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Bee death: the true explanation

wogoga

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A typical statement:

"A dramatic spate of bee deaths is being observed in the USA. In many regions almost 90 percent of the population has been affected. In Germany and Switzerland too, colony numbers have virtually halved in the last 15 years. But what are the causes?" (from afaa.com.au/news/n_news-2022.asp)

The primary cause of this bee death is very simple: there are not enough bee souls for the growing honey production all over the world. Many of the bee souls working now in East Asia and South America still worked in Europe and North America some years ago. The most efficient way to increase the world-wide honey production would consist in exterminating all species closely related to the honey bee. Yet it is clear that the souls of such related species need some lives as honey bees before they can be efficient honey bees themselves.

The limited number of souls having developed during evolution of life ("the psychon theory") explains why domestication and aquaculture inevitably lead to a reduction in the corresponding wild populations. It also explains the spreading of lowest-low fertility among humans around the world ("demographic saturation").

Cheers, Wolfgang
 
I'm going to go drink a beer and hope I kill whatever brain cells might be involved in storing that load in my memory.
 
Freethinker said:
I'm going to go drink a beer and hope I kill whatever brain cells might be involved in storing that load in my memory.
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Hey, it's not only a funny load, it's a load that has been used in at least two SF short stories I remember (and I have only read possibly 25% of all the pro SF stories in English). For human souls, not Bees.
 
The "theory" does not make any sense intrinsically. If there were a limited number of bee souls, the number of bees would stabilize, not decrease. :confused:
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
The "theory" does not make any sense intrinsically. If there were a limited number of bee souls, the number of bees would stabilize, not decrease. :confused:
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You are missing the point........many, ok some, of the bee souls go to "heaven".

Therefore, there are less to make the stuff that goes in my tea.

In 20 years, if i'm still kicking, I'll have to use sugar.

Damn the good souled bees.
 
XBoxWarrior said:
You are missing the point........many, ok some, of the bee souls go to "heaven".

Therefore, there are less to make the stuff that goes in my tea.

In 20 years, if i'm still kicking, I'll have to use sugar.

Damn the good souled bees.
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Ah. Oh. That fixes the theory. I may yet become a believer. Should we start annoying bees so they are not good enough to go to heaven? :boggled:
 
wogoga said:
The primary cause of this bee death is very simple: there are not enough bee souls for the growing honey production all over the world. Many of the bee souls working now in East Asia and South America still worked in Europe and North America some years ago.
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
The "theory" does not make any sense intrinsically. If there were a limited number of bee souls, the number of bees would stabilize, not decrease.
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"From 1971 through 2006, there was a dramatic reduction in the number of feral (wild) honeybees in the US (now almost absent); and a significant, though somewhat gradual decline in the number of colonies maintained by beekeepers." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder

"World production of honey in 2000, the latest reporting year for the series, rose +1.4% to 1.241 million metric tons from 1.224 million metric tons in 1999. World honey production has been stable in the 1.0-1.2 million metric ton range over the last 15 years." http://www.crbtrader.com/fund/articles/honey.asp

"Honey world production is around 1.4 million tons. Six countries concentrate 50% of total world production where there has been a slightly growing trend in the last decade." http://www.alimentosargentinos.gov.ar/0-3/revistas/r_38/cadenas/Ingles/Honey.htm (2007)

Cheers, Wolfgang
Reincarnation as an Alternative to Lamarck, Darwin and Sheldrake
 
Just out of curiousity, how many bees are there actually living in the world? A billion? Ten billion? A hundred billion? A trillion? Several trillion? More? Purportedly, one hive can have up to 100,000 or so, and that only takes up an area about a square meter or so.

-Dr. Imago
 
Corsair 115 said:
Bees have souls? I thought souls were the sole province of human beings...
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Bees have bee souls.

Humans have human souls.

Whales have whale souls.

Bacteria have bacteria souls.

Those curious creatures that live at the edges of Black Smokers in the briney deeps have curious creatures that live at the edges of Black Smokers in the briney deeps souls.

Stars have star souls. (Apologies to Olaf Stapledon).

