How do Truthers usually explain away the lack of whistle blowers or a papertrail?

[Arus808]

Originally Posted by Algebra34

You haven't explained away one whistle blower. Not one. Does it hurt? And that's not even all of them.

Yeah, Sibel Emdmonds has been discussed here many times. Her testimony isn't even considered a "whistle blower" because she has been shown to be a MEDIA attention seeking idiot. For someone who claims to be under a gag order, SHE SURE TALKS to the media alot.

Oh and she was hired after 9/11/2001 - so what does her testimony prove? That after 9/11/2001 when the FBI was scrambling to get stuff translated that came in before 9/11/2001 in a backlog that there was discussion of plans by Al Quaeda ?

Oh gee...

[Algebra34]

How do debunkers explain away whistle blowers?

They pretend they aren't there.

[DGM]

Originally Posted by Algebra34

How do debunkers explain away whistle blowers?

They pretend they aren't there.

Have you produced a credible one?

[Algebra34]

Originally Posted by DGM

Have you produced a credible one?

Not one you can see with your hands over your ears, your eyes closed, screaming... TWOOFER TWOOFER TWOOFER!!!!

[DGM]

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Not one you can see with your hands over your ears, your eyes closed, screaming... TWOOFER TWOOFER TWOOFER!!!!

So should I take it you can't produce one?

[aggle-rithm]

Originally Posted by vinniem

That didn't work with the Manhattan Project did it?

Thousands worked on that project and it was not leaked.

Yes...it was. There was a Soviet spy working on the project.

When Truman became President, Stalin knew more about the Manhattan project than he did.

[aggle-rithm]

Originally Posted by vinniem

That link has nothing to do with the Manhattan project, and the guy in question was a SPY. Did anyone who wasn't a spy leak secrets?

PLease back up your claim that stalin got regular reports about the manhattan project from a non-spy.

If the Manhattan Project had to be kept secret in perpetuity AFTER the bomb was dropped, then that would be a problem. Some of the guilt-ridden scientists would surely have come forward after seeing the destruction in Japan.

If 9/11 were an inside job, then no one would EVER be able to divulge anything.

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

If the Manhattan Project had to be kept secret in perpetuity AFTER the bomb was dropped, then that would be a problem. Some of the guilt-ridden scientists would surely have come forward after seeing the destruction in Japan.

If 9/11 were an inside job, then no one would EVER be able to divulge anything.

Algebra is profoundly ignorant of the biographies and various motivations of the several people that did pass information to the Soviets during the war.

[Poetry Hound]

Not only have none of the inside jobby jobbers come forward or leaked anything, but where are all the demo experts, highrise structural engineers, metallurgists, physicists, fire protection engineers, etc. in whose professional judgment the towers were likely CD'ed?

Are they all afraid of being assassinated by the CIA? Don't they want to be rewarded with government contracts the way Van Romero was?

[jmh423]

Originally Posted by parky76

who bought the thermite?

who supplied it?

who installed it?

who activated it?

who let the thermite get in and be installed?

9-11 Truthers have NO answers. 9-11 Truthers have NO hope.

Urban Moving Systems-Weehawken NJ by way of Tel-Aviv

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by jmh423

Urban Moving Systems-Weehawken NJ by way of Tel-Aviv

And you have proof to back this up?

Or can you not talk about anything without trying to drag the jews into it?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by Algebra34

Not one you can see with your hands over your ears, your eyes closed, screaming... TWOOFER TWOOFER TWOOFER!!!!

You didn't answer the question.

[jmh423]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

And you have proof to back this up?

Or can you not talk about anything without trying to drag the jews into it?

I suppose it was my fault that Mossad agents were arrested after several witnesses reported that they were filming the attack then cheering and celebrating while 3000 Americans were blown to bits. "It is very good"..(B. Netanyahu 9-12-01). Let's find out who "dragged" these aholes over here and paid them. It sure wasn't me. To point out this fact is makes me an "anti-semite", right champ? The witnesses and the NJ State Police....anti-semites....Sword of ????

