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Old 20th October 2010, 09:26 AM   #1
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Musical conspiracies - A440

Last night Dr. Leonard Horowitz was a guest on Coast to Coast AM. He spoke about the usual types of claims most are familiar with regarding the illuminati, the Rockefellers, banking cartels and what have you. But he also discussed at length a theory I had never heard before (and did not turn up on my search of the forum).

He believes that (paraphrasing) the musical pitch A=440Hz that is commonly used as a standard for tuning instruments causes mass hysteria and keeps humans in a state where they are unable to be spritually awakened and are kept ignorant to the illuminati's efforts to control the population. He says that the move to standardize A to 440Hz was brought about by efforts from a "Rockefeller-Nazi consortium." This tuning standard was what led to the mass hysteria caused by Elvis and The Beatles (among other things).

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From this historic evidence in Rockefeller Foundation Archives, it is clear that the investors in A=440Hz “standard tuning,” some of the least trust-worthy entities on earth, directed the US Navy’s involvement in this “black-op” engaging the consortium-controlled networks. These findings strongly suggest the military’s acoustic frequency research and technological developments advanced during the 1930s to induce psychosocial pathology, herd behavior, emotional distress, and “mass hysteria,” were successfully deployed and are now being used against We The People.

The solution according to Dr. Horowitz is A=444Hz tuning. This taps into the creator's love and produces pleasing tones that inspire love rather than mass hysteria. The reason for this is that the C one octave up from middle C is 528Hz at A444 tuning. This 528 is an important number that is the key to love, the creator, the universe, etc.

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If humanity were to be optimally suppressed spiritually, the musical tuning of A=444Hz would be neglected religiously, as it has been. Religious leaders suppressed the original Solfeggio musical scale in which A=444Hz, virtually equivalent to (C(5)=528Hz, is the “MI” tone or “MIracle” note played by the Pythagoreans referenced by Tobias as subscribing to the bioenergetic epistemologies described by Helmholtz.(8) Much of this recovered knowledge was suppressed over the millennia. But enough of the amazing details about 528Hz frequency (A=444Hz) are provided in Hydrosonics journal, LOVE528.com, and LOVE The Real da Vinci CODE, to prompt international outrage concerning the A=440Hz imposition, and a musical revolution.

This, and his complete theory can be found at one of his websites: LINK This is a very long and detailed site with many references and can be an entertaining read if you are into this sort of thing.



I have never heard this theory before so I am interested in knowing people's thoughts. However, there is another aspect to the theory that is perhaps even stranger. Dr. Horowitz also believes that this 528 number (which is of great importance in the universe) is embedded by code into the recent Christopher Nolan film "Inception." He calls it the "528 code." It appears to be based on the fact that at one point in the movie a character is forced to guess the combination to a safe and the first three numbers he guesses are 528. And at another point in the movie a scene takes place in a hotel where room number 528 is visible. I couldn't find any other basis for the Inception thoery but you can read for yourself at his site: 528inception.com

There are some minor spoilers on the site if you haven't seen the movie. Nothing about the plot but it talks about concepts from the movie. Nolan is probably my favorite director and I liked the movie quite a lot but I would highly recommend seeing it "cold." That is, go into the movie knowing as little as possible about the movie. I only mention this because I don't want to ruin the movie for anyone wants to see. But the site itself I find highly entertaining.

Just to get your interest consider the following quote:
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NASA proved that space is full of water, like nearly 80% of people's bodies, and that 528 resonates perfectly with the Sun and Jupiter according to space readings
And in case you were wondering, yes Dr. Leonard Horowitz is in fact a legitimate doctor.

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Old 20th October 2010, 10:00 AM   #2
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This has to be Stundie material! It makes a refreshing change from the Icke forums, too.

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Old 20th October 2010, 10:03 AM   #3
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Heh. The difference between mass hysteria and universal harmony is a mere 4Hz? And wouldn't mass hysteria make us plebeians more difficult to control?
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Old 20th October 2010, 10:10 AM   #4
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So, as a piano tuner, am I in on it?
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99% of the people on Earth would never be able to tell the difference between 440hz and 444hz.

Should be fairly easy to test.
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Old 20th October 2010, 11:16 AM   #6
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It makes perfect sense. Elvis and the Beatles were well-known for their flawless pitch. Especially in live shows.
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Old 20th October 2010, 11:22 AM   #7
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So, as a piano tuner, am I in on it?
If you read through the first site of his that I provided there is actually a section on piano tuning. I'm guessing this comment was sarcastic but I would actually be interested in a piano tuner's take on this. It talks about how A444 is the more natural tone for a piano and they sound better and so on.

