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sol invictus said:
Then your model is almost certainly ruled out by opacity alone. As I've shown, the only way 1000s of km of plasma might be transparent to 171A photons is if less than .000001 of the Ne is in any of the first, second, or third ionization states. Even then, I suspect it would still be opaque - but I can't check until you give me a scenario in which such a thing is physically possible.



Then you don't have a model - it's as simple as that. Just wild conjecture.
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There are NO (zero, none, nada, zip) ions in a low energy state inside the photosphere. That's the standard model's problem not mine. All the neon is at *LEAST* +4 or better and any reionization necessary will occur due to current flow long before a photon gets involved.

No electric solar model is threatened by these images. No non electric solar model can explain them. It's as simple as that.
 
Michael Mozina said:
There are NO (zero, none, nada, zip) ions in a low energy state inside the photosphere.
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How do you know that, Michael?

If you're simply going to declare it by fiat, we're done - I can't calculate anything, because as far as I can tell that assertion is inconsistent with the laws of physics. It's certainly inconsistent with thermodynamics.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I could test this transparent completely ionized Ne plasma bunny in a lab.
 
sol invictus said:
How do you know that, Michael?
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Because I believe what I see with my own eyes and what I see is simply not possible unless the ions are all in a highly energetic state and the current flows sustains that high energy state. It's called "process of elimination" and "postdicting a fit". You guys/gals do it all the time, so don't even think about bitching at me for that trick.

If you're simply going to declare it by fiat, we're done - I can't calculate anything, because as far as I can tell that assertion is inconsistent with the laws of physics. It's certainly inconsistent with thermodynamics.
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No, it's entirely consistent (predicted) by electric sun theories where the voltages tend to be in the 10^10 range and the discharge between the sphere and the heliosphere is continuous.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I could test this transparent completely ionized Ne plasma bunny in a lab.
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Personally I'd start right where Birkeland left off. No need to reinvent the wheel, you'll just need 21st century gear and high tech it up a bit. Please don't stick your nose up to the glass as he did. That certainly didn't improve his physical health and I highly recommend you stay well away from it while it's in "operation".
 
Michael Mozina said:
What the hell are you talking about? I said 7200 is likely, 10,000KM max. You're off by a whole OOM!
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Nope, you're wrong again. I'm sure some of these other folks understand. You're demonstrating once again that you're unqualified to do any sort of simple solar imagery analysis and grade school math. But no need to throw a tantrum. :p
 
FYI I have known that the NEON and SILICON were in a highly energetic state from day one based on the SERTS data. There are just too many neon lines at too many different temperatures and intensities for them all to be related to coronal loops. Once I figured that out, everything else was a piece of cake.
 
Michael Mozina said:
Because I believe what I see with my own eyes and what I see is simply not possible unless the ions are all in a highly energetic state and the current flows sustains that high energy state. It's called "process of elimination" and "postdicting a fit". You guys/gals do it all the time, so don't even think about bitching at me for that trick.
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Speak for yourself.

So just to emphasize that - you know all the Ne atoms must be at least quadruply ionized, because if not your model is wrong.

Are you aware that falsifiability is the primary characteristic that makes science science, and differentiates it from religion?

No, it's entirely consistent (predicted) by electric sun theories where the voltages tend to be in the 10^10 range and the discharge between the sphere and the heliosphere is continuous.
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Now we're getting somewhere. Please clarify that.

Are you saying there is a voltage difference of around 10^10V between the (iron?) sphere and the heliosphere? If so, can I model that by taking your Ne plasma and imposing a voltage of 10^10V across some thickness of it? What thickness?

Personally I'd start right where Birkeland left off. No need to reinvent the wheel, you'll just need 21st century gear and high tech it up a bit. Please don't stick your nose up to the glass as he did. That certainly didn't improve his physical health and I highly recommend you stay well away from it while it's in "operation".
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I don't know anything about Birekeland's experiment. Suppose I research it and discover that a few m, or km, of the plasma he used is opaque to 171A radiation. Would that falsify your model?
 
Where does the current from your impossible iron crust come from

Michael Mozina said:
I have told you sol. I believe it is mostly highly ionized neon with hydrogen and electrons running through it with oxygen and all the other solar wind items in it. All of them are *highly* ionized by the current flow from the surface crust to the heliosphere and through the neon photosphere.
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Michael Mozina,
This sounds like you think that the ~7200 kilometer thick plasma layer above your impossible iron crust is fully ionized (i.e. every atom in it of whatever element has been stripped of at leat 1 electron) because there is a current flowing from the crust to the photosphere and perhaps further.

