
Why would that be? Private or offline server?
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Old 11th October 2007, 03:19 AM   #28
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If those pictures can be sourced, it would sure go a long way toward shutting the twoofers down.
Frankly, the only thing that will shut the hardcore Twoofers down is duct tape.
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Is anyone in the process of trying to source the pictures?

What avenues would one have to go down to do this. Wheer did he get it from. Start there maybe?

Must not sit on this one!!

Love to see what the responses to the pic will be.
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Old 11th October 2007, 06:43 AM   #31
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I agree this should be pursued for verification (after all, that's one of the things that separates sceptics from the truthiness movement). I'm not sure there's much more that can be done though. They're quite tight shots, anonymously submitted. Unless the photographer or someone connected to them comes forward, it could be tricky to do by interpretation alone.

That said, any possibility of tracing the partial number marked on the mini-digger vehicle (239 89X ?)? Or identifying the type and seeing who uses them? In white? With that particular bucket attachment?

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Could this be the vehicle, to the right of the yellow crane and with a white-suited guy sitting on it? I think the one in the linked pic is a Bobcat loader with claw-bucket attachment.

Then again the white arm affair on the right side of the new pic's dozer is round in section, where the Bobcat is box-section.

Such vehicles are probably too ubiquitous to prove anything either way on their own, but if someone could confirm what model of loader/dozer was in use that day, and make a positive ID on the one in the photo, that would be a start. If the number (licence plate number or something else?) could be traced (would require police/DMV work I would think) so much the better.

ETA - Found a higher-res version of the image.

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Here's a terrific find by an Italian blogger who has done excellent work in the past. Outside of a video of the Pentagon strike, this would appear to be the Holy Grail to Pentagon debunkers.

Note: the sourcing of this photo is unclear. It certainly looks very much like the area between the C-Ring and the D-Ring. I am not sure of the angle at which the photo was taken; I suspect it's looking at where the debris piled up against the D-Ring wall.

And the picture clearly shows the landing gear; just compare the two photos at the bottom of the post.

Note: I am not posting the photo here deliberately; please click through and look at the post. Unfortunately the text is in Italian, but you don't need a Babel fish to read the photographs.

Wonderful job by Henry62. If we can confirm a source/photographer it might go a long way towards putting the final nail in the coffin for the Pentagon kooks.
An un-sourced photo showing unidentified plane parts in a pile. Inconclusive and not quite up to debunking standards.
No, what should be shown are the parts numbers from the debris to conclusively link the part to the plane that hit the Pentagon.
Or perhaps video or still photos of the plane on approach and impacting the Pentagon. I think that would be the holy grail for Pentagon debunkers.
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
An un-sourced photo showing unidentified plane parts in a pile. Inconclusive and not quite up to debunking standards.
You missed where people have asked for a source and that the pictures were posted here hoping to find it.

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No, what should be shown are the parts numbers from the debris to conclusively link the part to the plane that hit the Pentagon.
Like the FDR?
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Or perhaps video or still photos of the plane on approach and impacting the Pentagon. I think that would be the holy grail for Pentagon debunkers.
Shutter speeds? Once again, you have nothing.
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
An un-sourced photo showing unidentified plane parts in a pile. Inconclusive and not quite up to debunking standards.
No, what should be shown are the parts numbers from the debris to conclusively link the part to the plane that hit the Pentagon.
Or perhaps video or still photos of the plane on approach and impacting the Pentagon. I think that would be the holy grail for Pentagon debunkers.
How about one piece of anything that should not be there, like an actually supportable piece of a missile or explosive damage?

And don't give me any of the Killtown/Rumpl4skin/Bunel BS about there not being a hole big enough or no marks on the lawn. And don't lecture us about fire fighting procedures like the Bunel-influenced twoofers love to do.

One thing I did notice that might be a clue. There is a white object in that pile that looks for all the world like a toilet? Would anyone know if this is the type that would be in an airline lavatory? Look down to the right near that landing gear.

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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
An un-sourced photo showing unidentified plane parts in a pile. Inconclusive and not quite up to debunking standards.
No, what should be shown are the parts numbers from the debris to conclusively link the part to the plane that hit the Pentagon.
Or perhaps video or still photos of the plane on approach and impacting the Pentagon. I think that would be the holy grail for Pentagon debunkers.
I think the point is there is nothing that would shut the no-planers/fake-planer/flyover people up. Even if somehow a photo which is sourced, identified, followed a chain of custody, showing part numbers, serial numbers, has identifiable body parts in the photo, and it's notarized- it still wouldn't be enough.

The fact is that there is nothing disputing this evidence- and if conspiracists held themselves to the same standards that cause them to scoff at obvious evidence such as this- they would realize their argument is entirely irrational and debunks itself.

I happen to disagree with the OP- the Pentagon denialists were buried a long time ago- this photo is just another reason to laugh at how they react to their own cognitive dissonance.
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How about one piece of anything that should not be there, like an actually supportable piece of a missile or explosive damage?
How about the exit hole in the C ring? Does that look to you like it was created by plane wreckage?
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How about the exit hole in the C ring? Does that look to you like it was created by plane wreckage?
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How about the exit hole in the C ring? Does that look to you like it was created by plane wreckage?
What do you think caused the damage at the Pentagon?
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I can't understand the exit hole bit. If it was caused by a missile wouldn't it have to be an entrance hole? Then if it was an exit hole what happened to the missile? What do you think RedIbis?
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