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ChristineR
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Welcome AnaStacia. It isn't necessary to get 100% to be helpful. If Sylvia Browne could lead the police to even one missing child, alive or dead, she'd be making a contribution to the world. But she hasn't done it, ever, so far as we can find (and some of us have been looking pretty hard).
In fact there really isn't a single clear case where any psychic has done anything that could not also be done by cheating or by various non-psychic methods. But the people telling clients about tall dark and handsome men in their future are not inflicting the sort of horrible pain on people that Sylvia Browne does.
In fact there really isn't a single clear case where any psychic has done anything that could not also be done by cheating or by various non-psychic methods. But the people telling clients about tall dark and handsome men in their future are not inflicting the sort of horrible pain on people that Sylvia Browne does.
Personally, I would be convinced if one of them could correctly predict the results of only 20 coin tosses in a row.
Indeed. That would suffice for a 1 in a million chance event.
But she can't be right all of the time... I guess that copout doesn't always work. Then again, I'm not sure it ever did given that she isn't right any more than chance.
Are you really a Mormon athiest? What a facinating combo!!!
I see 1 in a million chance events constantly . . . and it's very annoying to someone who has always respected science . . . and was also introduced to James Randi as a child. He's the perfect "wizard" looking gentleman for children to learn from.
EeneyMinnieMoe
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Here's yet another case where she charged the family:
POLICE SEEK NEW LEADS IN 2002 KILLING OF LIVERMORE WOMAN;
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER ANNOUNCED $50,000 REWARD FOR INFORMATION THAT LEADS TO ARREST AND CONVICTION
BYLINE: ERIC LOUIE,, TIMES STAFF WRITER
SECTION: NEWS; Pg. A03
LENGTH: 923 words
DATELINE: LIVERMORE
LIVERMORE - Cecilia Garcia was on her way to Pleasanton for a morning doctor's appointment, a check-up after recently hitting her head on an elevator at work. The 24-year-old mother was supposed to call her boss for a ride afterward to her job at a payroll services company.
But Garcia never made it to the doctor's office that morning in 2002. Instead, family members found her dead in the shower stall of her Livermore home that afternoon, the victim of a homicide police are still trying to solve.
Last month, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger offered a $50,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in Garcia's killing.
"It's open, but we have no leads to pursue," said Livermore police investigations Sgt. Jim Suibielski. He said the department reviews the case for new developments every six months and will be doing so again this month.
"We don't ever let these go in a cold file," he said. "We know people know things and they're just not telling us."
Garcia, a Livermore native whose family's roots in the city go back generations, was found dead on Jan. 8, 2002, in the one-story Mayten Drive house she had moved into with her then-8-year-old daughter and dad just four months before. Police believe she was killed sometime between 11 a.m. and 4:45 p.m., when her body was found, according to police.
Family members said a friend was supposed to bring Garcia to the medical appointment, but, when the friend went to Garcia's house, the door was locked and there was no answer. Thinking Garcia got a ride some other way, the friend left. Family members said she often didn't lock her door, so friends could come in and wait for the often-running-late Garcia to get ready.
When people at Garcia's work started calling family to see where she was, they got worried. They normally talked to her frequently throughout the day by phone, so it was unusual not to be able to reach her.
Monica Leonis, Garcia's younger sister, went to the house and arrived just after their father, Willy Joe Garcia. He did not know Cecilia was missing.
Leonis heard the shower running; she and Willy Joe Garcia went to the bathroom. It was locked, which they said could have been done by locking it from the inside before leaving. It took them 15 to 20 minutes to get in.
"I already knew what was going to be behind that door," said Leonis, who doesn't remember much beyond that. Her dad picked up Cecilia, and said there were no signs someone had killed her. He also said it didn't appear anyone had forced themselves in.
Leonis said she thought her sister had an aneurysm, the same thing that killed their mother in 1996. Cecilia, the older of two girls, took care of her younger sister after their mom died.
Separately, Cecilia Garcia had complained the medication she was taking for her injury made her dizzy, though they later learned she had stopped taking it long enough before her death that it was no longer in her system.
The next day, police called to say Cecilia's death was no accident. Police initially reported Cecilia Garcia had drowned and had other undisclosed injuries. But since the case became a homicide investigation, police have never said publicly how they think she was killed.
The next six months, relatives said, was an emotional roller coaster. Police questioned them and laid out various theories of who was responsible, which fueled some infighting, vestiges of which remain to this day. The last theory posed by police, more than 2 1/2 years ago, was that someone whose romantic advances Garcia rebuffed may have killed her.
Regina Cortez, a cousin, said the people who prepared Garcia's body for the funeral noticed marks around her neck, and Leonis said she saw what appeared to be bruises on her face.
Police, meanwhile, are releasing little now that hasn't already been reported. A new investigator, Dale Jaynes, has since taken over the case.
Suibielski, who said Cecilia Garcia did not have a criminal background, said "people of interest" have been interviewed. She was not sexually assaulted, he said. He said the Mayten Drive neighborhood, with its older one-story houses, is not considered a bad one.
Suibielski said the case does not appear related to other unsolved killings in Livermore, where victims were also found inside their homes.
Meanwhile, family members are still hoping for some type of closure. They continue to pass out fliers. They had also called "America's Most Wanted" and Montel Williams' television show trying to get publicity, and they paid psychic Sylvia Browne $700 for help.
