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Old 21st October 2008, 09:14 AM   #1
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Welcome to "The Crazy Years"?

I agree with Jim Campbell

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...the journalist launched personal attacks against Brazil's President, air traffic controllers and other notorious individuals and, repeatedly and piercingly, started offending Brazilians indiscriminately, as explained by Oscar Fleischfresser, one of the lawyers responsible for the lawsuit."
Now, publishing things on your blog that use "language which was, according to Rosane, offensive against all victims' families and Brazilians", is grounds so that you can be sued in a foreign court over things said in the US.

Considering that in the US, and most other counttries, the ATC's would be fired, and filing criminal charges against the surviving pilots unheard of, they (the Brazilians) have absolutely no leg to stand on.
BTW, they guy publishing these things was a survivor of the mid-air between the Embraer Legacy 600 and the Brazilian 737. He actually witnessed it happen.
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Old 21st October 2008, 10:16 AM   #2
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To Gutjhar's lawyer, that fact, in itself, would not be reproachable, but the journalist launched personal attacks against Brazil's President, air traffic controllers and other notorious individuals and, repeatedly and piercingly, started offending Brazilians indiscriminately, as explained by Oscar Fleischfresser, one of the lawyers responsible for the lawsuit.
The lawyer should be sued for assaulting the English language with run-on sentences.
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Old 21st October 2008, 10:24 AM   #3
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Oscar Fleischfresser? That's funny.
It means carnivore.
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Old 21st October 2008, 12:14 PM   #4
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More evidence of Heinlein's history..
http://startelegram.typepad.com/crim...-get-real.html

Sheesh. I though the US was the crazy people.
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Old 21st October 2008, 02:29 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by rwguinn View Post
More evidence of Heinlein's history..
http://startelegram.typepad.com/crim...-get-real.html

Sheesh. I though the US was the crazy people.
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Here's a link to the AP summary: Link

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"These virtual goods are goods (under Dutch law), so this is theft," the court said Tuesday in a summary of its ruling.
:-/

@mrbaracuda Beat me to it! It's like a character from a Molière play. How did he find the time to take this on between chasing ambulances?
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Old 21st October 2008, 02:41 PM   #6
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Here's a link to the AP summary: Link
It's a GAME fer ed's sake! We gonna file criminal charges for peeking at "Hide and Seek" next?
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@mrbaracuda Beat me to it! It's like a character from a Molière play. How did he find the time to take this on between chasing ambulances?
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Old 21st October 2008, 04:43 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by rwguinn View Post
It's a GAME fer ed's sake! We gonna file criminal charges for peeking at "Hide and Seek" next?
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I certainly find it odd that the judge convicted on the crime of theft. Without knowing more about the Dutch legal system and this case in particular, I can only speculate.

Perhaps it was because it involved computers and the judge wished to make an example, while not establishing a possible loophole for more serious crimes.

Or perhaps the prosecuting attorney was frustrated that a better case for harassment or assault couldn't be made so he went with the evidence he could present.
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Old 21st October 2008, 05:24 PM   #8
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At times I wonder if Heinlein was not on to something with his opinion that it was a grave mistake to allow somebody the right of franchise simply because he or she managed to avoid getting killed before reaching a certain age.
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Old 21st October 2008, 05:26 PM   #9
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One thing is sure, if he were still alive Heinlein would manage to piss off both the left and right in this country.
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Old 21st October 2008, 06:31 PM   #10
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I believe this is called the legal frontier, where no man has gone....

(that, and he old standby, "go for the deep pockets". She'll no doubt be suing the country's president, air traffic controllers, et al. as soon as she recovers from this suit.)

Monopoly gamers the world over need to keep an eye out for he cops.
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Old 21st October 2008, 08:49 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by shadron View Post
(that, and he old standby, "go for the deep pockets". She'll no doubt be suing the country's president, air traffic controllers, et al. as soon as she recovers from this suit.)
No worries: Fleischfresser, Esq., is on the case.



You might want to be aware that this is only the tip of the iceberg, as it were. There is also The Association of Relatives and Friends of Gol's Flight 1907, aka
Associação Familiares e Amigos Vôo 1907. Ligação (em português)
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Old 21st October 2008, 09:45 PM   #12
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Wait wait! Spider's been writing about the craziness for years!

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The...2100358/?itm=8

And still does: http://spiderrobinson.com/writings.html

Heinlein was Robinson's hero and mentor and collaborator on "Variable Star," expanding and finishing a partial RAH manuscript discovered a few years ago.
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Old 22nd October 2008, 07:22 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by rwguinn View Post
I agree with Jim Campbell
I am unable to find said blog or column there.
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The government should nationalize it! Socialized, single-payer video game development and sales now! More, cheaper, better games, right? Right?
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Originally Posted by Beerina View Post
I am unable to find said blog or column there.
It moved to here: http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...2-f43a2992c4f9&
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Old 22nd October 2008, 09:27 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Beerina View Post
I am unable to find said blog or column there.
Joe Sharkey's blog is currently located here:
http://sharkeyonbrazil.blogspot.com/

Most of the older blogs have been taken down by Mr. Sharkey himself because, as he alleges, of the massive abuse by commentators. A Google search for the archived blogs is possible, but tedious.

