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Who started both World Wars?
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Question for our resident diversionist. If the West lured Germany into a war, why didn't they roll across the Rhine while the peace-loving Heer and Luftwaffe were bringing Teutonic culture and modern conveniences to Poland? I mean, gee, it's almost like the English and French were caught unprepared for a war. If they provoked it, wouldn't they be ready to exploit it?
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Standard left wing smear tactics. Ddt does not like the conclusions made by person X, so next he is going to try to 'prove' X is a 'nutjob', and, oh horror, a 'racist'. Because you see, on the same site there is another link to somebody who ddt claims was a member of the KKK (so what. KKK=whites who want to be among themselves, like 90% of the whites AND say so (1% of the whites)). Case closed (for ddt that is).
No idea. Why would you put any effort in refuting that Roosevelt had Jewish ancestors? Your neo-Bolshevik agenda of course. Everybody has an agenda.
BS. A lot of Marranos fled to Holland around 1620 as the premier address for Jews who wanted 'religeous freedom'. In 1492 the Reformation (1517) had yet to occur. Some Marranos came to Emden as late as 1649, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano. It is perfectly possible that a Rossocampo came to Holland in 1620.
You really must be desperate to refute a piece of text because of the usage of all-caps. The site is a genealogy site, not 'neo Nazi' (whatever that may mean in 2010). Here is the complete post from that site:
"C.W. Boogaart": The first part of your last paragraph your recent posting to Ms. Milano you mention that you are interested in the complete genealogy. Following is my ANNA MARGARIET ROOSEVELT-branch of the American Roosevelts and descent from our immigrant ancestor CLAES MARTENSZEN van ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT:
Said ANNA MARGARIET ROOSEVELT is my 7th-great grandmother and is an older sister of the Nicholas Roosevelt [ROOSINFFELT] that cousins Presidents Theodore & Franklin Roosevelt & cousin First Lady Anna Eleanor Roosevelt descend. My said ANNA MARGARIET ROOSEVELT, my 7th-great grandmother, married Heyman AldertseROOSA [his name is also spelt Heyman as Heymen; Aldertse
daughter, NEELTJE(N) ROOSA, she married Johannes COOL [also spelt KOOL/KOLE/COLE]. Of their children I descend from their daughter, ELIZABETH COOL, she married Arie
spelt van Netten/Nettan]. Of their 10-children, by this RHEUBEN COURTRIGHT's 2nd-marriage, I descend from their daughter, JOSEPHINE COURTRIGHT [also spelt CORTRIGHT], she married Henry Benjamin Shively [family-name originally spelt Schaubli
EDWIN MONROE SHIVELY, who I remember & was still living when I was a little boy, he married Mary Lee Holcombe. Of their three daughters, (the eldest died in infancy), I descend from their next eldest daughter GERTRUDE DOROTHY SHIVELY who married Wilton Wayne Thompson, Sr. Of their
two sons, I descend from their elder son WILTON WAYNE THOMPSON, JR, who is my father. I married Perlita Rallojay. We have two daughters: Maria-Teresita Rallojay Thompson and Sarah-Marie Rallojay Thompson. My & my daughters' direct-line of ROOSEVELT-descent is: ROOSEVELT [ROSENVELT/
ROSENFELT]-Roosa-Cool-Kortright-Shively-Thompson.
For your records the ROOSEVELT [ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT] Family. I concur with THE ORIGINAL-genealogical family knowledge of the past 300-yrs. & with FDR that we American Roosevelts came from somewhere near HAARLEM, NORTH HOLLAND; and, also it is the ROSENVELTS of NORTH HOLLAND, whose name finally changes to ROOSEVELT, who are original SPANISH JEWS derived from the ROSSACAMPO familia [also spelt
ROSSACAMPA/ROSSOCAMPO]. We are a separate & distinct ROOSEVELT family [ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT] from the southern Holland Roosevelts [Rosevelt] of Oud-Vossemeer, Tholen, Zeeland--and the rest of Zeeland. ROOSEVELT-cousin President Franklin Roosevelt, in 1938, repudiated Zeeland as a grand publicity stunt to attract tourists and said
according to HYDE PARK ROOSEVELT family tradition the Roosevelts were from somewhere near HAARLEM, NORTH HOLLAND. Respectfully yours, Gregory Thompson, a ROOSEVELT-descendant.
{sidebar: my van Kortryk/Kortright/Co(u)rtrights are also originally SPANISH from NAVARRA, SPAIN, fled the Inquisicion to Flanders & then to GELDERLAND, HOLLAND; my Roosas are also originally SPANISH JEWS from ROSAS, GERONA, CATALONIA, SPAIN, fled the Inqisicion to GELDERLAND, HOLLAND; and as given above we ROSENVELTS/ROSENFELTS originally ROSSACAMPOS fled the Inquisicion from SPAIN to NORTH HOLLAND somewhere near HAARLEM (note Amsterdam--a SEPHARDIC/MARRANO-enclave--is not far from HAARLEM)...too, said ANNA MARGARIET ROOSEVELT was born 1643 in GELDERLAND, HOLLAND (the supplier
of this information said this information came from the Mr. Fox I made reference to in an earlier posting this website & this forum)).
