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ULTIMA1 said:
I have not been proven wrong, you have with the McCormick warehouse roof collapse.
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Yes you have, and no I have not. The building collapsed, but its foundation stayed intact, just like the twins. It's so fun and easy to prove you wrong with facts and evidence.

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ULTIMA1 said:
Thanks for proving you are totally irrelevant by trying to compare a warehouse roof collapse to a skyscaper complete collapse.
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You're the one who said no steel building collapsed from fire and I proved you wrong with facts and evidence.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
Yes you have, and no I have not.
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So let me get this straight, you are trying to compare a warehouse roof collapse to a multi story skyscaper complete collapse?:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Also the fact that the warehouse is steel and concrete and the other buildings mentioned are all steel?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Yes but would you say a buidling that burned for 19 hours would have more damage to the steel then a buidling that burned for just a couple hours?
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Was that the same building that had just had a hijacked plane slam into it beforehand?

Can you please state,exactly,why fire proofing is applied to steel framed structures?
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
Anyone else notice that beleivers fail to discuss that facts that the building burned for 19 hours and did not collapse.
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From the page I have linked to twice:

One Meridian Plaza, Philadelphia, USA — February 1991
One Meridian Plaza burned in Philadelphia on February 23-24, 1991. Eight floors of this 38-floor structure were consumed in the 19+ hour burn.

The crucial differences between this building and 7 World Trade:

  • The building had a significant structural difference from the WTC buildings. Although it was steel-framed and a tube-in-tube structure, one side of the internal "tube" was adjacent to the exterior wall.
  • One Meridian Plaza suffered no crippling structural damage at the onset of the fire. It had the full benefit of its structural design working to redistribute shifting loads.
  • The fire was always in "one place". It may have been on several floors, but the fire moved as a whole through the building. 7 World Trade had fires on many different floors.
  • The fire was only in the upper floors of the building. It started on floor 22 and worked its way to the 30th. The full weight of the building was never concentrated on the fire zones, as in WTC 7.
  • The fire was fought throughout its burn by a dedicated team. This building was the only priority of the team, but a power failure forced internal fire supression to be conducted by handlight alone.
  • Operational sprinklers finally stopped this fire. Inoperable sprinklers let this fire burn so long, but a separate system on the 30th floor was the final trump card.
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It is YOU who refuse to discuss this building.
 
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stateofgrace said:
Was that the same building that had just had a hijacked plane slam into it beforehand?
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boloboffin said:
From the page I have linked to twice:



It is YOU who refuse to discuss this building.
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Damage is damage weither it is caused by plane or by fire.

Also if you did any research you would know that the majority of reports have stated the plane impacts on the towers had no connection to the collapse.
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
So let me get this straight, you are trying to compare a warehouse roof collapse to a multi story skyscaper complete collapse?:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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For the second time no. I was proving you wrong.

ULTIMA1 said:
Also the fact that the warehouse is steel and concrete and the other buildings mentioned are all steel?
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Concrete handles better in fire than steel, that's why, in the Winsdor fire, the steel portion collapsed and the concrete portion stayed intact. Thanks for proving you know nothing about anything. And no, the WTC were not "all steel." It's getting boring proving you wrong all the time.
 
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dtugg said:
ULITMA1, do you still think that Daniel Nigro had WTC7 brought down and that he was somehow not part of the FDNY?
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So do you still believe this? If you don't I will take you out of my signature. Otherwise, I will leave it so that anybody who reads my posts can see your ignorance.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Damage is damage weither it is caused by plane or by fire.

Also if you did any research you would know that the majority of reports have stated the plane impacts on the towers had no connection to the collapse.
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Really? Care to support that claim?

Third time of asking why is fire proofing applied to steel framed stuctures?
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
1. The building did not collapse only the roof.

2. The buidling is not steel it is steel and concrete.
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1. The roof is the building, the building collapsed, and its foundation stayed up, just like the twins.

