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CDI explosive loader Tom Sullivan / ae911 / explosive demolition
Tom Sullivan used to work for Controlled Demolitions Inc. On 9/11 and everyday since, his experience with CDI tells him that controlled demolitions were used on 9/11 to demolish World Trade Center #1, #2 and 7.
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He didn't offer a SINGLE shred of evidence in support of his claims. His main argument was that since WTC7 LOOKED like a demolition that meant that it WAS a demolition. And since 7 was a demolition, that meant the rest of it probably was as well. Why did you post a nutter making claims without evidence? Very poor taste indeed.
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Isn't this the guy that CDI denies ever working for them?
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He worked for CDI? As what? A janitor?
Got a curriculum vitae for his life? |
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I work for CDI. Do you work for CDI? Apparently for the truth movement, the only proof needed is his word.
Did I mention I also work for the FBI, CIA, KGB, and NWO? TAM ![]() |
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Can he point to ANY CD that looked like the collapses of World Trade Center #1, #2 and 7.
The only one that looks vaguely like a CD is 7 but there were no explosions so typical of a CD. What looked even remotely "controlled" about the WTC1 and 2? Its hard to imagine a less controlled collapse! |
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Well then... I guess the truth movement will finally decend on Washington and demand a new investigation. Also I imagine that in a few months when Sullivan, his family, and his friends aren't dead or had their lives ruined by the government, all of those experts (even the ones with evidence!!) Will come forward and justice will be served...
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Funny... Danny Jowenko disagrees with Sullivan regarding the main towers. But to truthers, that's not evidence of cognitive dissonance in their stances.
And: Agreed, Quad. It's getting pretty damn tiring that all we ever see are these baseless, unsupported opinions based on superficialities. It just goes to show that most conspiracy addicts don't even know the details of the collapse, since they don't seem to realize the utter lack of evidence given by these folks they cite. |
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This is just further evidence in support of my hypothesis that truthers aren't looking for "experts" to help them discover the truth about 9/11; they're simply looking for "experts" to tell them they already found it.
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Guys bad news.
He did work for CDI. As a photographer. /Photographic Phail For the Twooph Movement! |
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[quote=sheeplesnshills;6027085]
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The big argument is that it looked like CD yet I have never seen a link posted to a CD that looked like 1, 2 and 7. |
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wow...this guy claims to have known from DAY 1, before any evidence was gathered, that the collapses were all CDs. what a schmuck.
what a bull **** schmuck. how can ANYONE claim to be searching for the truth about what happened that day, disregarding all the findings of NIST, FEMA, and countless other organizations, but believe the stupid words of a moron who claims to have known what happened on 9/12/01??????? one cannot claim to have a shred of intellectual honesty, and yet pay attention to someone who claims to know what happened on "day 1". |
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That doesn't in and of itself mean that he doesn't have any knowledge or experience. As a contrast, Brent Blanchard is an editor for Implosion World, and is an operations manager at Protec, so I don't believe he's actually implemented or supervised an explosive demolition. Yet, the knowledge he's garnered as a historian of the industry, as well as his experience from surveying, documenting, and consulting at Protec makes him eminently qualified to comment on demolitions and truther theories regarding such.
No, Tom Sullivan's failure doesn't reside in his knowledge or expertise. It lays in his lack of evidence. Accuracy or lack of such always lays in the argument itself, not the person forwarding it. Even if all he was was a photographer for CDI, I'll respect his credentials. It's his argument that matters. |
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Tom Sullivan says he knew on "Day 1", that it was a CD.
This makes his views pretty worthless. There are lots of videos on Youtube of buildings going down, and its caused by only gravity and age. |
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Thunder,
It was claimed, but nothing was ever provided. CDI agrees that he worked for them as a photographer, and nothing more. You cannot become an explosive loader without having your employer verify your competence. Since he was a photographer, I highly doubt that he was a loader. None-the-less, it doesn't really matter, as his conclusions are all based on ************. |
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According to this page he has a FDNY explosives "loader" license.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569606/pg1Here's his ae911 profile. No mention of any license.
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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Yes, I think we should call it doing a "Gage". Just like Richard Gage, who uses his "credentials" as an architect to lend a FALSE sense of authority to his words, but simply parrots the same, tire old canards of the TM without a bit of his so called "expertise" exhibited or used to back up the claims.
Sullivan is simply doing a "Gage". TAM ![]() |
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Is he related to Willie, by any chance?
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How do we get "pulling a Gage" into the dictionary?
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by "explosives loader" he probably means:
"Hey Tom! Can you give me hand getting this into the truck?" |
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I was close. An article at ae911truth has his permit as a "powder carrier", but he refers to himself as a "loader".
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/41-ar...-employee.html http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=981611 What does that mean? "The Powder Carrier is essentially an apprentice Blaster, assisting the Blaster with loading: ( preparing primer cartridges and charges, wiring / hookup, setting off the shots ) and paperwork, such as recording quantities of explosives used and shot times. Explosives loaders help the Blaster and Powder Carrier in transporting explosives to and from the magazines and handling explosives during loading operations." http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/cof...y_material.pdf At best he's an assistant. According to him he is the assistant to the assistant...and isn't even allowed to have a set of keys. "Only the Blaster, Powder Carrier and Magazine Keeper may have keys to the Magazines and accept delivery of explosives at the work site." |
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Well actually he did work for CDI as a photographer and a explosives
loader according to the documentation contained in these links. http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/in...van_CDI_W2.jpg http://cms.ae911truth.org/news/41-ar...-employee.html And it even has the the words "POWDER CARRIER" listen in his permit. So I guess that makes Stacey Loizeaux from CDI a proven liar because she denied ever having know him or him being an employee of CDI because someone called CDI to confirm whether or not he was an employee. |
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This is very strange. The fact is, the guy is not who is he is being claimed to be. That's just a fact. So forget about the idea that an explosives expert from CDI ever said there was a controlled demolition on 911. Just forget about it, and go look for other reasons to believe this.
You guys may be able to fool some high school students or some whacked out militia types, but there's nothing you can take anywhere except a bar room conversation. You may have proof. I don't believe you do, but sure as Hell, I can tell you this isn't it. Just stop it. It embarrasses you. Maybe you don't mind looking like a mormon, but that's another thing I don't know about. Just forget about this. It's not true. |
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So basically he is a glorified adult Powder Monkey with some added paperwork.
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No actually I am not a liar, I was reading over at debatebothsides
and I remeber reading in a topic started by Rob Balsamo boasting about how an employee from CDI appeared on one of gages presentations supporting the claim that building 7 was explosively demolished and how remote thermite charges could have been used and I remeber Ronald Weick saying that Stacy at CDI had been contacted by phone whether it was him I cant remeber the thread seems to have been deleted and I cant find it, anyway I remeber Ron saying she denied he was ever an employee by CDI So if that is indeed correct and my memory is working properly I am not a liar and she is. |
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