(In the thread of the genealogy forum there are 2 follow-up posts, showing that the thread is serious).
ddt then claims:
It is very well possible that a Roosevelt lived on Tholen/Zeeland, but that does not mean that 'our' sob Roosevelt's ancestor did not temporarily live in Haarlem before he made it to the New World despite attempts of Peter Stuyvesant (my avatar) to prevent that:
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/nl/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_States
(It is obvious that this piece was written by a non-Dutch native speaker).
Roosevelt does not deny that he could be Jewish (or rather of Jewish ancestry). Sure, but that is a computer text, just like this post. Do you have the original letter by any chance? I thought so.
I suspect that Roosevelt had part Jewish ancestry. He followed a Jewish NWO agenda, he surrounded himself with Jewish advisors and hated Germany in contrast to a majority of Americans.
Als het kwaakt als een eend en als het waggelt als een eend, dan is het waarschijnlijk een eend.
(If it quacks like a duck and if it waddles like a duck, then it probably is a duck)
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You refer to an outside authority. Then the credibility of that authority is very much the topic. Someone who has as dogma of their faith that Anglo-saxons are descendants of the ancient Israelites - something that flies in the face of any historical evidence - clearly is a nutjob. The racism card is the icing on the cake.
Citing Jewwatch betrays your agenda. This family tree also doesn't go back beyond Claes Martenssz. Roosevelt, who immigrated to NY in the 1640s. Why don't you refer to the standard work on this: Charles Barney Whittesley, The Roosevelt Genealogy 1649-1902, J.B. Burr & Co., Hartford, Conn., 1902 (121 p.). It is available as PDF on the web.
Just trying to get to the bottom of your "arguments".
I didn't say such a late date is impossible. However, the combination with then becoming apostates is ludicrous. Your family practices in secrecy its Jewish faith, then you emigrate to a country that is tolerant of your faith, even allows you to build the biggest synagogue in the world and you become apostate?
One of many posts by the same author.
The family name Roosevelt on Tholen is attested from 1698, as a geographical name much earlier. There is no conclusive evidence of Roosevelt originating on Tholen, but there is more supportive evidence than for the Rossocampo+Haarlem hypothesis, as there is none for the latter:
a) no mention of the name Roosevelt in Haarlem at all, neither then nor now;
b) no evidence of the name Rossocampo having existed at all.
So that's why you chose him as avatar?
It seems like a clumsy translation of the English wiki page.
I appeal to the authority of University of California, Santa Barbara.
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You obviously haven't read the text I cited. I'll rephrase it for you in simpler English, and put a bit stronger: "I don't care if my ancestors where Jewish, Lutheran or Catholic, and it's not important; what's important is that they were good people".
Quoting a list of a couple of dozens allegedly Jewish advisors of Roosevelt is oh so convincing. It reminds of the lists of alleged Jews in the CPSU. Those invariably make two intentional errors: (a) label people as Jew who aren't; (b) omit or overstate the percentage w.r.t. the total.
And then, what's wrong with them being Jewish? There is no "Jewish NWO agenda". If they were so powerful, how come ca. 6 million Jews disappeared from the earth during the Third Reich?
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I would have thought the British would have waited until they had replaced all the obsolete fighters and bombers with the new models coming into service and that the army had replaced all the old obsolete Cruiser Tanks with the latest models and the Navy shipbuilding program had got going. That's just me though.
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I have seen this nonsense bandied about before, that the English are one of the 'Missing Tribes'
You have to laugh.
Peter Stuyvesant, (now better known as a brand of Tobacco.)
Froom his Wiki Entry something I find Ironic.
So when he was the boss he didn't tolerate religious freedom but the British gave it to the population when they took over.
lol
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They might have given De Gaulle command of the French armor while they were at it. But no, they left them in charge of infantry officers.
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Why can't you speak American like a normal person?
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What's even more pathetic: the saying "if it quacks like a duck" originated in English. Its (translated) use in Dutch is a very recent loan from English.
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Now we come to answering the question: who started both world wars?
Here is what my opponents believe that happened:
Here is what really happened:
Broad summary of facts/events that are essential to understand the origins of WW1 and WW2:
- Middle Ages: Europe ruled by Catholic ideology, keeping Jewish 'Christ killers' effectively down. Jews only florish in Islamic ruled Spain.
- 1517 Martin Luther starts Reformation (Martin becomes a hardcore antisemite in his later years)
- 1648 Holland becomes a Republic with Protestantism as state religion but garanteed freedom of religion for others. For this reason Marano Jews from the Iberian peninsula flee to Holland (even before 1648), among them the Rossocampo family, who changed their name to Roosevelt.
- 1654 The first Dutch Jews arrive in New Amsterdam (after British conquest: New York) despite heavy protest from Peter Stuyvesant, the Dutch governor. New York evolves in the following centuries into the de facto capital of 'The International Jew' (term coined by Henry Ford), with London in the same league.