Thanks

[jmh423]

Originally Posted by Poetry Hound

Not only have none of the inside jobby jobbers come forward or leaked anything, but where are all the demo experts, highrise structural engineers, metallurgists, physicists, fire protection engineers, etc. in whose professional judgment the towers were likely CD'ed?

Are they all afraid of being assassinated by the CIA? Don't they want to be rewarded with government contracts the way Van Romero was?

Hound

You'll love it here...Everyone except me and a couple others thinks EXACTLY like you...What took you so long?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by jmh423

I suppose it was my fault that Mossad agents [...]

Heh... It seems beyond your ability to grasp that "backing up" one claim with even more unsubstantiated claims is a completely buffoonish activity.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by jmh423

Hound

You'll love it here...Everyone except me and a couple others thinks EXACTLY like you...What took you so long?

There are no whistle blowers because 911 truth only has delusions based on hearsay, lies and failed opinions.

Watergate is a great example of a conspiracy exposed in short order; after 8 years all 911 truth has is fictional videos, fictional books, delusional DVDs and 8 years of nothing but crying about debunkers for the loyal followers of 911 lies from 911 truth.

911 truth is worse then the UFO nuts.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by jmh423

I suppose it was my fault that Mossad agents were arrested after several witnesses reported that they were filming the attack then cheering and celebrating while 3000 Americans were blown to bits. "It is very good"..(B. Netanyahu 9-12-01). Let's find out who "dragged" these aholes over here and paid them. It sure wasn't me. To point out this fact is makes me an "anti-semite", right champ? The witnesses and the NJ State Police....anti-semites....Sword of ????

Thanks

I asked for something very simple and you refuse to give it.

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I suppose it was my fault that Mossad agents

They were not MOSSAD agents, that lie is your fault.

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were arrested after several witnesses reported that they were filming the attack

EVERYONE in NYC and North New Jersey was filming the attack. After the first plane hit, every camera, handy-cam, cellphone and any device that takes in and records visible light in Manhattan and across the bay was pointed at the twin towers.

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then cheering and celebrating while 3000 Americans were blown to bits.

There is no record of this. The only reports of it are all third hand. No one has been found who can verify that they were celebrating.

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"It is very good"..(B. Netanyahu 9-12-01).

Churchill celebrated Pearl harbor. It meant the Americans were now in the fight and on their side. Another country being attacked by a common usually means they will be stronger friends and allies against that enemy with your country.

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The witnesses...

What witnesses?

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and the NJ State Police.

No NJ State police officer saw any "jews" dancing or celebrating the attacks.

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To point out this fact is makes me an "anti-semite", right champ? ...anti-semites....Sword of ????

You didn't point out any facts. And yes... your blaming the jews when there is no evidence they are involved (aliong with your support of Holocaust denier Craig "Killtown" Lazo) makes you an anti-semite.

Now... I'm going to ask you again what I asked before; what is your proof that the magic thermite was produced in Tel Aviv and brought into the country by Urban Moving Systems-Weehawken NJ?

[TruthersLie]

Originally Posted by jmh423

I suppose it was my fault that Mossad agents were arrested after several witnesses reported that they were filming the attack then cheering and celebrating while 3000 Americans were blown to bits. "It is very good"..(B. Netanyahu 9-12-01). Let's find out who "dragged" these aholes over here and paid them. It sure wasn't me. To point out this fact is makes me an "anti-semite", right champ? The witnesses and the NJ State Police....anti-semites....Sword of ????

Thanks

Ah yes... the 5 dancing israeli's crap.

1. they were arrested because their demenor didn't match what the woman thought it should have. They weren't dancing or cheering. No proof of that claim.
2. If they were there to film the event, why did they show up AFTER the attacks happened?

Nice try chump... you really should do at leat 5 minutes of real research champ.

