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A new debunk of the WTC "power down"

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RKOwens4 has posted a new video on Youtube debunking the power down claim made by Scott Forbes. This is just the latest ( that I have seen) in a series of very well done videos explaining away the falacies of the trooth movement.

 
The "power-down" is one of the dumbest claims I've seen.

Never mind the fact that it doesn't address the other 1 1/2 towers or WTC7...the mere notion that you can rig up even 50 floors of a 110 story building in 36 hours is bloody absurd.
 
CHF said:
The "power-down" is one of the dumbest claims I've seen.

Never mind the fact that it doesn't address the other 1 1/2 towers or WTC7...the mere notion that you can rig up even 50 floors of a 110 story building in 36 hours is bloody absurd.
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I've noticed that the "power down" isn't mentioned much, probably because it is so easily debunked, though I still see it brought up (usually to change the subject when a troother is losing a debate on a more popular subject):p
 
JAStewart said:
I PM'ed him asking him to come join us be he hasn't replied yet.
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RKOwens4 really does a nice job on his videos, and he seems to know his subject matter and information sources quite well. I think he would feel right at home here at the jref forums.
 
I've always wondered how Scott Forbes even came to his conclusion of half of the tower being powered down. Did he just make it up?
 
I never really understood this argument or why bring it up. It's one of the most easiest ones to counter.

All you need is point to the J. Hudson building, say it's the largest steel frame building to be bought down by demos and it took 7 months to rig the empty building. After mentioning this, tell them the Twin Towers are 3 times that height.

The number of times I've seen this dumb argument bought up can be counted on one hand with a missing thumb.
 
I have proof that whole upper 50 floors of the South Tower were NOT powered down during the timeframe specified by Scott Forbes. Maybe the floors he was on (giving him the benefit of the doubt), but certainly not all of them, much less the other two towers.

I'll post the evidence here when I have time.
 
Mangoose said:
I have proof that whole upper 50 floors of the South Tower were NOT powered down during the timeframe specified by Scott Forbes...
I'll post the evidence here when I have time.
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Don't leave us hanging like that Fermat guy did...
 
Having been involved in several power downs can tell you that it is major operation
Multiple emails are sent out warning everybody what is going on, equipment which
has to be powered must be isolated. That only one person, Scott Forbes, was aware
of this is totally amazing. What about the electricians? Considering that many of
the tenants were financial or securities which had 24 hour operations someone had to
know .
 
BenBurch said:
So they were in the same tower as Windows To The World? Hard to keep straight which tower was which sometimes. Sorry!
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Yes, Windows On the World was in the north tower, the observation deck on the south.
 
Mangoose said:
I have proof that whole upper 50 floors of the South Tower were NOT powered down during the timeframe specified by Scott Forbes. Maybe the floors he was on (giving him the benefit of the doubt), but certainly not all of them, much less the other two towers.

I'll post the evidence here when I have time.
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Part of the evidence he presents (briefly) in the video shows the towers well illuminated during the time in question.
I have to admit that I was(shamelessly :confused:) putting in a plug for RKOwens4, though. My impression is that he puts a lot of research into finding those obscure and forgotten shots that put the subject at hand to rest.:)
 
Old Tiger Club: I don't think RKOwens is necessarily claiming that the shot of the lit WTC was taken that weekend. I have tried to find photos of the period in question and haven't found any confirmed examples yet.
 
I think the point he was making was that if, for some reason, half of a tower was dark, there would be pictures, as it would have been unusual.
 
Okay, here is what I found.

There are at least two witnesses who recall the Observation Deck being open (with power) during the same time-frame that Scott Forbes claims the upper half of WTC2 was powered down.

One website has a personal account by Melissa Papke who relates her visit to the Observation Deck on that "power-down" weekend (9/8/01). She visited the WTC with her friends late in the day, after the last ferry to the Statue of Liberty had departed (i.e. squarely within the period Scott Forbes placed the power downs). She related this: "Brian held my hands in his and stared into my eyes trying to keep me calm as the express elevator climbed and climbed to the observation deck on the 107th floor. We walked around, looked through the telescopes, watched a movie on the history of the buildings, and even pressed a couple of commemorative pennies in one of those little machines". Clearly, there was power on the 107th Floor at that time.

Another blog presents this photo of a ticket to the Observation Deck during the very time that Forbes claims there was no power to that part of the building:

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Also, there was a public free outdoor festival at 7:00 pm on 9/8/2001 in the World Trade Center Plaza between the two buildings (New York Times, September 7, 2001, E-3), featuring the Twyla Tharp dance troupe. So if there was a power down and massive preparation for building demolition, it would've been in the midst of this public event.

I still would love to see a photo of the buildings at night on 9/8/01 as that would clearly show if any floors, and which floors, experienced a shut-down of power.
 
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