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99% of the people on Earth would never be able to tell the difference between 440hz and 444hz.
I don't think he is claiming that people could actually tell the difference right away between the two pitches. But subconsciously it affects you negatively to hear music tuned to 440 and positively to hear music tuned to 444. He has started up his i528tunes.com website where he has a bunch of music that was tuned to 440 that he has manually raised to 444. So I guess you could tet to see if you feel all lovey inside after the pitch has been changed, but I don't think he is claiming that anyone can actually consciously tell the difference right away.

The thing he doesn't seem to mention is that there are a lot of songs that are tuned to 444. It's not really uncommon for people to tune this way. Lots of orchestras like tuning to 444 and if you like playing along on guiltar or piano to pop/rock songs you will come accross a fair amount that are tuned to 444. It's one of the more common alternatives to 440.

And I'm glad other people are entertained by this and it isn't old news for people.

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Old 20th October 2010, 11:26 AM   #8
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He believes that (paraphrasing) the musical pitch A=440Hz that is commonly used as a standard for tuning instruments causes mass hysteria and keeps humans in a state where they are unable to be spritually awakened and are kept ignorant to the illuminati's efforts to control the population. He says that the move to standardize A to 440Hz was brought about by efforts from a "Rockefeller-Nazi consortium." This tuning standard was what led to the mass hysteria caused by Elvis and The Beatles (among other things)....

The solution according to Dr. Horowitz is A=444Hz tuning. This taps into the creator's love and produces pleasing tones that inspire love rather than mass hysteria. The reason for this is that the C one octave up from middle C is 528Hz at A444 tuning. This 528 is an important number that is the key to love, the creator, the universe, etc.
In reality, the frequency of concert A has varied with time, place, and instrument. The general trend has been upward, not downward.

That has created problems for modern performers. One tuning fork from Handel's time resonates at A=422.5 Hz, more than one-half semitone lower than today's concert pitch, which means the high A's of Handel's Hallelujah Chorus were considerably easier for tenors to sing in Handel's time than in ours.

To prevent Handel's (and other composers') music from becoming unsingable, the French (in 1859) and Austrian (in 1885) governments adopted A=435 Hz as the standard. The A=440 Hz standard was recommended in 1939 by an international conference, became an ISO standard in 1955, and was reaffirmed in 1975.

I am not aware of any evidence for an "original Solfeggio musical scale in which A=444Hz", but I am aware of a great deal of evidence counter to that claim.

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Old 20th October 2010, 11:33 AM   #9
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It talks about how A444 is the more natural tone for a piano and they sound better and so on.
I doubt it. I have yet to feel the holy spirit when setting the piano pitch or encountering a piano that has gone sharp. To be honest, very few people will even be able to tell the difference between A440 and A444 without a reference pitch. The only reason most people would tell the difference on his site is because they listened to the 2 back-to-back.

Regardless, A440 is a relatively recent standard (see here), older musical pieces were written using different pitches and tuning temperaments (basically distances between pitches). While the equal temperament is the most common tuning for modern pianos, many performance groups (orchestras and small groups both) will use a different temperament and a different reference pitch for different musical pieces. I've only done them a few times, but I do remember playing Pachelbel's Canon in 2 different temperaments (both using A440 though, simply because I had already tuned one of them) to hear the difference. It was pretty remarkable to hear the differences in the harmonies. I don't really know if I could pick one that sounded "better," as it's a completely subjective term.

Long story short, the guy is full of it

edit: more on temperaments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_temperament
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I have a feeling his "chakra tuning system" would sound like absolute garbage when playing anything other than single notes or octaves.

If I'm bored I may give it a whirl tonight. Although I have no idea how he expects normal people to tune to fractions of a hertz.
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Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
In reality, the frequency of concert A has varied with time, place, and instrument. The general trend has been upward, not downward.

That has created problems for modern performers. One tuning fork from Handel's time resonates at A=422.5 Hz, more than one-half semitone lower than today's concert pitch, which means the high A's of Handel's Hallelujah Chorus were considerably easier for tenors to sing in Handel's time than in ours.