- 1656 Cromwell allows Jews to return to Britain after having been expelled in 1290.
- 1689 Dutch, wanting to use British resources against their arch-enemy catholic France, invade and conquer Britain, an operation financed by a Sefardic Jew from The Hague. As a reward the Jews are allowed to establish a central bank in London. Beginning of the rise of the Jews using finance as power tool. Paradoxically this event marks the beginning of the end of the Dutch golden 17th century and the rise of the British empire.
- 1854 Worldpower in status nascendi USA forces non-imperial feudal Japan to open up.
- 1871 German unification in Versailles (of all places). Beginning of French resentment over loss of Elsas-Lotharingen.
- 1871 and after: growing resentment in Britain and France about the emergence of the new powerful German competitor in Europe. According to classic balance of power doctrine Britain would be anti-German as long as Germany was the greatest power, resulting in WW1.
- 1898/1900 German naval laws, leading to High Seas Fleet. Unnecessary source of tension between a non-imperial Germany and a very imperial Britain.
- 1905 Japan with backing of US gains Manchuria in fight with Russia.
- 1906 Sir Edward Grey's secret agreement to support France in case of German attack. This causes German miscalculation in 1914, failure of Schlieffen Plan and stalemate in WW1 and opportunity for the USA to enter the war.
- 1907 Triple Alliance (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy) versus Triple Entente (France, Russia, Britain). Europe was setup for war. France and Russia were expansionist. The Kaiser (just like later Hitler) wanted good relations with Britain, Britain refused.
- 1914 Assasination of Archduke Ferdinand by Serbian nationalist; Vienna wanted to punish Serbia (Serbian nationalism) in a short war in order to prevent the emergence of a Yugoslavia.
- 1914, August 1 Russia mobilized first, France refused to declare neutrality. Germany declared war on both. Churchill played major role in British war declaration.
- 1914, due to the unexpected British intervention a stalemate resulted on the battlefield in the West.
- 1915 Sinking of the Lusitania, together with Zimmermann telegram later used as pretext for American war entry.
- 1917 Balfour declaration giving Palestine to the Jews in return for the Jews bringing America in the war on the side of Britain.
- 1917 Jews organize killing of the Czar family and Bolshevist coup d'état; the Red Army under leadership of Trotzky kills the entire top stratum of Russian society under the motto 'kill the best gentiles'/'Tob Shebbe goyim harog'. Sort of France 1789 revisited.
- 1918 Harsh Versailles peace treaty, mainly instigated by France government and British public. Lloyd George correctly predicts another war in 20 years because of the harsh terms.
- Resurrection of Poland and new 'designer state' Czechoslovakia. 7 million Germans 'outsourced'. The largest victim of all was Hungary. The Allies had made a mess of Europe and set it up for new instabilities. France and Britain got the peace they wanted. 20 years later, they would get the war they had invited.
- 1922 Britain terminated 20 year old alliance with Japan. Would prove to be a disaster for the British empire.
- 1922 Naval conference Washington. Backed by Churchill Britain terminated it’s naval supremacy voluntarily, a breaktaking stupidity. It’s Asian empire was now up for grabs.
- 1932-33 Holomodor, state organized famine to break the back on independent small farmers, as a part of the collectivations implemented by Genrikh Yagoda, the largest mass murderer of the 20th century.
- 1933 Hitler rises to power, starting a policy of reversing the injustices of Versailles treaty and anti-Jewish/Bolshevism.
- 1938 12 March, Anschluss Austria without a fight. Warm reception by the Austrian population[video]
- 1938-1939: Roosevelt government preparing America and Europe (Britain, France and Poland) for war in Europe, before Pearl Harbor and even before the German invasion of Poland.
- 1939 September feverish diplomatic activity between Berlin and London to solve Danzig issue using Swedish mediator Dahlerus. Danzig, a 97% German town that wanted to be part of the Reich was handed over to Poland in an effort to cripple Germany by Allied predators in Versailles.
- 1939, August 23: Ribbentrop-Molotov Non-agression agreement between Germany and Russia after a similar effort by France and Britain (with agreed handing over the Baltic states to Russia) had failed. Secret annex dividing Poland between Germany and Russia. The reason why Stalin prefered Hitler over the Western powers was that he knew that he could provoke a war between Hitler and the Western powers with the invasion of Poland, dividing Europe, after which he could conquor Europe and impose Bolshevism.
- 1939, August 24: through a leak in the German embassy in Moscow, Roosevelt learns about the secret annex. Rather than warning the Poles (who would certainly had given in to reasonable German demands concerning Danzig and corridor) he stimulated the Poles not to make any concessions, thus making sure war would happen as desired by the Americans and their Jewish handlers ever since 1933.
- 1939, September 1: Hitler invades Poland, Stalin 2 weeks later.
- Britain and France declare war on Germany but not on the USSR. Making clear that the war declaration had nothing to do with Poland but everything with Germany. The declaration of war had everything to do with American (read Jewish) pressure on the British and French government.
