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#2361 |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Hi. I have to say I disagree, based on what I've learned about Apollo, as well as relevant education and work experience.
Argumentum ad YouTubeum. I personally prefer people to actually write out what they are trying to say - I think it's much more useful - but I've seen this motion claim discussed before, e.g. here on the apollohoax forum, with inconclusive results. But I generally leave imagery-type arguments to others, and there are plenty of people willing to argue them. I think claims based on some snippet of motion imagery need to be attended by an explanation of how the claim trumps the rest of the Apollo record. It's been my experience that most hoax believers (HBs) don't grasp the magnitude of said record, including the engineering, scientific, and managerial work that went into it. Heck, I've hardly scratched the surface myself. |
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#2363 |
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Or said that the "lurkers and viewers" could see through the conspiracy. Nineteen lurkers de-lurked for that thread. Every one of them said rocky/davidc was wrong. One commented to the board regulars, "I think you spend too much time fighting with mental patients."
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#2364 |
Penultimate Amazing
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I'm going to repeat to you here what I just said in the other thread. There are these things called public libraries that are filled with these things called books. They'll even let you take these books home for awhile to read them. The books dealing with history are typically written by authors who have spent years, sometimes decades, researching the topic about which they are writing. They'll include numerous footnotes pointing to the sources used in writing the book, and you can then look up those sources for yourself if you are so inclined. In the case of the Apollo program, there is an ENORMOUS amount of such evidence. It would seem you are clearly not even aware of one tiny bit of the vast amount of data readily available on Apollo. Get yourself to a library and start reading some books on the subject. Lastly the faked landing conspiracy theory fails on logical grounds alone. Why on earth would anyone fake six lunar landings, with each landing longer and more complex than the one preceding it? No, any sensible fakery would involve simulating one landing and then quit. |
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(Non-specific "you" here, referring to CTers, not you, drewid.)
Simple, you look at the evidence through your filter glasses. They're really great, they keep you from seeing anything that doesn't agree with your theory. For example, in the video where the engineer vehicle hit the wall at the Davidian compound, you can freeze the action so that it appears there is a flare of flame at that exact instant. With your filter glasses you don't have to see the rest of the footage, where it's clear that "flare" was actually something flying by and nowhere near the wall. Thus you have "proof" that the FBI firebombed those whackos. This gives credence to the belief that you and your whacko friends will be next. And so it's okay to blow up Oklahoma City. See? Simple. |
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#2368 |
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#2369 |
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Join Date: Dec 2010
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It's him for sure. We have his three favourites: Jarrah White, Apollo 15 flag and slap my forehead with a wet fish, Collins' jacket.
His major tell is the big wall of videos and text (not allowed on here). He rocketed through the forum posting one liners here and there, just so he could enable posting links. Fatfreddy88 is one of many aliases (on youtube). Google search on "Do a Youtube search on" and "cosmored" Here. The clincher he 'says' he lives in Madrid and doesn't have his own computer: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9&postcount=43 |
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#2370 |
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Seriously, he linked to a jw video? I didn't even follow his utub link, waste of time and I microcast from th is computer so I HATE having to switch off the music to listen to idiocy.
I dealt with David/rocky at Apollohoax when he was there, but I stay away from youtube. He wandered into DIF while I was still reading there but didn't get any support from the Delusional Idiots and eventually got tired of the repeated spankings.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc I know there are prints that look like they're in fine sand but we don't see them when they're being made.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0 If the initial away movement of the flag were caused by it's being repelled by static electricity, it wouldn't move back in the other direction even farther than it initially moved. It moves back toward the astronaut after it's moved away from him because of the air drawn toward him to fill the void caused by his passing. |
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#2374 |
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If you didn't see those footprints being made on live TV, then I have to question your investigative abilities...or at least your eyesight.
Also, what you call "sand" does not at all compare to the regolith of the Moon. For one thing, Earthly sand has rounded edges from erosion, while the Moon's surface does not face that same kind of erosion, leaving the individual particles with sharp edges, thereby allowing the "stickiness" that actually does resemble wet Earth sand...but the "resemblence" ends there. |
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#2377 |
Illuminator
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Hi, davidc/rocky. You were wrong about that before over on apollohoax and you're still wrong here. I'm reminded of that every time I deal with kitty litter.
Oh, and yes, the South Atlantic Anomaly does exist, and all the astrophysicists and space engineers know it, including the ones in Spain (where, incidentally, Apollo ALSEP telemetry was received for years). The final tally on that "lurkers and viewers" poll, by the way, was nineteen new posters - every one of which said you were wrong. |
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#2378 |
You can't expect perfection.