To prevent Handel's (and other composers') music from becoming unsingable, the French (in 1859) and Austrian (in 1885) governments adopted A=435 Hz as the standard. The A=440 Hz standard was recommended in 1939 by an international conference, became an ISO standard in 1955, and was reaffirmed in 1975.

I am not aware of any evidence for an "original Solfeggio musical scale in which A=444Hz", but I am aware of a great deal of evidence counter to that claim.

This. I have just been practising Praetorius's "In Dulci Jubilo" using a piano I believe is tuned to A=440, and I wish to enter a strong plea for a lower pitch. I'm damn sure Praetorius didn't mean that tessitura.

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I love the solfeggio tuning conspiracy, i've been regularly tuning my guitar to 444 but i prefer 432, it makes your guitar sound like Hendrix. I still use 440 but only when i'm feeling like jamming with the devil.
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This sort of thinking is not new. The tri-tone used to be considered of the devil. I believe that certain music can cause certain feelings in individuals, but as far as opening up the spiritual realm, not very likely.
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Wagner must have had a pact with the devil, quite obviously.

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Originally Posted by JLord View Post
Subconsciously it affects you negatively to hear music tuned to 440 and positively to hear music tuned to 444. He has started up his i528tunes.com website where he has a bunch of music that was tuned to 440 that he has manually raised to 444. So I guess you could tet to see if you feel all lovey inside after the pitch has been changed,
Has he tried this with Killing in the name of?
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Dr. Horowitz also believes that this 528 number (which is of great importance in the universe) is embedded by code into the recent Christopher Nolan film "Inception." He calls it the "528 code." It appears to be based on the fact that at one point in the movie a character is forced to guess the combination to a safe and the first three numbers he guesses are 528. And at another point in the movie a scene takes place in a hotel where room number 528 is visible.
But the length of a second is entirely arbitrary, not related to any natural phenomenon. If a second were slightly longer or shorter, all pitches would be described with different number values (440 cyles per second would not sound like 440 cycles per hyper-second). So any use of numbers like this is nothing more than amateur numerology.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Leonard Horowitz
This tuning standard was what led to the mass hysteria caused by Elvis and The Beatles (among other things).
Mass hysteria caused by music. This idea kept piquing my curiosity until I remembered where I first heard it.

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That'll grab your son and your daughter
With the arms of a jungle animal instink!
Mass-staria!

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Right here in River City!
Oh, Meredith Wilson, you tried to warn us but we didn't listen.
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Originally Posted by JLord View Post
The solution according to Dr. Horowitz is A=444Hz tuning. This taps into the creator's love and produces pleasing tones that inspire love rather than mass hysteria. The reason for this is that the C one octave up from middle C is 528Hz at A444 tuning. This 528 is an important number that is the key to love, the creator, the universe, etc.
Isn't this extremely dangerous? Hitting the E5 would invoke the Devil.
And yes, I realize that due to well-temperament tuning, the E5 is not a pure quint above the A4.
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So any use of numbers like this is nothing more than amateur numerology.
Untrue! This is professional numerology.
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Untrue! This is professional numerology.
I sit corrected.
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I was talking about this with my girlfriend and she mentioned a different theory that she claims is true. She says slot machines play C, G, and E in that order which causes a spike of endorphines.

I suggested a pavlovian response may account for it, but other than that I seriously doubt what she says. Alas, she hasn't provided evidence and I'm not stupid enough to keep asking her.
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That has created problems for modern performers. One tuning fork from Handel's time resonates at A=422.5 Hz, more than one-half semitone lower than today's concert pitch, which means the high A's of Handel's Hallelujah Chorus were considerably easier for tenors to sing in Handel's time than in ours.
As anyone who's ever sung karaoke can tell you, a semitone can be a big difference.
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This is hilarious. Not only is A=440 a relatively recent invention (as others have said, in earlier centuries A=416-422 was pretty normal, and it varied between towns and groups), in continental Europe they still usually tune to A=442. As someone who's tried to play clarinet with continental orchestras I can tell you this makes life difficult (I'm not flat! It's the instrument!). Does that make them only half-demonic?
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Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
In reality, the frequency of concert A has varied with time, place, and instrument. The general trend has been upward, not downward.

That has created problems for modern performers. One tuning fork from Handel's time resonates at A=422.5 Hz, more than one-half semitone lower than today's concert pitch, which means the high A's of Handel's Hallelujah Chorus were considerably easier for tenors to sing in Handel's time than in ours.