Where does this current come from and how big is it?

Remember that if this current creates a charge of more than 77 Coulombs on the Sun then the Sun will explode (On the global electrostatic charge of stars).
 
Michael Mozina said:
FYI I have known that the NEON and SILICON were in a highly energetic state from day one based on the SERTS data.
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FYI You have been deluded if you think that ALL of the IRON, SILICON, POTASSIUM, OXYGEN, ARGON, NICKEL, HELIUM, SULFUR, ZINC, MAGNESIUM, ALUMINUM, CHROMIUM. CALCIUM, COBALT, SODIUM, MANGANESE, TITANIUM, NEON and CARBON were in a highly energetic state from day one based on the SERTS data.

The SERTS data is the light emitted by the ionized IRON, SILICON, POTASSIUM, OXYGEN, ARGON, NICKEL, HELIUM, SULFUR, ZINC, MAGNESIUM, ALUMINUM, CHROMIUM. CALCIUM, COBALT, SODIUM, MANGANESE, TITANIUM, NEON and CARBON.

It says nothing about the non-ionized IRON, SILICON, POTASSIUM, OXYGEN, ARGON, NICKEL, HELIUM, SULFUR, ZINC, MAGNESIUM, ALUMINUM, CHROMIUM. CALCIUM, COBALT, SODIUM, MANGANESE, TITANIUM, NEON and CARBON.
 
sol invictus said:
Speak for yourself.

So just to emphasize that - you know all the Ne atoms must be at least quadruply ionized, because if not your model is wrong.

Are you aware that falsifiability is the primary characteristic that makes science science, and differentiates it from religion?
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Yep. That's why I "predicted" we'd find iron lines under that "opaque" math bunny. :) That is also why I "predict' that if we observed the sun in Ne+3 or +4 we would observe the surface of the photosphere, not just coronal activity. Prediction and falsification is the name of the game and so far Birkeland's model is doing just fine.

Now we're getting somewhere. Please clarify that.

Are you saying there is a voltage difference of around 10^10V between the (iron?) sphere and the heliosphere?
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Let me start some coffee and poke around Birkeland's material. IMO Birkeland's work is better suited to this topic. I'll round up some real numbers for you now.

If so, can I model that by taking your Ne plasma and imposing a voltage of 10^10V across some thickness of it? What thickness?
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Let's start with 2000Km for the neon. I'll pick up the difference in silicon.

I don't know anything about Birekeland's experiment. Suppose I research it and discover that a few m, or km, of the plasma he used is opaque to 171A radiation. Would that falsify your model?
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That *he* used? Oh, I'm sure his plasma was opaque to that wavelength. He didn't work with 10^10 voltages.
 
sol invictus said:
Then your model is almost certainly ruled out by opacity alone. As I've shown, the only way 1000s of km of plasma might be transparent to 171A photons is if less than .000001 of the Ne is in any of the first, second, or third ionization states. Even then, I suspect it would still be opaque - but I can't check until you give me a scenario in which such a thing is physically possible.
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You'd better rule out Ne VIII too, and O IV, Al III, Na V, F IV---all of which resonantly absorb the 171.07 nm iron line. And you're not merely excluding Ne I, Ne II, Ne III at the 99.9999% level (to dodge photoionization), you'd better be excluding all other neutrals, +1 ions, and +2 ions whatsoever, at the 99.9999% level or better. Man, that's some weird plasma you're promising to cook up.

When you figure out whether that is possible, you can get to work figuring out how to simultaneously emit 6000K blackbody radiation, and to have some of that radiation re-absorbed in a vast forest of spectral lines. (Spectral lines of exactly the sort of atoms and molecules that absorb 171A light really quickly.)
 
ben m said:
You'd better rule out Ne VIII too, and O IV, Al III, Na V, F IV---all of which resonantly absorb the 171.07 nm iron line. And you're not merely excluding Ne I, Ne II, Ne III at the 99.9999% level (to dodge photoionization), you'd better be excluding all other neutrals, +1 ions, and +2 ions whatsoever, at the 99.9999% level or better. Man, that's some weird plasma you're promising to cook up.
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Highly ionized plasma stew. :)

When you figure out whether that is possible, you can get to work figuring out how to simultaneously emit 6000K blackbody radiation, and to have some of that radiation re-absorbed in a vast forest of spectral lines. (Spectral lines of exactly the sort of atoms and molecules that absorb 171A light really quickly.)
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I owe sol first. He's been patient with me today. The rest of you can wait your turn. :)
 
GeeMack said:
So you've blown away main stream solar theory by looking at a picture that you don't even understand, declaring things to be true that you can't even explain in an objective way, and here you are whining about it on an Internet forum instead of emailing those real scientists at LMSAL to tell them of your amazing discovery?