And Canadians have no souls. :sniff:
 
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wogoga said:
A typical statement:

"A dramatic spate of bee deaths is being observed in the USA. In many regions almost 90 percent of the population has been affected. In Germany and Switzerland too, colony numbers have virtually halved in the last 15 years. But what are the causes?" (from afaa.com.au/news/n_news-2022.asp)

The primary cause of this bee death is very simple: there are not enough bee souls for the growing honey production all over the world. Many of the bee souls working now in East Asia and South America still worked in Europe and North America some years ago. The most efficient way to increase the world-wide honey production would consist in exterminating all species closely related to the honey bee. Yet it is clear that the souls of such related species need some lives as honey bees before they can be efficient honey bees themselves.

The limited number of souls having developed during evolution of life ("the psychon theory") explains why domestication and aquaculture inevitably lead to a reduction in the corresponding wild populations. It also explains the spreading of lowest-low fertility among humans around the world ("demographic saturation").

Cheers, Wolfgang
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I thought this was related to Cell Phones.

What exactly do you mean by "bee souls"? I don't believe I understand what you're saying.... like, at all.
 
Dr. Imago said:
Just out of curiousity, how many bees are there actually living in the world? A billion? Ten billion? A hundred billion? A trillion? Several trillion? More?
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Using the facts (source)

  • A single bee colony can produce more than 100 pounds (45 kg) of extra honey and this is what is harvested by the beekeeper.
  • A colony of honey bees in summer has 50-60,000 bees.
we calculate that around 1 gram of honey is harvested per bee. So for the honey world production of around 1.4 million tons, around 1.4 trillion bees are needed. From the dramatic reduction in the number of wild honeybees over the last decades we can conclude that most honeybee souls are now working in the honey production for us. Thus a reasonable guess could be the number of around 2 trillion (2,000,000,000,000) honey bee souls.

BTW, there could be this possibility to increase honey production without decreasing the number of bees elsewhere: The same bee souls must work always there where the season is ideal, e.g. from April to October in North America and from October to April in South America.

Cheers, Wolfgang

Only four centuries ago heliocentrism was considered by the vast majority of educated man as nonsensical as panpsychism still today
 
Out of all the forums on the net, you choose this one to post this kind of info to. It's strange.. and maybe stupid, but you've got balls, I give you that much, haha.. So anyway, what is your definition of a soul? And how do we know it exists? I think i've read your posts before, and the problem is, you don't setup a foundation AT ALL for your readers. You expect us to know what you're talking about right off the bat, as if we're there studying the material together in the same room. So yeah, how about that foundation?
 
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I think i've read your posts before, and the problem is, you don't setup a foundation AT ALL for your readers. You expect us to know what you're talking about right off the bat, as if we're there studying the material together in the same room. So yeah, how about that foundation?
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I was thinking the same thing. I have read another post by this guy that was talking about psychons(sp?) and enzymes being connected to souls. I feel that some of these posters RELY on the level of complication in their crackpot theories. This adds a sort of obfuscation in the form of... No one can really say why they are wrong because no one has any idea what the guy just said.

So yeah, to the OP:

Why do you think there is a soul, and what exactly *is* this magical soul comprised of, where does it reside?

DO NOT use postdictive proofs, like " OMG BEES DIED IT WAS CAUSE ALL THE BEE SOULS GOT USED UP LOLOL ". That is rubbish.
 
Gate2501 said:
DO NOT use postdictive proofs, like " OMG BEES DIED IT WAS CAUSE ALL THE BEE SOULS GOT USED UP LOLOL ". That is rubbish.
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hhahaha that was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh.

Wolfgang, my dearest apologizes, it's nothing against you.
 
wogoga said:
BTW, there could be this possibility to increase honey production without decreasing the number of bees elsewhere: The same bee souls must work always there where the season is ideal, e.g. from April to October in North America and from October to April in South America.

Cheers, Wolfgang

Only four centuries ago heliocentrism was considered by the vast majority of educated man as nonsensical as panpsychism still today
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wogoga said:
we calculate that around 1 gram of honey is harvested per bee. So for the honey world production of around 1.4 million tons, around 1.4 trillion bees are needed. From the dramatic reduction in the number of wild honeybees over the last decades we can conclude that most honeybee souls are now working in the honey production for us. Thus a reasonable guess could be the number of around 2 trillion (2,000,000,000,000) honey bee souls.
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Oh, I see. So, every honey bee colony in the world is harvested then, right? This is how you account for your numbers, correct?

