Michael Mozina
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We have already seen convincing evidence that fundamental thermodynamics does not allow for the possibility of an iron crust of any kind.
No, we have not. If that were "convincing evidence", by your same logic the photosphere should radiate at millions of degrees just like the corona or 20K degrees like the chromosphere. The layers under the photosphere are cooler and more dense than the photosphere.
We have also seen no rational counterpoint to this argument from either brantc (who favors a solid, rigid surface), or Mozina (who favors a less solid & rigid crust of some ill-defined sort).
How is "a standard volcanic surface" ill-defined?
It is apparent that the whole "mountain" story is simply an optical illusion, where the brain creates mountains out of pure imagination, given a few hints from suggestive lighting.
It's "optically created" in the sense the lighting changes from moment to moment but the "patterns", and specifically the "persistence" of these "rigid features" is no optical illusion. That persistence is specifically related to the surface features that spawn that light/dark emission pattern in the original and the RD images.
Some here have likened it to "seeing bunny rabbits in the clouds",
That's your way of being extremely offensive. Bunnies in the clouds move over time, particularly if we dropped a huge bomb in the atmosphere at that location. They wouldn't remain "rigid" and "persistent" over time. They'd move around like that "flying stuff" seen in the image right after the CME that GM keeps denying is there.
Then provide a "better" scientific explanation" for the persistence of the features over time, both in the RD and Doppler images.and I don't doubt that is what Mozina is in fact doing, imagining mountains where none really are.
Since fundamental physics does not seem to sway the bias of the True Believer, perhaps another image to counter Mozina's images? Mozina identifies this as Active Region 9143, his image above dated 28 Aug 2000. The structures he identifies as mountains are in fact simply magnetic field loops.
The magnetic fields are directly related to the coronal loops and the layout and movement of the loops, and yes they can be seen in both the original and RD images.
While Mozina's image looks essentially straight down onto the "mountains", other images show the same active region near the limb of the sun. In this viewing geometry, we should see the "mountains" in relief along the rim of the sun; we should be looking at the faces of the slopes of the mountains. But see 171Å Image dated 25 Aug 2000, which clearly shows the magnetic field loops and no sign of mountains in relief anywhere. Furthermore, see the Quicktime movie of the same view of the same region, showing a flare eruption. You can see that the loops are really loops, changing with time, and not static, as one would expect for mountains misinterpreted as loops.
I can see the original image, but not the Quicktime movie on this particular machine for some reason (Windows 7?), but I would imagine it to show all sorts of movements and absorption patterns, certainly not rigid surface features. From the side, looking into the atmosphere we can observe tornado like activity in the solar atmosphere as well. It's a moving and dynamic environment.
http://trace.lmsal.com/Public/Gallery/Images/movies/T171_991127.mov
I can't see that movie on this machine either, but I'm pretty sure it's the one I'm thinking of. It shows "twister" like activity in the atmosphere. The whole thing is very dynamic and flows with the coronal loop activity.
The only way I'm going to get to this post today is to split it up and probably respond fully after work hours.
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