- 1941, June 13: Russians mobilize (to be completed on July 10) to prepare for an assault on Europe, Hitler forced to intervene on June 22 (operation Barbarossa), while Russian soldiers were travelling to German and Romaninan borders. Hitlers preventive war saves Western Europa in last moment from Bolshewism. Had he not attacked, the entire Europe had been bolshevized. Thanks to Barbarossa the Russians were stopped along the line Stettin-Triest.
Books:
2008 Suvorov - Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II
2003 Weeks - Stalin's Other War: Soviet Grand Strategy, 1939-1941
2005 Scheil - 1940/41 - Die Eskalation des Zweiten Weltkriegs
2009 Suvorov + 9 Russian authors - Überfall auf Europa: Plante die Sowjetunion 1941 einen Angriffskrieg?
- 1941 USA imposes oil embargo on Japan and the condition that Japan should abandon it's entire empire for the embargo to be lifted. Japan has no choice but to invade the oil-rich Dutch East-Indies and to attack Pearl Harbor to prevent America from intervening. Because Japan is part of the Axis, Roosevelt has his war with Germany, which he was aiming for ever since 1933.
- 1946 Nuremberg tribunal organized by the victors of WW2 and birth of the Holocaust. Jackson was told on 11 June 1945 about the 6 million figure by 3 Jewish lawyers Perlman, Robinson and Kohanski.
Irving, Nuremberg page 99.
- Post-war global politics consists of two competing flavours of globalism: economic/egalitarian Bolshevism and racial/egalitarian Anglo-capitalism. The latter won, well sort of, temporarily. The first went down the drain because nobody had an incentive to work, the second will implode due to ethnic strife and general incompetence of the non-white invaders to the US.
So who started WW1 and WW2?
WW1: the new 1871-Germany was too big to the liking of the established European powers Britain, France and Russia. They all wanted to see Germany destroyed. The assasination of the Arch Duke was merely an unplanned opportunity for all 3 parties mentioned to break all hell loose. Germany knew this and attacked first, like a lady who uses her pepperspray on a mugger before he gets the chance to hit. Germany lost because the Jews used the stalemate in the war to offer Britain to bring in their American serfs to win the war for Britain in exchange for Palestine.
So who wanted world war 2: Britain, France and Russia.
WW2: direct consequence of WW1, Hitler came to power on a program to reverse the harsh treaty of Versailles and on anti-Jewish-Bolshevism. That triggered all alarm bells in Jewish controlled Washington and the Roosevelt government started to prepare to bring a war about in Europe. The Americans (read Jews) saw their chance to ignite a war around the Danzig issue. The British war garantee was ordered by Washington as well as pushing the Poles against any compromise. The Soviets had an agenda of their own and prepared for the attack in mid 1941. This forced Hitler to attack the USSR first. Roosevelt engineered Pearl Harbor to obtain the main price: war in Europe.
So who wanted world war 2: American (Jews) and Soviets.
Here is what my opponents believe that happened:
Here is what really happened:
Broad summary of facts/events that are essential to understand the origins of WW1 and WW2:
- Middle Ages: Europe ruled by Catholic ideology, keeping Jewish 'Christ killers' effectively down. Jews only florish in Islamic ruled Spain.
- 1517 Martin Luther starts Reformation (Martin becomes a hardcore antisemite in his later years)
- 1648 Holland becomes a Republic with Protestantism as state religion but garanteed freedom of religion for others. For this reason Marano Jews from the Iberian peninsula flee to Holland (even before 1648), among them the Rossocampo family, who changed their name to Roosevelt.
- 1654 The first Dutch Jews arrive in New Amsterdam (after British conquest: New York) despite heavy protest from Peter Stuyvesant, the Dutch governor. New York evolves in the following centuries into the de facto capital of 'The International Jew' (term coined by Henry Ford), with London in the same league.
- 1656 Cromwell allows Jews to return to Britain after having been expelled in 1290.
- 1689 Dutch, wanting to use British resources against their arch-enemy catholic France, invade and conquer Britain, an operation financed by a Sefardic Jew from The Hague. As a reward the Jews are allowed to establish a central bank in London. Beginning of the rise of the Jews using finance as power tool. Paradoxically this event marks the beginning of the end of the Dutch golden 17th century and the rise of the British empire.
- 1854 Worldpower in status nascendi USA forces non-imperial feudal Japan to open up.
- 1871 German unification in Versailles (of all places). Beginning of French resentment over loss of Elsas-Lotharingen.
- 1871 and after: growing resentment in Britain and France about the emergence of the new powerful German competitor in Europe. According to classic balance of power doctrine Britain would be anti-German as long as Germany was the greatest power, resulting in WW1.
- 1898/1900 German naval laws, leading to High Seas Fleet. Unnecessary source of tension between a non-imperial Germany and a very imperial Britain.
- 1905 Japan with backing of US gains Manchuria in fight with Russia.