They said they can't understand why someone would hurt Cecilia Garcia, a fashion trendsetter who lived by the motto "Always late but worth the wait," which she had on a wooden sign. They said she was liked by everyone.
"If you didn't like her, you didn't meet her," said Regina Cortez.
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http://www.lexisnexis.com.proxy.wex...2&treeMax=true&treeWidth=0&csi=313958&docNo=2
Edit: It's worh mentioning that Ms. Garcia was killed in 2002 and so it would be reasonable to assume that Sylvia was paid that same year. The very same year she tried to charge Hornbeck's parents.
POLICE SEEK NEW LEADS IN 2002 KILLING OF LIVERMORE WOMAN;
GOV. SCHWARZENEGGER ANNOUNCED $50,000 REWARD FOR INFORMATION THAT LEADS TO ARREST AND CONVICTION
BYLINE: ERIC LOUIE,, TIMES STAFF WRITER
SECTION: NEWS; Pg. A03
LENGTH: 923 words
DATELINE: LIVERMORE
LIVERMORE - Cecilia Garcia was on her way to Pleasanton for a morning doctor's appointment, a check-up after recently hitting her head on an elevator at work. The 24-year-old mother was supposed to call her boss for a ride afterward to her job at a payroll services company.
But Garcia never made it to the doctor's office that morning in 2002. Instead, family members found her dead in the shower stall of her Livermore home that afternoon, the victim of a homicide police are still trying to solve.
Last month, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger offered a $50,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in Garcia's killing.
"It's open, but we have no leads to pursue," said Livermore police investigations Sgt. Jim Suibielski. He said the department reviews the case for new developments every six months and will be doing so again this month.
"We don't ever let these go in a cold file," he said. "We know people know things and they're just not telling us."
Garcia, a Livermore native whose family's roots in the city go back generations, was found dead on Jan. 8, 2002, in the one-story Mayten Drive house she had moved into with her then-8-year-old daughter and dad just four months before. Police believe she was killed sometime between 11 a.m. and 4:45 p.m., when her body was found, according to police.
Family members said a friend was supposed to bring Garcia to the medical appointment, but, when the friend went to Garcia's house, the door was locked and there was no answer. Thinking Garcia got a ride some other way, the friend left. Family members said she often didn't lock her door, so friends could come in and wait for the often-running-late Garcia to get ready.
When people at Garcia's work started calling family to see where she was, they got worried. They normally talked to her frequently throughout the day by phone, so it was unusual not to be able to reach her.
Monica Leonis, Garcia's younger sister, went to the house and arrived just after their father, Willy Joe Garcia. He did not know Cecilia was missing.
Leonis heard the shower running; she and Willy Joe Garcia went to the bathroom. It was locked, which they said could have been done by locking it from the inside before leaving. It took them 15 to 20 minutes to get in.
"I already knew what was going to be behind that door," said Leonis, who doesn't remember much beyond that. Her dad picked up Cecilia, and said there were no signs someone had killed her. He also said it didn't appear anyone had forced themselves in.
Leonis said she thought her sister had an aneurysm, the same thing that killed their mother in 1996. Cecilia, the older of two girls, took care of her younger sister after their mom died.
Separately, Cecilia Garcia had complained the medication she was taking for her injury made her dizzy, though they later learned she had stopped taking it long enough before her death that it was no longer in her system.
The next day, police called to say Cecilia's death was no accident. Police initially reported Cecilia Garcia had drowned and had other undisclosed injuries. But since the case became a homicide investigation, police have never said publicly how they think she was killed.
The next six months, relatives said, was an emotional roller coaster. Police questioned them and laid out various theories of who was responsible, which fueled some infighting, vestiges of which remain to this day. The last theory posed by police, more than 2 1/2 years ago, was that someone whose romantic advances Garcia rebuffed may have killed her.
Regina Cortez, a cousin, said the people who prepared Garcia's body for the funeral noticed marks around her neck, and Leonis said she saw what appeared to be bruises on her face.
Police, meanwhile, are releasing little now that hasn't already been reported. A new investigator, Dale Jaynes, has since taken over the case.
Suibielski, who said Cecilia Garcia did not have a criminal background, said "people of interest" have been interviewed. She was not sexually assaulted, he said. He said the Mayten Drive neighborhood, with its older one-story houses, is not considered a bad one.
Suibielski said the case does not appear related to other unsolved killings in Livermore, where victims were also found inside their homes.
Meanwhile, family members are still hoping for some type of closure. They continue to pass out fliers. They had also called "America's Most Wanted" and Montel Williams' television show trying to get publicity, and they paid psychic Sylvia Browne $700 for help.
They said they can't understand why someone would hurt Cecilia Garcia, a fashion trendsetter who lived by the motto "Always late but worth the wait," which she had on a wooden sign. They said she was liked by everyone.
"If you didn't like her, you didn't meet her," said Regina Cortez.
...
http://www.lexisnexis.com.proxy.wex...2&treeMax=true&treeWidth=0&csi=313958&docNo=2
Edit: It's worh mentioning that Ms. Garcia was killed in 2002 and so it would be reasonable to assume that Sylvia was paid that same year. The very same year she tried to charge Hornbeck's parents.
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Questioninggeller
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You're right. Just a few days before the Hornbeck story broke:
You can buy/read the article here: Contra Costa Times
You can buy/read the article here: Contra Costa Times