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Old 10th October 2010, 12:47 PM   #241
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Eric: #96 and #179.
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Old 10th October 2010, 01:25 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Eric: #96 and #179.
To what end? Counting coup?
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although none of which are actually valid for taking the child.

Seriously?

Seriously?
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Old 10th October 2010, 03:16 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by marplots View Post
To what end? Counting coup?
Since ericsnow has shown a tendency to post things, and then say they're not his quotes/ideas/thoughts, we'd kinda like to know what his thoughts actually are...
Especially since he keeps repeating them, It'd be nice to know what he considers "facts", so we'll know how to deal with him in the future...
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Old 10th October 2010, 05:00 PM   #245
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Top story on Glenn Beck's site - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-...-oath-keepers/

People said they wouldn't give this story credit until it was on mainstream news. Well here it is.

“He’s a very honorable person who loves his country,” said Brad Guida, an Epsom man who told the paper he was Irish and Taylor’s landlord. “And I’ve watched the state and the police systematically hammer him.”

P.S.

He was accused of sexual assault with the whole being 18 years old and with a 14 year old but the charges were dropped. The gun charge was because his fiance had a concealed carry and didn't have the weapon on her, but under his seat in the car. The only crimes John Irish was ever found guilty of was a misdemeanor for possessing a small amount of marijuana and a misdemeanor for trespassing. What an unfit father!!! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2XaKma4KwE

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Old 10th October 2010, 05:28 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by ericsnow View Post
Top story on Glenn Beck's site - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-...-oath-keepers/

People said they wouldn't give this story credit until it was on mainstream news. Well here it is.
A blog started by Glenn Beck is "mainstream news" now?
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Old 10th October 2010, 05:45 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by rwguinn View Post
Since ericsnow has shown a tendency to post things, and then say they're not his quotes/ideas/thoughts, we'd kinda like to know what his thoughts actually are...
Especially since he keeps repeating them, It'd be nice to know what he considers "facts", so we'll know how to deal with him in the future...
I'm betting this isn't going to happen.
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Originally Posted by ericsnow View Post

“He’s a very honorable person who loves his country,” said Brad Guida, an Epsom man who told the paper he was Irish and Taylor’s landlord. “And I’ve watched the state and the police systematically hammer him.”
Seriously, Ericsnow, why in the world would you think a quote from his landlord has any bearing at all on the facts of this case? It is not a rhetorical question. Why do you think the landlord's comments are useful in any way?


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He was accused of sexual assault with the whole being 18 years old and with a 14 year old but the charges were dropped. The gun charge was because his fiance had a concealed carry and didn't have the weapon on her, but under his seat in the car. The only crimes John Irish was ever found guilty of was a misdemeanor for possessing a small amount of marijuana and a misdemeanor for trespassing. What an unfit father!!! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2XaKma4KwE
Why did you leave out the part about hitting and choking his wife? Why did you leave out the part about refusing a court-ordered counseling course?


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Top story on Glenn Beck's site - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-...-oath-keepers/

People said they wouldn't give this story credit until it was on mainstream news. Well here it is.
On the JREF people are expected to be precise in their statements and accusations.

The posters here did not say "we will not give this story credit until it was on mainstream news." We said that until a more balanced source provided MORE DETAILS we cannot believe the version presented in the OP. ANd it turns out that we were right and the OP was wrong. More details were provided and it has been shown that his association with Oathkeepers was neither the sole nor primary reason the baby was removed.
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Old 10th October 2010, 05:57 PM   #250
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I'm betting this isn't going to happen.
Oh, We're getting some good data here...
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Old 10th October 2010, 06:18 PM   #251
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Same guy in this news story? http://archive.seacoastonline.com/20...news/48093.htm

(from 2003, I don't know if the age or location is right)
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Old 10th October 2010, 06:55 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by ericsnow View Post
Top story on Glenn Beck's site - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-...-oath-keepers/

People said they wouldn't give this story credit until it was on mainstream news. Well here it is.