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Is it any wonder that we still have Flat-Earthers.
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Penultimate Amazing
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#2381 |
Penultimate Amazing
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So, do tell me, how much was von Braun and the rest of the engineers down in Huntsville building the Saturn V rockets paid to keep quiet about the products of their efforts not actually going to where they were designed to go? How much were all the folks over at North American Aviation who built the CM and all the guys over at Grumman who built the lunar landers? All of those many, many people just kept quiet about all their efforts being for nothing? How about all the astronauts? (Not all of whom actually flew on Apollo missions.) You are apparently devoted to an utterly stupid and idiotic conspiracy theory in the face of absolutely overwhelming evidence against it (evidence which you apparently can't be bothered to read for yourself at the local public library), not to mention the conspiracy being self-defeating on purely logical terms. Public libraries. Books. Read. Start now. |
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#2382 |
Penultimate Amazing
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This thread is like a flashback.
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#2383 |
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#2384 |
Penultimate Amazing
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This just goes to show that some people are hard wired to believe just about any stupid conspiracy theory they come across.
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#2385 |
Penultimate Amazing
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This is where most CT'ers fail utterly. They focus on could have. Sand could have be cleaned of dust, pictures could have been faked. Could have doesn't matter, prove what did happen.
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You can't expect perfection.
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I wonder why they don't believe in Computers seeing that they don't know how they work too.
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#2387 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSpntQ-VtY The way the flag moves in this clip closes the whole case anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y
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http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread566601/pg1 Couldn't you just find one specific thing that proves it so I won't have to spend two hours looking for something substantial?
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http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU Here's some info on why we can't take what scientists publish as fact. At about the 30 minute mark of this video a scientist says that science fraud is common. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8989248030643# Scientists at the Rand Corporation say that depleted uranium is safe. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/l...9_bt170-99.htm There are other scientists who say the opposite. http://www.google.es/search?q=deplet...nium&tbs=vid:1 It's clear that the government can find scientists willing to sell out and lie. Here's a scientists who say that it's impossible to get something published in a science journal if it goes against the official version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA (00:16 time mark) If someone tried to blow the whistle, the press would ignore him or her. http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1...ntion-span.gif http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...sky+media&aq=f http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...Disinfo.+&aq=f http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...l_Chomsky.html http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...dia_watch.html http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pr...anda_page.html http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Me...a_Control.html http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=trWcqxrQgcc http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/He...ystem_One.html We are lied to about history. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145531 http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/28159 (excerpts) --------------------------------------------- Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked? A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require. --------------------------------------------- Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out. A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
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Have you heard the one about the young australian genius and the $300 bucket of dirt?
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Is NASA lying to us about space radiation?
Take a look at this article about James Van Allen. I posted the whole thing in case it goes off-line.
http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm ------------------------------------------------- THE VAN ALLEN ENIGMA By Phylis and James Collier In the early 1950's, a 35-year-old State University of Iowa physics professor and some of his students were cruising the cold waters ofnorthern Canada and the Atlantic Ocean, sending a series ofrocket-carrying balloons- which they dubbed "rockoons" - 12 to 15 miles into space. They were trying to measure the nature of low-energy cosmic raysswirling around the earth. The experiments continued for five more years. Then, in 1958,Professor James Van Allen discovered his monster. Suddenly, his instrumentation warned of a giant beast of a thing, spewing enough deadly radiation counts to kill any human who ventured into its domain unprotected. Van Allen and his students weren't sure of the size, shape and texture of the monster, they just knew they had encountered an incredible phenomenon. ... It looks like Van Allen changed his opinion when he started working for NASA.
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#2390 |
Illuminator
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No. You can relax, now.
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The proof that the moon missions were faked is crushing. Here's some of it in case there's anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
------------------------------ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move. There's an analysis of that here in this three part series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76q...x=0&playnext=1
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#2392 |
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Tldr
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#2393 |
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Reported for copyright violation and flooding.
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#2394 |
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A) you're not very imaginative if you have to keep wringing out the same old dirty dishrag.
B) You started this thread to C) . . . and here we have the wall of links to threads where you get spanked, combing the worst features of self-obsession and low intellect. Why do you feel the need to rehash teh EXACT SAME POINTS on every forum in the googleverse? Are you convinced that somehow, somewhere, your unsupported opinions won't be spanked with data? D) You've been told repeatedly that the ApolloHoax.net forum != Clavius website -- why don't you get it yet? E) In one of the threads you linked to I told you something interesting about jayutah. Please review the links you provide before posting them to make sure you don't embarrass yourself further. |
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