Oh, have the folks at LMSAL taken you off their spam block list, yet? :D
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It seems he is trying to undermine conventional science by using pictures that could only be gotten by conventional science.
 
Michael Mozina said:
I have told you sol. I believe it is mostly highly ionized neon with hydrogen and electrons running through it with oxygen and all the other solar wind items in it. All of them are *highly* ionized by the current flow from the surface crust to the heliosphere and through the neon photosphere. I really don't know how to pull "better" information out of a hat. There are not many metals in the neon layer because the neon layer is evidently far higher in the atmosphere than even I realized until seeing the SDO images for the first time. That little issue blew me away and was at least another 1200 kilometers beyond my wildest dreams. :) I'm tickled pink, but it may cause me to rethink the numbers a bit. Suffice to say the loops provide the high energy ions and most of the heavier elements are concentrated inside the loops, evidently most of them are flowing around *way* under the neon layer. Some of the heavy elements in the loops rise up and through the photosphere inside the loop and eventually fall back as coronal rain (or in GM's lingo "what flying stuff"). :) The high ionization rate of neon and oxygen, and now the SDO images suggest to me that you can outright ignore the heavier elements and fixate strictly on what you see in the solar wind data. That's my personal best advice.

Keep in mind that whatever elements you find in the solar wind data (in the exact order you find them) were most likely in a highly energetic state until they exited the photosphere, so get over the notion of photoionization in the photosphere from these wavelengths inside an electric sun theory. It ain't going to happen.

Mainstream theory on the other hand is *devastated* by this visual information. That ionization concept *DOES* apply to standard theory because mainstream theory is oblivious to the discharge between the surface and the heliosphere, so it has no possible way to explain these high ionization rates, or why these wavelengths are not absorbed in the first few *METERS* of the photosphere. Birkeland's solar model may not be completely confirmed by these images, but one thing is certain, mainstream theory is falsified by these images.
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Odd that I don't see it in any science journals. i would think someone would notice the devastation of mainline theory.
 
tsig said:
It seems he is trying to undermine conventional science by using pictures that could only be gotten by conventional science.
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FYI, the ENGINEERS that built this equipment are my real heroes, even if I don't agree with the "interpreters". I certainly use and appreciate all the luxuries afforded me by conventional science.
 
tsig said:
Odd that I don't see it in any science journals.
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Why would you expect that when I've only even had access to the first images for what, a week?

i would think someone would notice the devastation of mainline theory.
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Oh, I'm sure they've noticed too. I'm just not sure they have any idea what to do about that little bombshell just yet.
 
Michael Mozina said:
Highly ionized plasma stew. :)
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How ionized, Michael? Don't say "very ionized", because if 0.001% of it has gotten as high as Ne VIII, that's opaque too. It has to be narrowly confined between Ne IV and Ne VII in a distribution unlike anything ever observed in physics.

This is difficult to label a "plasma" any more, MM. This appears to be "a handpicked collection of ions on which MM has 10^48 individual restraining orders preventing them from participating in unauthorized thermodynamics."
 
Michael Mozina said:
Let's start with 2000Km for the neon. I'll pick up the difference in silicon.
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10^10V across 2000km of Ne plasma? Same temperature and density as before when the voltage gets switched on?

Before we do this I want to know something. Suppose you settle on some parameters and I go through this and discover - wonder of wonders - that 2000km of Plasmozina™ 2.0 is just as opaque to 171A radiation as 1.0 was.

One of two things could happen:

a) you say "You're correct, my model has been falsified. I was wrong. Back to the drawing board to start over from scratch."

b) you say "Oh, I forgot to tell you my plasma is full of luminiferous aether elves that help each 171A photon slide by all those nasty Ne atoms."

Which is it going to be? Because the first time we did this, you took something that looked a heck of a lot like option b). And like I said, if your model isn't falsifiable, it isn't science - and arguing with people over their religious faith is really boring.
 
ben m said:
How ionized, Michael? Don't say "very ionized", because if 0.001% of it has gotten as high as Ne VIII, that's opaque too. It has to be narrowly confined between Ne IV and Ne VII in a distribution unlike anything ever observed in physics.

