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Oprah lost her bearings (so her wheels don't turn quite as smoothly)
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Max Photon answers e^n's questions about recovered steel member N8
I did not say it wasn't an efficient use of time. I said it wasn't the highest-and-best-use of time.
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Well at least you're smarter than Oprah, and can admit that evidence WAS destroyed[/quote]
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Good grief, it's not like they built the Great Wall of China.
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e^n, since they COULD have missed something the first time through, wasn't it a clear case of spoliation? In ALL other crime scenes, isn't evidence preserved exactly because new information, perspectives, etc., might come to the fore, making seemingly information-free evidence suddenly extremely valuable? (For God's sake, please say yes.)
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No need to forget them, because it was not difficult - the thermite was simply placed in the little rectangular tube that forms where two top chords are juxtaposed (as they sit in the truss seat).
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That paper and plastic caught on the truss seat does not mean the thermite was on the truss seat. http://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07405/screenshot4.png.xs.jpghttp://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07405/screenshot5.png.xs.jpg
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Of course I'm making it up! That's why I call it MAX-MIHOP. (Is that confusing?)
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I think you are regressing to an earlier time in your life e^n. Surely you know that if you have horizontal surface, and pour a liquid on it such that the liquid runs off the edges of the horizontal surface, that surface tension can cause some fingers of liquid to run on the underside of the surface.
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Wow, everyone seems so lost about temperature, heat transport, etc., e^n, is your model: IF THERMITE, THEN STEEL TEMP = 2500C Is there any way you can imagine that with a small amount of thermite, and given heat transport, that thermite can be used to locally heat steel to between 250C and 650C? I am amazed everyone face-plants here. Remember when I first arrived, and everyone said thermite would simply melt through the steel, and I had to do all those stupid little posts saying stuff like, "Do you really think that - just for the sake of discussion - one gram of thermite would melt through steel?" If I recall, you were guilty. Crazy Bandsaw was guilty. And there were other rush-to-judgment types.
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Wait, are you saying you THINK it is grounding wire, or that you KNOW it is grounding wire? And are you saying you THINK the wires are screwed in to the truss seat, or you KNOW the wires are screwed into the truss seat?
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Hey Apollo, if we ever happen to write a paper together, here's our title.
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e^n, I really sincerely apologize for not taking the time to look inside WTC2 fire-affected perimeter panels for evidence of thermite placed inside those columns. A Springer marathon was on, and well, you know...
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Says the guy who was unfamiliar with the 8 column splices in a row at WTC2/81/NE. e^n, you have repeatedly demonstrated your propensity to believe that because you don't understand something, that it is too complex to be possible, or simply doesn't exist. Consider art classes. They are very good for opening up that little idea generator of yours. Oh, by the way (and I am dead serious), please name the columns that did play a role the collapse. I want to see what NIST says about them. (Perhaps you'd be kind enough to get me started with some references.)
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If you say that one more time... MAX-MIHOP IS TESTABLE!!! JUST LOOK INSIDE THE FIRE-AFFECTED BOX COLUMNS OF WTC2! AND WHILE YOUR AT IT, EXPLAIN THE SPOLIATION.
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It's perfectly understandable to me.
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The above is simply nonsensical.
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I never take any of this personally e^n, but thanks for your considerate preamble.
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Kudos to your clear, direct stance.
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Absolutely true.
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If I'm correct, but my assumptions didn't have a rigorous basis, will you still love me? Thanks for your participation e^n. I welcome more from you. Cheers! Max Making It Up As He Goes Along Photon P.S. Is it getting brighter in here, or is it just me? * * * |
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AAhhh those anti-truthers are a show arent them?!?!?! They just nitpick, run in circles , use bad rhetoric, and just pretend there is no suspicious attitudes towards how the evidence was destroyed or analyzed, or overlooked.
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How long do you think they should have hung on to 200,000 tones of steel?
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It might give MAX-MIHOP alittle more wieght.
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If you have can you show us the calculations?
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http://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07405/screenshot7.png.xs.jpg It shows where N8 is in refrence to the plane impact.
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Max Photon addresses Uruk's questions regarding N8.
Well, the IRS expects us to keep tax records indefinitely. Just try telling an auditor you didn't need them any longer. Let's try a different tack... If your family members were murdered, and the murderer was still at large, how long would you like them to keep the evidence?