- 1906 Sir Edward Grey's secret agreement to support France in case of German attack. This causes German miscalculation in 1914, failure of Schlieffen Plan and stalemate in WW1 and opportunity for the USA to enter the war.
- 1907 Triple Alliance (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy) versus Triple Entente (France, Russia, Britain). Europe was setup for war. France and Russia were expansionist. The Kaiser (just like later Hitler) wanted good relations with Britain, Britain refused.
- 1914 Assasination of Archduke Ferdinand by Serbian nationalist; Vienna wanted to punish Serbia (Serbian nationalism) in a short war in order to prevent the emergence of a Yugoslavia.
- 1914, August 1 Russia mobilized first, France refused to declare neutrality. Germany declared war on both. Churchill played major role in British war declaration.
- 1914, due to the unexpected British intervention a stalemate resulted on the battlefield in the West.
- 1915 Sinking of the Lusitania, together with Zimmermann telegram later used as pretext for American war entry.
- 1917 Balfour declaration giving Palestine to the Jews in return for the Jews bringing America in the war on the side of Britain.
- 1917 Jews organize killing of the Czar family and Bolshevist coup d'état; the Red Army under leadership of Trotzky kills the entire top stratum of Russian society under the motto 'kill the best gentiles'/'Tob Shebbe goyim harog'. Sort of France 1789 revisited.
- 1918 Harsh Versailles peace treaty, mainly instigated by France government and British public. Lloyd George correctly predicts another war in 20 years because of the harsh terms.
- Resurrection of Poland and new 'designer state' Czechoslovakia. 7 million Germans 'outsourced'. The largest victim of all was Hungary. The Allies had made a mess of Europe and set it up for new instabilities. France and Britain got the peace they wanted. 20 years later, they would get the war they had invited.
- 1922 Britain terminated 20 year old alliance with Japan. Would prove to be a disaster for the British empire.
- 1922 Naval conference Washington. Backed by Churchill Britain terminated it’s naval supremacy voluntarily, a breaktaking stupidity. It’s Asian empire was now up for grabs.
- 1932-33 Holomodor, state organized famine to break the back on independent small farmers, as a part of the collectivations implemented by Genrikh Yagoda, the largest mass murderer of the 20th century.
- 1933 Hitler rises to power, starting a policy of reversing the injustices of Versailles treaty and anti-Jewish/Bolshevism.
- 1938 12 March, Anschluss Austria without a fight. Warm reception by the Austrian population[video]
- 1938-1939: Roosevelt government preparing America and Europe (Britain, France and Poland) for war in Europe, before Pearl Harbor and even before the German invasion of Poland.
- 1939 September feverish diplomatic activity between Berlin and London to solve Danzig issue using Swedish mediator Dahlerus. Danzig, a 97% German town that wanted to be part of the Reich was handed over to Poland in an effort to cripple Germany by Allied predators in Versailles.
- 1939, August 23: Ribbentrop-Molotov Non-agression agreement between Germany and Russia after a similar effort by France and Britain (with agreed handing over the Baltic states to Russia) had failed. Secret annex dividing Poland between Germany and Russia. The reason why Stalin prefered Hitler over the Western powers was that he knew that he could provoke a war between Hitler and the Western powers with the invasion of Poland, dividing Europe, after which he could conquor Europe and impose Bolshevism.
- 1939, August 24: through a leak in the German embassy in Moscow, Roosevelt learns about the secret annex. Rather than warning the Poles (who would certainly had given in to reasonable German demands concerning Danzig and corridor) he stimulated the Poles not to make any concessions, thus making sure war would happen as desired by the Americans and their Jewish handlers ever since 1933.
- 1939, September 1: Hitler invades Poland, Stalin 2 weeks later.
- Britain and France declare war on Germany but not on the USSR. Making clear that the war declaration had nothing to do with Poland but everything with Germany. The declaration of war had everything to do with American (read Jewish) pressure on the British and French government.
- 1941, June 13: Russians mobilize (to be completed on July 10) to prepare for an assault on Europe, Hitler forced to intervene on June 22 (operation Barbarossa), while Russian soldiers were travelling to German and Romaninan borders. Hitlers preventive war saves Western Europa in last moment from Bolshewism. Had he not attacked, the entire Europe had been bolshevized. Thanks to Barbarossa the Russians were stopped along the line Stettin-Triest.
Books:
2008 Suvorov - Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II
2003 Weeks - Stalin's Other War: Soviet Grand Strategy, 1939-1941
2005 Scheil - 1940/41 - Die Eskalation des Zweiten Weltkriegs
2009 Suvorov + 9 Russian authors - Überfall auf Europa: Plante die Sowjetunion 1941 einen Angriffskrieg?
- 1941 USA imposes oil embargo on Japan and the condition that Japan should abandon it's entire empire for the embargo to be lifted. Japan has no choice but to invade the oil-rich Dutch East-Indies and to attack Pearl Harbor to prevent America from intervening. Because Japan is part of the Axis, Roosevelt has his war with Germany, which he was aiming for ever since 1933.