This is difficult to label a "plasma" any more, MM. This appears to be "a handpicked collection of ions on which MM has 10^48 individual restraining orders preventing them from participating in unauthorized thermodynamics."
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What's the cross section for a 171A gamma to scatter off or be absorbed by Ne VIII?
 
sol invictus said:
What's the cross section for a 171A gamma to scatter off or be absorbed by Ne VIII?
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There's a coherent state within 0.03A of the Fe IX line in question---well within both the Doppler or collisional widths. It's got a lowish transition probability by spectroscopy standards (4x10^7/s), I think, but that shouldn't matter when Mozina has 10,000km of it on top of his source. "Cross section" isn't the right way to deal with it; this transition is accessible from some excited state, and that excited state's population depends on the temperature, and Mozina-land doesn't have temperatures. An insane atomic physicist would know what to do, but I don't.
 
Did you cherry pick the image to support your fantasy

Michael Mozina,
Perhaps you can explain why the first image in the SDO images gallery (the second image is the one you selected), does not have any "green line".

Did you cherry pick the image to support your fantasy*?

The first image in the gallary does have a "green area" at the 8 o'clock postion. This is about 10 times bigger than the "green line" that is in most places along the limb in the second image.

Does this place your impossible iron crust at ~70,000 km below the photosphere?
Or are you going to stick with the second image (~7,000 km).
Or are you going to stick with the helioseismology stratification layer in the plasma at ~3000 km where the convection current destroys your iron crust?
Or are you going to pick some other random number?


*A fanatsy because it violates thermodynamics, e.g see Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been debunked!
The fact that it fails many other observations (an iron crust at a temperature of > 9400 K :jaw-dropp ) and predicts absolutley nothing just makes it a joke. See the over 50 questions that Michael Mozina is incapable of answering.
 
Michael Mozina said:
FYI I have known that the NEON and SILICON were in a highly energetic state from day one based on the SERTS data. There are just too many neon lines at too many different temperatures and intensities for them all to be related to coronal loops. Once I figured that out, everything else was a piece of cake.
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Show us your work sheets,maths included.
 
Michael Mozina said:
Why would you expect that when I've only even had access to the first images for what, a week?



Oh, I'm sure they've noticed too. I'm just not sure they have any idea what to do about that little bombshell just yet.
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You will have to do the maths to win your Nobel Prize.
 
A great big cloud of neon with complete population inversion to high energy states, and doped with various other compounds... Sounds like the Steampunk Battle-moon 'Iron Sun' is armed with one hell of a big-arse laser. Charge those Aetheric batteries men, we're preparing to attack!

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Andrew Wiggin said:
A great big cloud of neon with complete population inversion to high energy states, and doped with various other compounds... Sounds like the Steampunk Battle-moon 'Iron Sun' is armed with one hell of a big-arse laser. Charge those Aetheric batteries men, we're preparing to attack!

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I think it sounds more like Ringworld, it give a new meaning to the term "solar powered laser". :D
 
Michael Mozina said:
No electric solar model is threatened by these images. No non electric solar model can explain them. It's as simple as that.
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There is *NO* electric solar model. All of them have been debunked on the grounds of *OBSERVATIONS*.

Please, present here a concise understandable model of an electric sun. Give us the numbers and show us where the currents flow and how strong the currents are and what magnetic field these currents are producing at the Earth's orbit.

And you *WILL NOT* give this model, because you *DO NOT HAVE* this model and you will point to Birkeland and his experiments. I already went through a discussion of Birkeland before, in detail, and you had no comments whatsoever on my interpretation.

So, please, you can stop all the attacks from peeps here if you just show that you indeed have a full fledged (well medium fledged will do too) model of an electric Sun. Heck, even Juergens' stupid model is more detailed than yours.
 
Michael Mozina said:
GeeMack said:
Knock off the lie about your crazy conjecture somehow being Birkeland's solar model. It's not. And you repeating that lie will not make it true.
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Spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam. SPAM!
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Another temper tantrum, I see. Say, Michael, are you a member of that junior scientist club that brantc belongs to? You could show some of those other high school kids how a real scientist responds when he's caught repeating a lie. :rolleyes:
 
Michael Mozina said:
What the hell are you talking about? I said 7200 is likely, 10,000KM max. You're off by a whole OOM!
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GeeMack said:
Nope, you're wrong again. I'm sure some of these other folks understand. You're demonstrating once again that you're unqualified to do any sort of simple solar imagery analysis and grade school math.
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The comment was...