To prevent Handel's (and other composers') music from becoming unsingable, the French (in 1859) and Austrian (in 1885) governments adopted A=435 Hz as the standard. The A=440 Hz standard was recommended in 1939 by an international conference, became an ISO standard in 1955, and was reaffirmed in 1975.

I am not aware of any evidence for an "original Solfeggio musical scale in which A=444Hz", but I am aware of a great deal of evidence counter to that claim.
The early music of Bach reveals that the choir and organ used a different A than did the orchestral instruments, and so the music for those different groups had to be written in different keys. Later, he decided it was simpler to just write everything in the same key while the choir sang different pitches than what was written (easy for the human voice do to), and the organ transposed on sight (easy for Bach to do).

As a result, there is some music where the organ plays notes that did not actually exist on organs in Bach's time. The highest note it could play was a high C, but it sounded like a D in relation to the orchestra, so that's what was written.
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Not only is A=440 a relatively recent invention
Yeah that's the point. The Rockefellers/Nazis switched us all over to this standard relatively recently. Before that people tuned to whatever they want.
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I'm having a hard time discerning if you're being serious or not.
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This sort of thinking is not new. The tri-tone used to be considered of the devil. I believe that certain music can cause certain feelings in individuals, but as far as opening up the spiritual realm, not very likely.
Jimi Hendrix used the tri-tone in the opening to Purple Haze.Naughty boy.
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If 528Hz is special because the number 528 is special, then the length of a second (approximately 1/86400 of a mean solar day) must be at least equally special. So, in what movies has the number 86400 appeared as a significant recurring motif?

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I couldn't find any other basis for the Inception thoery but you can read for yourself at his site: 528inception.com
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Well, that website is a steaming pile.

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Dr. Horowitz describes 528 as "that warm fuzzy feeling you have in your heart when you are in love."

There is a stack of solid evidence to support this concept. 528 Hertz, the third note in the Solfeggio music scale, is the heart of everything according to mathemeticians and physicists.
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I'm having a hard time discerning if you're being serious or not.
I'm being serious. Not to say I agree with the theories of Dr. Horowitz, but pointing out that A=440Hz is a relatively recent innovation does not do anything to discredit his theory. The fact it is recent is explained by his theory that it was imposed on the world as the standard tuning by a Rockefeller-Nazi consortium. So pointing out it is a recent thing isn't doing anything to debunk his theory.
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Old 21st October 2010, 12:30 PM   #33
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Jimi Hendrix used the tri-tone in the opening to Purple Haze.Naughty boy.
And look what happened, he died.
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The fact it is recent is explained by his theory that it was imposed on the world as the standard tuning by a Rockefeller-Nazi consortium.
A "fact" that is completely unsupported by captain lost-his-bananas. He's nothing more than a numerologist. And not a very good one.
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Old 21st October 2010, 01:42 PM   #35
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I wonder if he has the rights to sell transposed songs on his i528tunes.com site.
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Originally Posted by dafydd View Post
Jimi Hendrix used the tri-tone in the opening to Purple Haze.Naughty boy.
As did Black Sabbath, in the tune of the same name. All proof you need is right thurrr.
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A "fact" that is completely unsupported by captain lost-his-bananas. He's nothing more than a numerologist. And not a very good one.
Well to be fair, he does a pretty long winded explanation of why he believes this to be the case. People will have to judge whether they find it convincing or not, but I think calling it "completely unsupported" is ignoring the fact that he provided an extensive (if unconvincing) explanation.
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Well to be fair, he does a pretty long winded explanation of why he believes this to be the case. People will have to judge whether they find it convincing or not, but I think calling it "completely unsupported" is ignoring the fact that he provided an extensive (if unconvincing) explanation.
Plenty of people can string together conspiracy theory gibberish and make it look good. Being long winded is the only way they can make it look like they're actually saying something.
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So, as a piano tuner, am I in on it?
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An apprentice to the great Opperknauckati?


I hear he gets no repeat business, because Opperknauckati tunes but once.
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Mass hysteria caused by music. This idea kept piquing my curiosity until I remembered where I first heard it.



Oh, Meredith Wilson, you tried to warn us but we didn't listen.
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LOL just watched the recent Matthew Broderick / Kristin Chenoweth version the other night. I *still* love the Will I Ever Tell You / Lida Rose mashup.

"Ice Cream... Ice cream .. Ice Cream... ICE CREAM!"
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