- 1946 Nuremberg tribunal organized by the victors of WW2 and birth of the Holocaust. Jackson was told on 11 June 1945 about the 6 million figure by 3 Jewish lawyers Perlman, Robinson and Kohanski.
Irving, Nuremberg page 99.
- Post-war global politics consists of two competing flavours of globalism: economic/egalitarian Bolshevism and racial/egalitarian Anglo-capitalism. The latter won, well sort of, temporarily. The first went down the drain because nobody had an incentive to work, the second will implode due to ethnic strife and general incompetence of the non-white invaders to the US.
So who started WW1 and WW2?
WW1: the new 1871-Germany was too big to the liking of the established European powers Britain, France and Russia. They all wanted to see Germany destroyed. The assasination of the Arch Duke was merely an unplanned opportunity for all 3 parties mentioned to break all hell loose. Germany knew this and attacked first, like a lady who uses her pepperspray on a mugger before he gets the chance to hit. Germany lost because the Jews used the stalemate in the war to offer Britain to bring in their American serfs to win the war for Britain in exchange for Palestine.
So who wanted world war 2: Britain, France and Russia.
WW2: direct consequence of WW1, Hitler came to power on a program to reverse the harsh treaty of Versailles and on anti-Jewish-Bolshevism. That triggered all alarm bells in Jewish controlled Washington and the Roosevelt government started to prepare to bring a war about in Europe. The Americans (read Jews) saw their chance to ignite a war around the Danzig issue. The British war garantee was ordered by Washington as well as pushing the Poles against any compromise. The Soviets had an agenda of their own and prepared for the attack in mid 1941. This forced Hitler to attack the USSR first. Roosevelt engineered Pearl Harbor to obtain the main price: war in Europe.
So who wanted world war 2: American (Jews) and Soviets.
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Say what? William of Orange was invited into the country by Aristocracy while the Catholic King was in Ireland.
As for 'conquer'
Apart from some anti Catholic riots and a few Catholic uprisings later in Scotland, there was one battle.
All apart from the few catholic Lords declared for William and James left the country.
So ended the Stuarts.
It established a Constitutional Monarchy and resulted in most of the foreign trade moving from Dutch Ports to British.
(edit to add) Creation and signing by the King of the Bill of Rights'. Foundation of modern constitutional Law.
It is officialy refered to the 'Glorious revolution' by the British parliament.
While it had some aspects of an Invasion with foreign troops landing on English soil it was in all other respects a classic revolution.
See
Baxter, Stephen B. William III.
Childs, John. The Army, James II, and the Glorious Revolution.
Coward, Barry. The Stuart Age.
Online apart from the usual Wikipedia ss:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/g04.pdf
http://www.thegloriousrevolution.org/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/civil_war_revolution/glorious_revolution_01.shtml
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... Somewhere in the universe, a black hole was created by the sheer density of the stupid in your post.
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The bringing in of the Dutch army was a very essential reason for James to run. That invitation was secret. And yes there was a constiutional king now: the Dutch William III.
The Dutch did what Napoleon and Hitler never accomplished.
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He did it by invitation, in the process he finished the Dutch as a major world trading nation and established the foundations of the modern parliamentary democracy and banking system that established Britain as a world Superpower with the biggest Empire in history. Good old William.
By your reasoning James the 1st did what Napoleon and Hitler failed to do when he became King of England and Scotland.
In the 2000 years since the Romans left there have been many invasions, civil wars and revolutions, in the long run it's all history and doesn't matter a great deal.
By your reasoning James the 1st did what Napoleon and Hitler failed to do when he became King of England and Scotland.
In the 2000 years since the Romans left there have been many invasions, civil wars and revolutions, in the long run it's all history and doesn't matter a great deal.
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Where would we be if it were not for Nein11 confabulator to re-invent history?
There was no RC in Lithuania, Muscovy, Bulgaria, Serbia and a number of other places.
Misconception. Hussites and Baptism preceded Luther.
Fail. The Republic of the Seven United Provinces became a republic in 1581 with the Act of Abjuration. Or a few years later when Anjou, the brother of the French king, proved a failure. The influx of Marranos started end 16th century. "Guaranteed freedom of religion" is too strong a word. There was no constitution, except for the Union of Utrecht. The first Dutch (and European) constitution that guaranteed freedom of religion dates from 1796. It is true that de facto, the Republic tolerated religions of all stripes, as long as they didn't show outward signs on their buildings. Jews were allowed to build recognizable synagogues from the 1630s.
Why doesn't the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth feature in your "historical overview"? At the same time as the Dutch republic, they also grantedd Jews the right to practice their religion, and many Jews migrated to Poland/Lithuania.
And you still haven't found a shred of evidence that the name Rossocampo actually existed?
Do you see the contradiction? First you claim that Claes Roosevelt was a Jew, and he immigrated to NYC in 1649 at the latest. Now you say the first Jews arrived in 1654. Silly deniers can never get their story straight.
You really slept through teh Dutch history classes, didn't you? The year was 1688. The invasion, with 20,000 troops, was funded by the Republic, and was a lot cheaper than having to keep up a standing army stationed in the Flemish "barrier cities" against the threat of Louis XIV.