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Well, it's been six years and there is still no WTC7 report (and, in case you didn't notice, it was a related event.) How long do they take to investigate commercial airline crashes? Studies could have and should have been conducted for decades to come.
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uruk, I'm kind of slow. When did the trial end?
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From fire-affected panels from WTC2? Sweet! Please post where. I will go ASAP!
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Well I built a full-scale model of the towers, flew a couple of jets into them, and then looked in box columns, and sure enough, I found evidence of thermite!
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Max Photon travels light.
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Any thermite recipe in particular?
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No problemo (since you don't seem to know your way around). Check NIST FAQ #12
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Yeah, that's because you're looking at N8. (Are you at a pub or something?)
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And? Good grief, do you think I don't know where N8 comes from? uruk, yet again, you are shadow boxing images in YOUR head.
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Then start demonstrating that fact.
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That is not what I asked e^n. uruk, you are obviously intelligent, but you are consistently off track, thought I suspect you'll get more on track over time, because you are a decent fellow. Regardless, I appreciate your participation, and welcome more. Cheers! Max * * * |
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I've heard three to five years. I could be mistaken
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The only people who are still wanting an investigation are people like you who believe the government is involved. To re-open the investigation you need to provide proof that the government was responsible. Conjecture is not going to open those doors. Hard evidence will. And besides there is still evidence available if you know where to look.
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According to this report FEMA over saw the collection of steel for further study. http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apd_x.pdf So it seems that key pieces of steel are in storage for further study.
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Uruk, poet.
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Today's lesson The H - U - M - O - R of teleological controlled-demolition narratives
Mr. Wolfshade, You are experiencing - possibly for the first time - humor. h - u - m - o - r Try that one more time: h - u - m - o - r You see, humor is founded on surprise. Even Aristotle was aware of that. Now, let me help you. MAX-MIHOP says that a controlled-demolition plan, and a pre-engineered - a pre-scripted - narrative - were designed together - simultaneously - to create a unified portrait. (Nice use of greys!) Anyone who understands principles of design understands what I am saying. (Not really. You have to be a total genius, but anyway...) Now uruk, bless his little soul, does not see the teleology. Of course I know that is not what he meant. He knows that. And you know that. Everyone knows that. Now, the tension between the two, creates a form of surprise. That surprise is experienced as - by those with a brain stem attached to the cortical system - Class? .... Anyone?..... That's right Frank. Humor. H - u - m - o - r. Arkan, you're a funny guy. A Mused Max For more on the subject: A Message From Max Photon to the Meritorious Engineers of the World - Mind Your DEQs http://maxphoton.com/2007/06/16/teleology.aspx (Moderators, I don't believe I've ever linked to this aritcle, so have mercy.) * * * |
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You're half right. Your were going for "c : something that is or is designed to be comical or amusing"*; in that, you fail; but you did manage to land, "a : that quality which appeals to a sense of the ludicrous or absurdly incongruous"* in the bulk of your posts rather well.
So glad you enjoy making jokes about accusing people of mass murder. Welcome to ignore, *******. *http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/humor |
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For Max Photon Worldwide Industries, press one...
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JREF really ought to consider Nap Time* *Nap Time is a registered trademark of Max Photon Worldwide Industries, an amalgamated conglomerate focusing on core businesses. |
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Uh, Max, we've noted that there is absolutely no evidence for your thermite fantasy. We've also noticed that you're not a scientist of any sort. How long will your desperate attempt to pretend that "evidence" was destroyed continue? What agency tasked with finding out why the buildings fell has complained about a lack of steel samples? Don't be shy, Max--show us your thermite evidence. |
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Uncle Frank's Hydrogen-Helper
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This paper by Dr. Frank Greening (Apollo20) is germane to this thread: Aluminum and the World Trade Center Disaster; (rev. June, 2006) Apollo20 might have titled his paper: Uncle Frank's Hydrogen-Helper: Using Improvised Phreato-Thermatic Explosions to Knock Off WTC SFRM. Max * * * |
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Oh yea, I forgot to add that if the points brough up in the paper did happen, That would tend to support that there was no planned demolition of the towers. And reinforce the idea that that the plane crashes were responsible for the building collapses
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Hey Max,
Did you figure out the problem with your "Lasers" yet? |
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Max Photon give the green light on the white flashes
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do you have a picture of a shock tube? I gotta see one
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Max Photon says: That darn aluminum-water reaction is dynamite!