Several of the more salient entries are recorded in a Wikipedia entry, yet that is also being challenged:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Sharkey
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Old 22nd October 2008, 10:14 AM   #16
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One thing is sure, if he were still alive Heinlein would manage to piss off both the left and right in this country.
His thoughts still live in his books, however, so there's still a chance!

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Pathetic.

To be fair, though, the lawsuit is being brought in one of those backward-ass countries (read: essentially every country but the US) that allows the silencing of free speech due to hurt feelings.
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I certainly find it odd that the judge convicted on the crime of theft. Without knowing more about the Dutch legal system and this case in particular, I can only speculate.

Perhaps it was because it involved computers and the judge wished to make an example, while not establishing a possible loophole for more serious crimes.

Or perhaps the prosecuting attorney was frustrated that a better case for harassment or assault couldn't be made so he went with the evidence he could present.
The case in point involved two kids aged 13 and 14 who threatened another kid at knife-point and forced him to transfer his digital assets to their account. They were found guilty and sentenced to 360 hrs. community service.

Just desserts IMHO

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Originally Posted by Phaedrus74 View Post
The case in point involved two kids aged 13 and 14 who threatened another kid at knife-point and forced him to transfer his digital assets to their account. They were found guilty and sentenced to 360 hrs. community service.

Just desserts IMHO

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If that is the case, then good deal. But the conviction should be for Battery or intimidation, or some other act of violence, rather than mere "Theft"
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If that is the case, then good deal. But the conviction should be for Battery or intimidation, or some other act of violence, rather than mere "Theft"
I am not entirely sure what exactly they were convicted of, but if I remember correctly this would qualify as "diefstal met geweld" under the Dutch legal system which is somewhere in between armed robbery and extortion.
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus74 View Post
The case in point involved two kids aged 13 and 14 who threatened another kid at knife-point and forced him to transfer his digital assets to their account. They were found guilty and sentenced to 360 hrs. community service.

Just desserts IMHO

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That is not a "Derail" at all. Thanks for the info.
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And now this:

Woman jailed after 'killing' virtual husband

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The woman, who has been jailed on suspicion of illegally accessing a computer and manipulating electronic data, used his ID and password to log onto the popular interactive game "Maple Story" to carry out the virtual murder in May, a police official in the northern city of Sapporo said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of department policy.
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Wait wait! Spider's been writing about the craziness for years!

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The...2100358/?itm=8

And still does: http://spiderrobinson.com/writings.html

Heinlein was Robinson's hero and mentor and collaborator on "Variable Star," expanding and finishing a partial RAH manuscript discovered a few years ago.

I am not a big Spider Robinson fan. He is a mediocre at best Sci Fi writer who frankly, is living off his friendship with Heinlein. It is panifully obvious in "Variable Star" when Heinlein leaves off and Robinson begins.
I think Heinlein is one of the great Sci Fi Writers but I do not like the "Cult" that has formed around him. Heinlein was a great writer, but not a infallible source of truth. His accpetence of Social Darwinism is an example of where he was fallible.
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I am not a big Spider Robinson fan. He is a mediocre at best Sci Fi writer who frankly, is living off his friendship with Heinlein. It is panifully obvious in "Variable Star" when Heinlein leaves off and Robinson begins.
Yeah, Spider's not all that.

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I think Heinlein is one of the great Sci Fi Writers but I do not like the "Cult" that has formed around him. Heinlein was a great writer, but not a infallible source of truth. His accpetence of Social Darwinism is an example of where he was fallible.
I belong to no cults. I don't find anyone on the planet (alive or formerly alive), an infallible source of truth. So, in future, when I quote RAH--because I will quote him--it isn't as his lich groupie.

By the way, Heinlein actually wasn't all that great a writer. I simply find a lot in his works that makes sense, specifically his social commentary. But that doesn't mean there haven't been times I looked twice at what I was reading and suddenly hurled the book across the room, scaring the cat right through the dimensional walls of time and space.

Yeah, I have that power.
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More evidence of Heinlein's history..
aw someone beat me to the Heinlein ref.

These truly are the crazy years.

PS and oh btw: Heinlein WAS a great sci fi writer, but I enjoyed his social commentary as well (and in fact the 2 were very much intertwined...).

PS 2 and however: I abhor ANY kind of groupie. barf.
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