“He’s a very honorable person who loves his country,” said Brad Guida, an Epsom man who told the paper he was Irish and Taylor’s landlord. “And I’ve watched the state and the police systematically hammer him.”

P.S.

He was accused of sexual assault with the whole being 18 years old and with a 14 year old but the charges were dropped. The gun charge was because his fiance had a concealed carry and didn't have the weapon on her, but under his seat in the car. The only crimes John Irish was ever found guilty of was a misdemeanor for possessing a small amount of marijuana and a misdemeanor for trespassing. What an unfit father!!! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2XaKma4KwE
I wouldn't put my money on getting the full story from him. Children aren't taken for the reasons stated. Period.

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Same guy in this news story? http://archive.seacoastonline.com/20...news/48093.htm

(from 2003, I don't know if the age or location is right)
That link was actually posted earlier in this thread (along with other stories possibly about him) and I do believe that's him because as I understand it he's 24 now so he would be 17 in 2003. And it is the right location as well. Apparently this school is in New Hampshire where he currently resides.
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Old 10th October 2010, 09:25 PM   #253
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Same guy in this news story? http://archive.seacoastonline.com/20...news/48093.htm

(from 2003, I don't know if the age or location is right)
That's him. Plus he had a bunch of driving under suspensions and peace bond infractions. Just punch his nave into the newspaper's search engine. Should give you about 15 pages. Hit the Police Log links and he comes up a bunch of times.
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Old 10th October 2010, 10:56 PM   #254
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That's him. Plus he had a bunch of driving under suspensions and peace bond infractions. Just punch his nave into the newspaper's search engine. Should give you about 15 pages. Hit the Police Log links and he comes up a bunch of times.
And this is going to be the poster child for Oath Keepers? They are probably rethinking that idea.
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And this is going to be the poster child for Oath Keepers? They are probably rethinking that idea.
I know! One would think they would be a little more careful.
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That's only because union rules mandate a one-hour lunch break.

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This is Stephanie Taylor's soon to be ex-husband.

http://www.myspace.com/kamonveora

He commented on a Youtube video about the story saying Jonathan Irish "beat the ****" out of his sons.
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I'm more interested in point 6.There must be a lot of family history.
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That's weird Ron Paul just said Alex Jones and infowars are having a HUGE effect in Washington.
Yes,but not the effect that you are thinking of.
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Originally Posted by ericsnow
That's weird Ron Paul just said Alex Jones and infowars are having a HUGE effect in Washington.
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Yes,but not the effect that you are thinking of.
Thanks for reminding me abut this post.

Ericsnow, if R. Paul's claim is true, then it should be a trivial matter for you (or A. Jones or his people) to provide evidence. Do you have any?
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I wonder why nobody can seem to find the original, non-cropped and non-altered documents.
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I wonder why nobody can seem to find the original, non-cropped and non-altered documents.
I forget where I read it but the documents in their entirety will be coming out soon.
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Drudge now linking to this story
http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=213149
http://www.concordmonitor.com/articl...-took-our-baby
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I like how the drudge report only had the father's side of the story, lies included, and no mention at all of him being an unfit father who already lost his first two kids.

So eric, where's the original, unaltered documents? Can I get you to promise that they won't be photoshopped again?
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At this point, eric, you are simply giving us evidence of how widespread the rumors are becoming. But as has been pointed out, what's needed is evidence that the rumors have any substance to them. Which, as of yet, neither you nor any of the rumor-repeaters you've linked to have been able to provide.
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I like how the drudge report only had the father's side of the story, lies included, and no mention at all of him being an unfit father who already lost his first two kids.

So eric, where's the original, unaltered documents? Can I get you to promise that they won't be photoshopped again?
There's a PDF of the entire set of documents in this link...

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/...-to-take-baby/

There has been some confusion about this case, leading some commentators to believe that the reference to John Irishís ďassociationĒ with Oath Keepers was in some other document, rather than in the affidavit relied on by the Courtís Order. Alex Jonesí site, in an effort to protect the privacy of the family, posted excerpts from two different documents, leading some to question where the reference actually was.