That's for a first installment. Grade: F-.
And now explain what your problem is with Jews. Why do you see a world-wide conspiracy? Did you have a Jewish kid in class who was smarter than you? Unless you had a lobotomy in the meantime, you then must have a grudge against a lot of groups.
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You forget the Battle of the Boyne (yes that's in Ireland, but the Kings of England and Scotland also styled themselves as King of Ireland since Henry VIII). Paisley and his ilk remind us each year of this battle.
I think that's debatable. Johan de Witt had already conceded in 1656 to signing the Act of Navigation. The Dutch Republic was just too small and had too few people to keep up the trade competition with England. So it may have accelerated the process, in itself it was inevitable. And on the other hand, the Glorious Revolution bought the Republic for cheap a very strong ally, who only years before (1672) had sided with France, to help contain French ambitions. Too bad he had more interest in Bentinck than in his wife.
Absolutely. And "we" in Holland also know it by that name.
He was "only" co-regent with his wife. Queen Mary was Queen in her own right, not just the king's consort.The bringing in of the Dutch army was a very essential reason for James to run. That invitation was secret. And yes there was a constiutional king now: the Dutch William III.
But Claudius, the Anglo-Saxons, the Danes, the Norse, William the Conqueror, prince Louis of France, etc., had done before. Oh, and Michiel de Ruyter of course.
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A.James the 2nd was in England at the time of the Glorious Revolution.
B.There was little violence in the England and Wales, but quite a Bit in Scotland and A Bloodbath In Ireland.
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There were always bloodbaths in Ireland and Scotland, removing a 'Scottish' King and having him replaced with a 'Foreign' king wasn't going to go down well at all. In that respect while supposedly a 'Union' Scotland has always been treated as junior and second place by the ruling classes in England. it wasn't finished until 'The 45' when the Jacobites were finaly stuffed.
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Nitpicker. You are refering to mainly Orthodox Christian backwaters where never was a reformation. Europe = Catholicism.
Again, nitpicking. Wikipedia:
Tip: edit the wikipedia Protestant Reformation page tonight to correct this 'error' and push your Hussites in. It will be removed within an hour.
Ddt is very eager to show how much (irrelevant facts) he knows about history (or able to google it up, we will never know). I pinpointed 1648 as a republic that was essential Protestant. That was not the case in 1581.
Because I am only interested in showing how the Sefardic Jews ended up in Anglosphere avant la lettre: via Holland, both Britain and America.
I gave you a reasonable explanation including genealogy. You produced nothing to hold against mine.
It is you who comes up with 1649, silly! Do you ever read your own posts?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6242032&postcount=2429
I was refering to the Glorious Revolution. Wikipedia: Date 1688–1689
That's an A for pedantry. Wrong on all accounts.
Because I have eyes in my head. Why should world history solely being made by WASPs, Muslims, Germans, Soviets, Americans, British... and the Jews only sell carpets, right? Even 'regulars guys' like Mearsheimer and Walt can tell you that the Iraq war was engineered by Jews. And once you have concluded that it is not a very big step to Pearl Harbor, WW2 and Bolshevism.
Considering the vehemence of your defence... are you a Jew, ddt?
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The Grandduchy of Muscovy a backwater? Don't tell Ivan IV, he'll chop off your head. Lithuania a backwater? You realize it extended to the Black Sea?
It was in 1581 "essentially protestant". The cities - even Amsterdam - had replaced their city councils with pro-protestant ones, and the leader of the Revolt was a calvinist Prince.
Because the majority of American Jews is Sephardic.
Do we see here a narrowing down of your conspiracy theory?No, you quoted a British-Israelist nutjob. IOW, you provided zilch, nada.
Read the reference I gave, and you'll see that Claes van Rosevelt's first child, Christiaen, was baptised in NY in 1650.It is you who comes up with 1649, silly! Do you ever read your own posts?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6242032&postcount=2429
The revolution itself was 1688. 1689 was only mopping up the last resistance. And you didn't even mention the name.
And now you're back projecting the current Israel lobby, which was virtually absent before 1967. What did Eisenhower do in the Suez crisis? How many Jews found refuge in the US during the Third Reich? And apart from the topic of Israel, what differentiates American Jews from the average Joe? AIPAC is just a lobby group like the NRA, the PETA or the ACLU.
Once you "see" one conspiracy, you see lots of them. Do you check thoroughly under your bed before you go to sleep?
Does it matter? I'm a Dutchman and I have an interest in history.
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Evasive answer, as expected.
But shall we skip discussing the precise details of the Glorious Revolution and Reformation and Hussites and all that jazz and go back on topic please?
Is there anybody who wants to come up with a counter list to the one I produced a few posts ago that is substantially different from this provocatively formulated one that I put in your mouths:
Or is that intellectually too challinging for my opponents (as I suspect it is)?
Or to put it more friendly... do you guys have any questions about the New Explanantion concerning the genesis of both world wars? I mean, the long term consequences for your standing in the world is rather bleak if larger groups of people start to understand what really happened.