GeeMack said:
So run the calculations on that highly ionized silicon plasma and show how you can see through 100,000 kilometers of it. Remember, now that you know the opacity issue is mainstream solar theory's Achilles heel, you're going to do a little math to destroy it...
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I take your ignorance to mean you're working up the math to show how you can see through 100,000 kilometers of plasma. Your method is bound to be interesting. You might get Sol to help you run the numbers on this, but remember how you spit on him last time he helped you out? The decent thing to do would be to give him some real numbers to work with and not just blow him off when he comes up with some results.

Don't forget, you've got a job to do...

Michael Mozina said:
Now that I finally understand how to go about destroying mainstream theory, I'll start working on it. I think *THAT* little project might even motivate me to do a little math.
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Michael Mozina said:
Why would you expect that when I've only even had access to the first images for what, a week?



Oh, I'm sure they've noticed too. I'm just not sure they have any idea what to do about that little bombshell just yet.
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Well you'd better let them know right away! Do you suppose NASA has taken you off their spam block list yet? Maybe you should phone them instead of emailing them. Oh, dial *67 to block the caller ID. :p

How long do you suppose we'll have to wait to see NASA's press release on this bombshell? The STEREO program was supposed to verify your crazy conjecture almost five years ago and we haven't heard a peep out of them. Maybe they're waiting for that first photon to muscle its way up through the plasma? Maybe they're waiting for you to help them out by doing a little math? Maybe they're waiting for you to demonstrate that you're actually qualified to understand solar images before they'll take your word for it? Any way about it, it seems like you're the holdup here, Michael.
 
Reality Check said:
Michael Mozina,
Perhaps you can explain why the first image in the SDO images gallery (the second image is the one you selected), does not have any "green line".

Did you cherry pick the image to support your fantasy*?

The first image in the gallary does have a "green area" at the 8 o'clock postion. This is about 10 times bigger than the "green line" that is in most places along the limb in the second image.

Does this place your impossible iron crust at ~70,000 km below the photosphere?
Or are you going to stick with the second image (~7,000 km).
Or are you going to stick with the helioseismology stratification layer in the plasma at ~3000 km where the convection current destroys your iron crust?
Or are you going to pick some other random number?
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I have some expertise in graphics creation, manipulation, and processing, so I've done some very basic analysis on these two images. Obviously there are problems with Michael's interpretation of the first one. Several problems. Well, let's go as far as to say he's just plain wrong. But since he fancies himself qualified to understand solar imagery, since he pretty much bases his entire claim on his interpretation of various satellite imagery, let's see if he can come up with some of the most glaring problems on his own. You know, before NASA puts out the press release about this bombshell, about how they stared at this image for hours and hours and suddenly had an epiphany, and in a moment of unprecedented awareness, mainstream solar physics gets destroyed! Maybe Michael can give them a heads-up and help them avoid the embarrassment of being so horribly wrong. :eek:
 
tusenfem said:
Don't go there Sol, you will spend lots of time on doing this calculation and then MM will only say once more that that is not describing his "model."
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Don't worry - I'll only do so as long as I'm enjoying it. I learned something from this last episode (thanks mainly to comments from you and Ben and Zig), so it was worth it just for that.
 
Reality Check said:
Michael Mozina,
Perhaps you can explain why the first image in the SDO images gallery (the second image is the one you selected), does not have any "green line".

Did you cherry pick the image to support your fantasy*?

The first image in the gallary does have a "green area" at the 8 o'clock postion. This is about 10 times bigger than the "green line" that is in most places along the limb in the second image.

Does this place your impossible iron crust at ~70,000 km below the photosphere?
Or are you going to stick with the second image (~7,000 km).
Or are you going to stick with the helioseismology stratification layer in the plasma at ~3000 km where the convection current destroys your iron crust?
Or are you going to pick some other random number?


*A fanatsy because it violates thermodynamics, e.g see Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been debunked!
The fact that it fails many other observations (an iron crust at a temperature of > 9400 K :jaw-dropp ) and predicts absolutley nothing just makes it a joke. See the over 50 questions that Michael Mozina is incapable of answering.
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Perhaps not, but there's a nice ~20,000 km high active iron volcano close to the limb at ~11 o'clock.