[vinniem]

Originally Posted by jmh423

I suppose it was my fault that Mossad agents were arrested after several witnesses reported that they were filming the attack then cheering and celebrating while 3000 Americans were blown to bits. "It is very good"..(B. Netanyahu 9-12-01). Let's find out who "dragged" these aholes over here and paid them. It sure wasn't me. To point out this fact is makes me an "anti-semite", right champ? The witnesses and the NJ State Police....anti-semites....Sword of ????

Thanks

Don't forget the israeli art students and their connections to the Gelitin B-thing project and Nico Haupt, via Harris.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by vinniem

Don't forget the israeli art students and their connections to the Gelitin B-thing project and Nico Haupt, via Harris.

Lol! Nico's in on it? Your paranoia truly knows no bounds.

Booga! Booga! Booga!

[vinniem]

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

Lol! Nico's in on it? Your paranoia truly knows no bounds.

Booga! Booga! Booga!

I go where the evidence leads. Nico and gelitin were both sponsored by Harris. I don't think Nico was involved in the attacks but his involvement in the cover up is proven.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by vinniem

I don't think Nico was involved in the attacks but his involvement in the cover up is proven.

I'd like to see that proof after jmh shows us the paper trail for that magic thermite.

[Tinfoil Hater]

Originally Posted by vinniem

I go where the evidence leads. Nico and gelitin were both sponsored by Harris. I don't think Nico was involved in the attacks but his involvement in the cover up is proven.

Do you have proof, or are you just pulling this wild theory out of your anus?

[Scott Sommers]

No, no, Truther vinnie's got it all right. 911 Truth is the issue that's dividing America. The evidence is clear and everyone understands it. Thousands of professionals, including architects, engineers, lawyers, and firefighters support of the fight against the oppression that slaughters thousands in the streets.

Now we have proof that Isreal and the International Jewish Conspiracy was the real force behind the 911 attacks. It's only a matter of time until more proof shows links between the thermite from the attacks, the cruise missles used in attacks on the Pentagon, and the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre. I wouldn't be surprised if all the passengers from United 93 all end turn up in a kibbutz.

Keep up all this great stuff. Where else would could we find out about the real world government?

[vinniem]

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

Do you have proof, or are you just pulling this wild theory out of your anus?

I haven't posted a theory. The facts are that a group of artists known as "Gelitin" were living on the 91st floor of the wtc. They are photographed taking windows out and building a balcony. They are also shown with hundreds of boxes of something with them on the 91 st floor. Those artists were sponsored by a guy called Harris. Nico Haupt came to work for Harris in New York. Nico is now an obvious disruptor in the truth movement, daubing feces and swastikas on a church and attacking WAC members in the street while the NYPD look on and do nothing.

Then we have the israeli art students who were trying to get access to government buildings and were found to be moving large amounts of cash and living very close to several of the 911 hijackers.

One of the men arrested, Hanan Serfaty, was listed as being a part of the World Views art program, that was on the 90th and 91st floors of the wtc.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by vinniem

They are photographed taking windows out and building a balcony.

http://artoftheprank.com/2007/08/02/...ng-by-gelitin/

[Tinfoil Hater]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

And you have proof to back this up?

Or can you not talk about anything without trying to drag the jews into it?

With these Truthers, they ALWAYS come back to blaming the Jews...

[vinniem]

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

http://artoftheprank.com/2007/08/02/...ng-by-gelitin/

What about Serfaty? I assume you think it is just coincidence that he was arrested in an israeli spy investigation, and it turned out he had lived a few blocks away from Atta, in TWO different cities. Serfaty was clearly watching Atta. He also had bank reciepts for 100,000's of dollars of transactions. And he was connected with the Lower Manhatten Cultural Council arts activities that were happening in the wtc.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by vinniem

[...] it turned out he had lived a few blocks away from Atta, in TWO different cities.

At the same time? I already know the answer, so you better do your research. Your **** stinks enough as it is.

[Tinfoil Hater]

Originally Posted by vinniem

What about Serfaty? I assume you think it is just coincidence that he was arrested in an israeli spy investigation, and it turned out he had lived a few blocks away from Atta, in TWO different cities. Serfaty was clearly watching Atta. He also had bank reciepts for 100,000's of dollars of transactions. And he was connected with the Lower Manhatten Cultural Council arts activities that were happening in the wtc.