2. The world trade center was steel and concrete.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
For the second time no. I was proving you wrong.
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No you have not, why can't you grow upand be adult enough to admit you tried to compare a roof collapse to a building collapse?



Concrete handles better in fire than steel, that's why, in the Winsdor fire, the steel portion collapsed and the concrete portion stayed intact. Thanks for proving you know nothing about anything.
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Are the towers and building 7 steel only or steel and concrete. (please be adult enough to answer truthfully)
 
ULTIMA1 said:
No you have not, why can't you grow upand be adult enough to admit you tried to compare a roof collapse to a building collapse?





Are the towers and building 7 steel only or steel and concrete. (please be adult enough to answer truthfully)
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Please state, exactly, what part the concrete had in the structural support of the towers.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Damage is damage weither it is caused by plane or by fire.

Also if you did any research you would know that the majority of reports have stated the plane impacts on the towers had no connection to the collapse.
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Please read his post again.

I doubt at this point you care but you would realize why this statement just got stundied if you took the time to read his post.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
No you have not, why can't you grow upand be adult enough to admit you tried to compare a roof collapse to a building collapse?





Are the towers and building 7 steel only or steel and concrete. (please be adult enough to answer truthfully)
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Steel and Concrete, that's why twoofers say there wasn't enough energy in the collapse to "crush concrete." You are so uninformed it's boring.


www.911-strike.com/powder.htm
With roughly 600,000 tons of concrete in each WTC tower, the available energy from gravitational potential energy was only about 0.7 kwh per ton of concrete. However, given the uncertainty in the size of powder, the available energy is "in the ballpark".
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UNLoVedRebel said:
Steel and Concrete, that's why twoofers say there wasn't enough energy in the collapse to "crush concrete." You are so uninformed it's boring.
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How many times can you be wrong kid.

Do you know how to do research?

The towers were bult from steel, the only concrete was for the floors.
 
I wonder if ULTIMA1 has ever convinced anybody of anything in the many, many, many hours he has spent trolling the Internet.
 
I'm appalled that a handful of you are chasing this headless chicken around in an almost equally spasmodic manner.
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
Can you read, i never stated the towers had concrete?

I am asking soneone if the towers were made of steel only or steel and concrete.
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Again please state your understanding of exactly what part the concrete played in supporting the towers,(Hint...... the concrete was on the floor trusses).

It’s not a trick question, anybody who as taken the slightest bit of interest in the construction of these buildings would be able to answer.

Yes, the towers were made of steel and concrete; please state your understanding of the relationship between the two.

When you are ready.

Oh, forth time of asking, why are steel framed structures fire proofed?
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
No you have not, why can't you grow upand be adult enough to admit you tried to compare a roof collapse to a building collapse?
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The example isn't intended to be a structural comparative to the twin towers, nor is that what he is claiming. Any claim that involves "no steel structure has ever collapsed due to fire" or that "steel cannot fail in fire" is demonstrably proven false by the failure of the steel frame roof. If you think that steel is utterly indestructible in fire then you're choosing some very disappointing sources for your information on steel construction. I can judge from you many posts that you have not read one piece of literature from any one publication from an engineering website or resource.

Incidentally, you've just shown the same hypocrisy that redibis has been pointed out for having. You seem content to point out that the Kader toy factory, or other examples are constructed totally different than the towers yet you refuse to apply the same considerations for every other example you present. I would advise that you begin practicing what you preach and start researching real case studies of these buildings, rather than spend your days trolling with monumental jibberish to receive some kind of attention.

Are you adult enough to post a case study on the buildings you feel represent your case in point, and explain what parts of the comparative are relevant to the discussion at hand, or is trolling with ad hominems the only substance you care to offer? I'm interested in hearing your analysis, case studies detailing each of your examples should offer you substantial information which you can use, please feel free to make use of any you feel are relevant
 
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