Also, the close-to-cyan aura that lies above the limb around most of the Sun is, obviously, the xenon-lithium-bismuth plasma layer which Birkeland predicted (though the Electric Sun folk tend to think it's a rhenium-zinc-ytterbium-boron plasma). In MM's model this is created by fission-fusion reactions taking place on the iron surface (all those highly relativistic electrons, accelerated by the 10^10 V potential drop, cause nuclear chain reactions that Manuel predicted); the resulting son nuclei ablate off the iron, creating a refrigeration effect that is 10^n times more powerful than the neon refrigeration MM had previously theorised (I think MM is waiting for ben m to provide him an estimate of n, including error bars).
 
tusenfem said:
There is *NO* electric solar model. All of them have been debunked on the grounds of *OBSERVATIONS*.

Please, present here a concise understandable model of an electric sun. Give us the numbers and show us where the currents flow and how strong the currents are and what magnetic field these currents are producing at the Earth's orbit.

And you *WILL NOT* give this model, because you *DO NOT HAVE* this model and you will point to Birkeland and his experiments. I already went through a discussion of Birkeland before, in detail, and you had no comments whatsoever on my interpretation.

So, please, you can stop all the attacks from peeps here if you just show that you indeed have a full fledged (well medium fledged will do too) model of an electric Sun. Heck, even Juergens' stupid model is more detailed than yours.
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For lurkers interested in more details, Tom Bridgman's blog Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy has a series of entries demolishing the "Electric Sun" idea (as tusenfem has noted, there is no model, just some handwaving ideas; Tom tried mightily - as Tim Thompson did before him - to sketch a model from the vague and ambiguous statements by people most vociferously promoting this idea).

The Electric Cosmos: Solar Capacitor Model III is Tom's last attempt, and contains links to several previous ones. In a nutshell, this idea requires a rather spectacular violation of conservation of energy, or conservation of charge (or both).

Of course, having already spectacularly violated thermodynamics, to violate a few more laws should cause not even a second's pause for true believers.
 
Michael Mozina said:
No, actually I'm looking at features in front, inside of, and behind the photosphere. The limbs tell it all Ben. The math bunny is dead and it's never coming back. The iron lines *all* (not just one wavelength) originate underneath of the photosphere as the helium emissions, and limb darkening process demonstrates. There's simply no way the opaque math bunny is coming back from the observationally dead.
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Hmm, okay, done with empirical testing are we?
 
Michael Mozina said:
I understand what sol did, and *IF* those conditions were applicable he'd be correct. Those conditions however are 'strawman' conditions and do not apply to this specific (or any EU oriented) solar model in any way. It also fails to jive with the SERTS spectral data. The neon glows in many ion wavelengths, and less brightly at the lowest end of energy the spectrum. Details matter folks.
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You keep asserting that, and so as Sol I did I will repeat:
The surface of the photosphere is observed to be ~6000F, Sol I used the mixture you said that the neon layer had. And he obtained an opacity of 3.5 meters to the chosen wavelength.

So to repeat what he said: Which variable would you like to change? Are you saying which variable needs to change in the calculation? What proportion of ionized Neon do you suggest?
 
Michael Mozina said:
It represents a "mixture" of colors, primarily blue and yellow and visually demonstrates the distance between the surface of the photosphere and the point where the sun actually becomes "opaque" to the iron ion wavelengths.
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Now that sounds interesting, how do you determine that? How does it show the optical depth?
 
Michael Mozina said:
I'm not complaining about your methods sol, just the fact you called it "Mozina 1.0" or something along those lines. You only included *PART* of the solar model in *YOUR* calculation and that number has nothing to do with an electric sun theory.

I first want to hear you folks explain the SDO image for us and specifically why the iron lines don't originate in the orange region.
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Now MM, that is unfair. Sol I is being patient and you and he were going in a particular direction. He was trying to determine the opacity of a plasma that matched your description of the neon layer, as it were, if one could create such in a lab.

That is one part of the discussion, it seems very suspicious that you know demand another thing that is different.

Finsih one, move to the other.

It is YOUR claim that the the "iron lines" "originate in the orange region", so that is up to you and your burden to demonstrate how they do.

If you finsh the first exercise, I am sure Sol I would help calculate the given frequencies for the other contentions you are now making.
 
dafydd said:
Where did the bunnies come in? We had enough with Bjarne and his cows.
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It is a meme I started in the BAC Plasma Universe threads, where in BAC and many would point to a picture and say somethings like "it obviously looks like a plasma filiment that supports the PU model", but theer was no math or derivation, hence the 'It looks like a bunny, therefore it must be a bunny".

Now GeeMack is much smarter than I and his arrival at the 'bunny picture' meme is most likely his own.
 
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