Is your tinfoil hat on a bit too tight?

[vinniem]

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

Is your tinfoil hat on a bit too tight?

Care to address the information?

[Tinfoil Hater]

Originally Posted by vinniem

Care to address the information?

You need to provide proof to back up your claims...

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by vinniem

Care to address the information?

Yes. How about that, hmm?

Originally Posted by vinniem

[...] it turned out he had lived a few blocks away from Atta, in TWO different cities.

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

At the same time? I already know the answer, so you better do your research. Your **** stinks enough as it is.

[vinniem]

Originally Posted by Titanic Explorer

You need to provide proof to back up your claims...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...nts/index.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/18/ny...qualities.html

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.11/luvvy_pr.html

http://gawker.com/5348487/josh-harri...autionary-tale

The above link is very interesting. Apparently, Harris admitted that the FBI investigated him regarding 911.

[Baylor]

Originally Posted by vinniem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...nts/index.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/18/ny...qualities.html

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.11/luvvy_pr.html

http://gawker.com/5348487/josh-harri...autionary-tale

The above link is very interesting. Apparently, Harris admitted that the FBI investigated him regarding 911.

Thank you I will take a look at your links. I never welcomed you to the forum so accept my late welcome. This forum is up to the teeth in talent, I think you'll enjoy it. But sometimes talentless people with fat wives sign up here just to troll, like a previously banned member, Homeland Insurgency.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by vinniem

http://gawker.com/5348487/josh-harri...autionary-tale

The above link is very interesting. Apparently, Harris admitted that the FBI investigated him regarding 911.

Wow... here is the actual line you referred to:

"[He] Is also delusional. Salkin experienced Harris' insanity first hand when Harris explained that he thinks the F.B.I. went after him for being connected to 9/11."

The article makes it clear Josh Harris is crazy and sees things that aren't there.


And you have been caught lying again, Vinnie.

[vinniem]

What did I lie about? Harris says the FBI investigated him for 911, that is a fact that he said that. An articles opinion of his state of mind is irrelevant.


While we are on the subject of whistleblowers, how does this forum feel about Lt. Cl. Anthony Shaeffer and his able danger allegations? Rather strange that the 911 commission didn't mention Able Danger wasn't it?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by vinniem

What did I lie about? Harris says the FBI investigated him for 911, that is a fact that he said that.

You implied that he actually was.

When in fact, (presumably) having read the article, you knew his belief was the result of his poor mental health.

You lied like a truther, Vinnie.

[vinniem]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

You implied that he actually was.

When in fact, (presumably) having read the article, you knew his belief was the result of his poor mental health.

You lied like a truther, Vinnie.

I am afraid that is one accusation too many.

I will be putting you on ignore until I receive your apology.

[332nd]

Originally Posted by vinniem

I go where the evidence leads.

If that were true you wouldn't be a truther.

Originally Posted by vinniem

What about Serfaty? I assume you think it is just coincidence that he was arrested in an israeli spy investigation, and it turned out he had lived a few blocks away from Atta, in TWO different cities. Serfaty was clearly watching Atta. He also had bank reciepts for 100,000's of dollars of transactions. And he was connected with the Lower Manhatten Cultural Council arts activities that were happening in the wtc.

Yes I think it was a coincidence. Because I was born and raised in Reidsville NC, since I've turned 18 I've lived in Charlotte NC, New York NY, Ft Lewis WA, Ft Campbell KY, Greensboro NC, Hartford CT, Tallahassee FL, Chicago IL, Manteca CA, and Modesto CA. In all but one of those cities I've met someone who knew my Mother or Father. Dismissing Charlotte and Greensboro, that's six cities that are very far apart yet I still met them. Either my parents were spies that had their CIA/NSA/FBI buddies watch me, or it was a coincidence.

What do you think is more likely?