To clear that up, below you will find an embedded PDF which contains the full (though redacted) versions of the following documents: the two Petitions (one pertaining to each parent), the Courtís Ex Parte Order, the Affidavit of Dana Bickford which was attached, the Motion for Change of Venue, and lastly, the Notice to Accused Parent, explaining the legal process. We have highlighted in yellow all text where the Petitions or the Court Order refers to the Affidavit which contains reference to Oath Keepers.
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all you deniers. This isn't America anymore. Our country has been taken over by psychopathic criminals.

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Can you post the docs here? For whatever reason that link grinds my browser to a halt.
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all you deniers. This isn't America anymore. Our country has been taken over by psychopathic criminals.
I'd say it's being taken over by extremist nutballs who excuse and facilitate child abuse.
Post the docs here, please?

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Anyone know why I can't embed the PDF? I'm copying the embed code exactly.

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There's a PDF of the entire set of documents in this link....
Really?! You think that the PDFs in that link are helpful.
There are 11 facts given in the affidavit and exactly two of them are presented. I am now disturbingly curious as to what points 8, 9, 10, and 11 are. Ericsnow, what will be your position if these additional points are evidence showing that the man is a violent child abuser who cannot control his temper? Will you then consider the possibility that it was apporpriate to remove the child? In short, my question is: will additional evidence cause you to change your mind?


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all you deniers. This isn't America anymore. Our country has been taken over by psychopathic criminals.
Yes! Because one child custody case in one state (with missing details) is PROOF that the entire "country has been taken over by psychopathic criminals."
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Is there just a download link? Do you have the docket number, eric?
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Can you post the docs here? For whatever reason that link grinds my browser to a halt.
Don't bother with these docs. The affidavit is almost entirely redacted. The only point that remains is the item about the Oathkeepers. Everything else was blacked out.
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Is there just a download link? Do you have the docket number, eric?
If you mean the court case number it is 629-2010-JV239

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all you deniers. This isn't America anymore. Our country has been taken over by psychopathic criminals.
Dude, Mr. Irish has not been elected to any public office.
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Is there just a download link? Do you have the docket number, eric?
There's case numbers on the form but the handwriting could be better.

I'm guessing 629-2010-JV-239 and 629-2010-JV-240
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There has been some confusion about this case, leading some commentators to believe that the reference to John Irishís ďassociationĒ with Oath Keepers was in some other document, rather than in the affidavit relied on by the Courtís Order.
It doesn't matter, eric, b/c the reference to OK was in the context of a bit of background pertaining to his acquisition of weapons. And in the light of his Columbine-style threats at the age of 17, an association with any militia-style organization would be pertinent background.

Also, you're once again (still) ignoring the substantive issues -- domestic violence, threats of violence, due process to terminate parental rights for the other 2 kids because of his repeated acts of violence and refusal to obey court orders, etc. -- in favor of a bizarre focus on this one phrase inside one sentence in one item of background.

As I mentioned upthread, you might as well claim that the baby was taken because he lives in Merrimack county, since that's in the documentation as well.
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So basically they're still withholding information.

Well. It seems truth really isn't a priority for them, eh? I wonder why that might be.
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So... in the interest of protecting the privacy of the family, we're not allowed to see 10 of the 11 counts listed on the affidavit, but here's his address in case we want to make a donation to his cause?



Protecting his family's privacy... they're doing it wrong.
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all you deniers. This isn't America anymore. Our country has been taken over by psychopathic criminals.
You posted a link to a document that redacts all the primary reasons for removal and only leaves #7; what about the previous six items, which should logically be more important? What is it about this link that makes you think STFU is appropriate?

ETA: So all the pertinent information is blacked out, but the name of the baby is left in to protect privacy? Were the things the parents did so bad we can't see them for fear of damaging our psyches?

Also, on the item left unblacked in the affidavit, I think the mention of weapons purchased is more relevant than association with Oath Keepers.
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