You should not feel ashamed for asking questions! Heck when I started this thread after having read Buchanan I thought that the Brits were the real villains. Now I know better, thanks to Mark Weber and Schultze-Rhonhof and Stefan Scheil and Walter Post.
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You must be very proud of yourself that you refuted my theory in only one sentence...
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Wasted a lot of words. "Silly" would have done nicely.
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I live on the Dutch/Belgian border.I would love to meet Nein11,just to see if he can actually find his own backside in the dark.
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Here is Suvorov and his message (German).
According to Egon Bahr, it would not make a difference if Suvorov was right. Unbelievable... It looks like that the entire German Polit class is afraid that the German population is going to find out about the truth earlier than other nations. It is only the non-German nations who can liberate the Germans, just to prevent Anglo bombers firing their engines again... So, Dutch, British, French, Russians, Euro-Americans, it is up to us if we want to save our civilization in the last moment...
Here a German documentary in the spirit of Suvorov (8 parts) --> "Den Krieg nach Deutschland tragen".
Question: if we found out what really happened during Barbarossa, the largest armed conflict in human history, full 70 years later, could it not be that we have been sold lies about the holocaust as well?
According to Egon Bahr, it would not make a difference if Suvorov was right. Unbelievable... It looks like that the entire German Polit class is afraid that the German population is going to find out about the truth earlier than other nations. It is only the non-German nations who can liberate the Germans, just to prevent Anglo bombers firing their engines again... So, Dutch, British, French, Russians, Euro-Americans, it is up to us if we want to save our civilization in the last moment...
Here a German documentary in the spirit of Suvorov (8 parts) --> "Den Krieg nach Deutschland tragen".
Question: if we found out what really happened during Barbarossa, the largest armed conflict in human history, full 70 years later, could it not be that we have been sold lies about the holocaust as well?
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Has he/she cut and pasted the entire internet yet?
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The only one here who has brains stays silent.
He probably realises that the debate is lost.
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Obversely, you post a heck of a lot.
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Ah, yes. If it's like those other "truths" that are "about" to be discovered, I won't hold my breath. Remember 9/11, and the supposedly imminent unmasking of the conspirators ?
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Why should I tell more about myself? You won't either.
Says the one who bounces through countries and history faster than a pinball machine. Actually: no. Those Hussites did the first Prague Defenestration, did you know - ties in with our previous discussion on Czech history. And those Baptists are not unimportant either, they're one of the biggest religious denominations in the US now - much and much larger than the Jews you ascribe so much influence to.
I guess I could try to get the discussion to an higher intellectual level by posting this:
Your CT is still not quite clear. Is it a conspiracy of all Jews, or just Sephardic Jews?
Oh, one simple question: do you prefer Zuidlaren, Wolfheze, Santpoort or Den Dolder?
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Curiously, he seems to miss a couple of sites, like Nizkor and the Holocaust History Project. He hasn't found Metapedia either yet - he would make a great editor there.
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You left out the part where the Poles attacked Germany. It was the Poles who attacked, right?
Oh, that's right...the Germans attacked. But it was the allies fault, right? Surely we can't hold the Germans responsible for their own actions?
Let's look at a little analogy. Say a person, call him Mr. A, walks up to someone on the street (Mr. B) and makes a completely reasonable request: He asks him for the time, for instance.
Mr. B refuses this reasonable request.
If Mr. A were to pull out a machete and slice off Mr. B's arm, would this be considered an appropriate response? After all, the request was REASONABLE. There was NO REASON for Mr. B to refuse it!
In a civilized world, it doesn't matter. Mr. B is not obligated to tell Mr. A the time, and Mr. A's reaction is completely out of proportion to the situation.
Now let's take it a step further: Say a bystander, Mr. C, calls out from a distance and tells Mr. A he will intervene if the attack doesn't stop. Mr. A responds by saying, "If you can convince Mr. B to tell me the time, I will not only stop slicing off his limbs, I will actually GIVE HIM BACK the one I already sliced off, so he can have it re-attached...at his own expense, of course."
Now, tell me in what Bizzaro world Mr. A would be considered the victim, and Mr's B and C the aggressors?
By imprisoning or executing most of the officers in the Soviet military?!?
Your conclusions do not follow from you premises. In fact, your premises don't even make sense.
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We have a positive result! I sent a link to this thread to a friend on was fence-sitting on the issue. After reading 9/11's material he's convinced that ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ started the war.
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Yes Suvrov has lied just like holocaust deniers. The BT-7 came after the German PAK 35/36. Suvrov took care not to cite any sources but he couldn't change actual dates. He was debunked through basic research.
The majority of those purged were, in fact, not military personnel at all. Because everyone important in the militarized state carried military ranks, simply enumerating the generals, commanders, etc. who were killed leaves one with the incorrect impression that the army was beheaded.
Suvrov didn't mention the second purge of 1941 of Red Airforce officers as it ruins his initial premise. Suvrov lied on purpose.
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