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Here is an excerpt from Apollo20's paper: Aluminum and the World Trade Center Disaster. Quoting B. Davy: "...it is more than just a steam explosion that can result. The aluminum-water reaction [Max's phreato-thermatic explosion] that occurs with molten aluminum is highly exothermic, and will cause the aluminum to detonate with greater energy release than an equivalent weight of TNT." Let that in!
(Trust me, I've tried it.) I find amazing that the flying aluminum beer cans that were Flights 175 and 11 had more potential energy stored in the aluminum than in an equivalent weight of TNT! That is incredible. It is also incredible that MILDEC had the audacity to exploit that energy source. MILDEC's audacity can from their game theory findings that indicated that only a handful of people on earth would be able to see the jets' aluminum as an improvised explosive/incendiary device. MILDEC knows how to use incredulity as a cloaking device. (This is related to MILDEC's knowing how to exploit Ockham's Razor as a cloaking device.) Unbelievable-to-the-Max P.S. Great paper, Apollo! * * * |
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so.... it wasn't jet fuel... it was urine!
Urethra!... er... Uleaka! oh man... I mean eureka! |
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You do know that the process that Apollo describes in his paper does not imply or suggest that any covert operation was involved.
It just simply states that all the ingrediants were present in the impact event to create and ad hoc thermite reaction (if you will) that added to the destructive energy of the impact and subsequent conflagration. His paper would actually support the "offical" description of events. He is just pointing out something that the NIST may have missed. |
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Max Photon says: 1/10th of the jet's aluminum only needs 100 cubic feet of iron-oxide
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Unsecured Coin, pretty cute! - - - Speaking of phreato-thermatic explosions... Just think, if a jet had 50 tons of aluminum, and if only, say, 10% were sufficiently powderized upon impact to ignite, and if water were present, then the explosive force from the aluminum would be greater than from 5 tons of TNT. Note that this would only require 100 cubic feet of iron-oxide. (Just think of a sandbox, 10'x10' x 1' deep.) Now in the world of BlackOps, is planting 100 cubic feet of iron-oxide impossible? MaxNoir * * * |
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With what precision and accuracy can a jet be computer-guided to a target?
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Max Photon asks: Would phreato-thermatic explosions knock off SFRM?
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Max's phreato-thermatic explosions are a game of inches
Yes, I am saying the jets were computer-guided. Good grief! We put a rover on Mars. Is computer-guiding a jet - like - Star Trek? Anyway, while Mr. Skinny tries to get some three-dimensional ideas into his one-dimensional mind, can anyone comment on the precision and accuracy with which a jet can be computer-guided to a target?
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Holy *****' ell, Max. What an arrogant answer. When have I ever shown this degree of arrogance toward you? Do you think you make yourself look smarter by trying to make me look stupid?
Of course I'm aware that an aircraft can be flown without a pilot. The USAF has many remotely piloted aircraft that are used to tow targets, etc. They also have remote controled aircraft like the Predator which I'm fairly certain are capable of navigation by GPS systems. Since my mind is so one-dimensional and yours is so 3D, why don't you provide us with the answer to your own question. Must we research everything for you? Cheers! Skinny **** |
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Controlled Impact Demonstration of a Boeing Aircraft
On December 1st, 1984, a Boeing 720 transport aircraft weighing 192,000 lbs and traveling at 151.5 knots (Yes knots!!), was part of a CID (Controlled Impact Demonstration) at Edwards Airforce Base in California. The remotely controlled aircraft was planned to impact the ground with a symmetric 1 degree nose-up attitude at a 17 f/s sink rate. In addition, so-called tank traps were set up on the ground to shear the wings off. As it turned out, the aircraft actually hit the ground slightly yawed and rolled (left-wing down) by 13 degrees, and the tank traps cut through an engine. Nevertheless, based on photographs I have seen, I would say the aircraft impact was within 10 feet of its planned target... And that was accomplished in 1984!
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How accurately can commercial jets be targeted?
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Nice shot of the NIST Report. Back to the topic... Where are the herds of know-it-alls? Here, I'll just make up a number, as enticement... In 2007, computer-guided commercial jets can be brought to targets with both precision and accuracy of +/- 10 meters. Anyone for 1m or less? Anyone for 100m or more? x ax Max ax x * * * |
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