-Dr. Imago
 
and here all this time i thought it was from excess phlogiston residue resulting from overconsumption of fossil fuels (bees have been using far too much petroleum-based fuel lately).
 
wogoga said:
Thus a reasonable guess could be the number of around 2 trillion (2,000,000,000,000) honey bee souls.
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Dr. Imago said:
Oh, I see. So, every honey bee colony in the world is harvested then, right? This is how you account for your numbers, correct?
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After the "dramatic reduction in the number of wild honeybees", the majority of honeybees is probably harvested now. The calculated value of two trillion honeybee souls is the result of e.g. the following premises:
  • Honey world production is around 1.4 billion kg per year
  • An avergage harvested bee colony consists in summer of 50,000 bees and produces per year on average 50 kg harvested honey
  • Saturation of an average colony in summer is 80% (i.e. out of 100 colony bee souls, 80 souls are alive as bees at the same time)
  • 85% of the all honeybees worldwide are harvested
We get:
  • 1.4 billion kg / (50 kg / 50,000 bees) / 0.85 / 0.8 ) = 2 trillion
This is only a first guess, future will clear up this question.

Fertility is now low not only in the case of honeybees, but also in the case of cattle:

"A quarter century of declining fertility in dairy cattle has meant that a major problem now facing the UK farming sector is the very poor reproductive performance of high-yielding cows." (Source)​

In the case of horses however, fertilty is high:

"Largely unchecked by natural predators, wild horse populations grow at rates of 18-25% per year." (Source)​

So why have wild honeybee populations been decreasing in size whereas wild horse populations been increasing? If one deals with the problem in an unprejudiced way, then the answer is trivial.

Cheers, Wolfgang
 
wogoga said:
Fertility is now low not only in the case of honeybees, but also in the case of cattle
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That is due to all the wife swapping parties attended by bees and cattle.

In their sordid pursuit of exotic forms of fornication, they forget that interspecies breeding, particularly between Insect and Animal kingdoms, doesn't work.

DR
 
Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD)

Colony Collapse Disorder is the phenomenon in which worker bees from a bee hive abruptly disappear. Healthy bees may not develop, or fly away from the hive and never return, leaving behind only an egg-laying queen and a few young workers. The explanation of this phenomenon is obvious: There are not enough honey bee souls for the growing demand all over the world.

The explanation that healthy bees never return to their hives is especially interesting:

The souls of evolutionarily related less social or even solitary bees develop in such honey bee hives. Because instinctive behaviour originates from the soul and not from genetics, these bees simply continue to behave like non-honey bees, despite genetically being genuine honey bees.​

(Because imitation is a fundamental principle of biological evolution, souls of solitary bees can evolve into genuine honey-bee souls, if they are regularly born among a majority of such honey bees.)

Cheers, Wolfgang

Simplicity correlates with truth
 
wogoga said:
Colony Collapse Disorder is the phenomenon in which worker bees from a bee hive abruptly disappear. Healthy bees may not develop, or fly away from the hive and never return, leaving behind only an egg-laying queen and a few young workers. The explanation of this phenomenon is obvious: There are not enough honey bee souls for the growing demand all over the world.

The explanation that healthy bees never return to their hives is especially interesting:

The souls of evolutionarily related less social or even solitary bees develop in such honey bee hives. Because instinctive behaviour originates from the soul and not from genetics, these bees simply continue to behave like non-honey bees, despite genetically being genuine honey bees.​

(Because imitation is a fundamental principle of biological evolution, souls of solitary bees can evolve into genuine honey-bee souls, if they are regularly born among a majority of such honey bees.)

Cheers, Wolfgang

Simplicity correlates with truth
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This is so.... interesting.

or deranged, one of the two...


Questions:

-Can you provide evidence for the existence of souls?
-Can you provide evidence for the existence of bee souls?
-Can you provide evidence for the claim "instinctive behaviour originates from the soul and not from genetics"?
-Can you tell us what you're smoking? It seem potent...
 
wogoga said:
The souls of evolutionarily related less social or even solitary bees develop in such honey bee hives. Because instinctive behaviour originates from the soul and not from genetics, these bees simply continue to behave like non-honey bees, despite genetically being genuine honey bees.
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And yet the Japanese can't get souls from other human populations. Animals can get souls from different species, but human souls can't even cross cultural boundaries. :rolleyes:
 
Nonsense! Everybody knows the bee's have all flown to the great pyramid at which they are awaiting the return of the bee king in his spaceship.

(actually its a combination of fungus and virus.)
 
wogoga said:
A typical statement:

"A dramatic spate of bee deaths is being observed in the USA. In many regions almost 90 percent of the population has been affected. In Germany and Switzerland too, colony numbers have virtually halved in the last 15 years. But what are the causes?" (from afaa.com.au/news/n_news-2022.asp)

The primary cause of this bee death is very simple: there are not enough bee souls for the growing honey production all over the world. Many of the bee souls working now in East Asia and South America still worked in Europe and North America some years ago. The most efficient way to increase the world-wide honey production would consist in exterminating all species closely related to the honey bee. Yet it is clear that the souls of such related species need some lives as honey bees before they can be efficient honey bees themselves.

The limited number of souls having developed during evolution of life ("the psychon theory") explains why domestication and aquaculture inevitably lead to a reduction in the corresponding wild populations. It also explains the spreading of lowest-low fertility among humans around the world ("demographic saturation").

Cheers, Wolfgang
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Hah! Cool, Wolfgang! What a spot-on parody of that loon who keeps spouting off about 'the limited number of souls' in... er, hang on a sec...

(glances to left)

oh.

:crazy:
 
The decline in wild bumblebees

Also the reason of the dwindling numbers of bumblebees in free nature ultimately results from the limited number of bumblebee souls. Bumblebees are more and more commercially raised and sold around the world for greenhouse pollination. These increasing numbers in commercially raised populations inevitably lead to a decline in the wild populations.

A quote from www.bumblebee.org:

Bumblebees are found mainly in northern temperate regions, though there are a few native South American species and New Zealand has some naturalised species that were introduced around 100 years ago to pollinate red clover. ... With the recent popularity of using bumblebees in glasshouse pollination they will probably be found in most parts of the world before long, especially Bombus terrestris which seems to be the most popular species sold for this purpose.​

In the same way as in the case of aquaculture, hypotheses of a causal effect from artificially raised forms to the decrease in wild forms are regularly brought forward. A typical example:

Bumble bee expert Dr. Robbin Thorp has hypothesized that wild populations of four closely related North American humble bees - ... - were infected with an introduced disease carried by commercially reared bumble bee colonies. In the early 1990's, Common Eastern and Western Bumble Bees were shipped to Europe and reared in the same facilities as the European Buff-tailed Bumble Bee, then returned to the U.S. for use as commercial pollinators. Dr. Thorp suggests that, while in Europe, the Common Eastern and Western Bumble Bees were exposed to a pathogen of the European Buff-tailed Bumble Bee for which they had no prior resistance. ... The close relationship of the bees in decline to the European Buff-tailed Bumble Bee, as well as the timing, speed and severity of the population crashes suggest that an escaped exotic disease organism may be the cause of these widespread losses.​

It is clear that within a purely materialist world view such an "exotic disease organism" seems to be the most likely explanation.

However, if we give up the prejudices of reductionist materialism (philosophically rooted in naive realism) and try out a pandualist world view, then we can easily recognize the true reason of the "timing, speed and severity of the population crashes":

Not the bumblebees which returned to the U.S. caused the decline in the wild, but those reared in the European (and in other) facilities, thus depleting the psychons of the wild populations.​

Maybe it will necessary to somehow (e.g. by legal means) limit the number of bumblebees in greenhouses in order not to further deplete the numbers of wild bumblebee populations.

Cheers, Wolfgang

For being unprejudiced one must always start fighting anew!
 
Worldwide production of honey from 1992 to 2012 according to UN Food & Agriculture Organization:

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Despite all the claims to the contrary, pollination by harvested bees has been continuously increasing. We conclude that decreasing honeybee populations in some regions/ countries must be paralleled by increasing populations in other regions/ countries.

Apart from using the same bee souls during northern-hemisphere winter in the southern hemisphere and vice versa (thus making unnecessary winter survival), also special varroa-mite breeding could increase bee pollination and honey production. (It is an empirical fact that animal breeding leads to a decrease in the corresponding not-bred populations (see).

Cheers, Wolfgang
 
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
Bees have bee souls.

Humans have human souls.

Whales have whale souls.

Bacteria have bacteria souls.

Those curious creatures that live at the edges of Black Smokers in the briney deeps have curious creatures that live at the edges of Black Smokers in the briney deeps souls.

Stars have star souls. (Apologies to Olaf Stapledon).

And Canadians have no souls. :sniff:
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We don't need them, we are polite anyway.
 
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