Funvax: Viral vaccine alters God gene, released into the Middle East successfully

[Joey McGee]

Joey Lambardi purports to be a whistleblower who's been AWOL for several months. He purports to have once belonged to a special unit of the military called Combat Camera. June 1st a video was released to the internet and it's going viral. It purports to be

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a lecture by an unidentified scientist given to DoD officials inside the Pentagon. It is dated 4-13-05 - about a year after the "God Gene" was first discovered. The scientist describes a plan to alter the "God Gene" in the Middle Easter Population in order to end the turmoil in that region.

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Joey claims to have no proof that they have actually used it because the information he has is outdated. He purports to have documents that he will be releasing in the future. There was a hype up to this video release and it seems to have lived up to it so maybe these will be real documents. He mentions he is too afraid of the heat on Wikileaks to go there. There is an interview with him at the main blog which will be where any future documents show up.

The most important part of the interview was this

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I have the original proposal from 2005. A quarter of it has been blacked out, but its easy to understand the point of it. It was a classified research proposal. The most important thing it has in it is this flow chart detailing the bench marks for the project. It started with putting a non-religious version of VMAT2 gene into bacteria – a process that is apparently called cloning. It went from there to tests in cell culture and then safety tests in mice then monkeys and then Gitmo detainees. Once at the detainee level, the project is turned over to clinical lab who tests the detainees using brain scans to see if their response to reading scripture was similar to a non-religious person. If the vaccine tested well in effectiveness and safety, then they planned on a small field test in Iraq and if it proves effective in the field, a wide spread inoculation would take place. I also have a series of reports up until 2009. These reports are, you know, reports about the progress of FunVax in this one particular lab. It’s like a DoD update I guess. I got about three of these. The last one compares different strain of the virus they made. There was hundreds of different versions, some appeared to be flops and from what I can tell, others were superstars. And that was where my trail went dead. I have no idea what happened after that, I mean, I have an idea you know, but I no evidence to prove it.

He thinks that the new stability, Iran protests, Arab Spring, etc were caused by the release of this viral vaccine. They have a 2 minute video about this.

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You might ask, how could anyone really be against that? He explains...

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What will stop the government from doing this to its own people? Religion is an important part of the human race, it benefits society in countless ways. Every society has religion, there’s not one that doesn’t. It builds community, it creates structure, it gives people hope, it creates a system of morals that are good to live by. Take away religion from people and who know what the long terms consequences are, you know? And just as important, like I said before, this is probably, most likely, the first of its kind, but now that it has been a success, what’s going to stop them from using this technology in the future?

Interesting.

[Mudcat]

I wouldn't give it any mind if I were you, stuff like that (along with the gay gene) can only exist in bad science fiction.

[AnnoyingPony]

I'm sort of an anime geek, and every time someone mentions the "God gene" I can't help but think of the obscure horror/mystery/thriller anime Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (English: When the Cicadas Cry). In the population of the village of Hinamizawa, there is a disease that has a chance of causing affected individuals to think that the god Oyashiro is following them, and they also become paranoid. Then they start killing people.

Sort of like religious fundies, come to think of it.

[Travis]

Snirk.



God gene. Are they going to alter the criminal gene next?

[marplots]

I can't tell from the OP if the idea is to transmit genes through a viral or a bacterial vector. In either case, it would seem to require altering somatic cells to get some sort of rewiring of the brain?

Or is it a way to alter cells so progeny will be God-gene free in the next generation? But this doesn't fit your timeline.

I don't see how this is at all workable.

Just watched the video. The two brain scans are of the same brain. You can tell this because the artifacts are identical. That's a problem according to what they purport to show... I am calling this one bogus.

[catsmate]

Alas curing religion isn't likely to be so easy.

[Grassy Knowlington]

Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony

I'm sort of an anime geek, and every time someone mentions the "God gene" I can't help but think of the obscure horror/mystery/thriller anime Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (English: When the Cicadas Cry). In the population of the village of Hinamizawa, there is a disease that has a chance of causing affected individuals to think that the god Oyashiro is following them, and they also become paranoid. Then they start killing people.

Sort of like religious fundies, come to think of it.

Yup.

[Grassy Knowlington]

Originally Posted by catsmate1

Alas curing religion isn't likely to be so easy.

Nope.

[Grassy Knowlington]

Originally Posted by Travis

Snirk.



God gene. Are they going to alter the criminal gene next?

Maybe.

[NutCracker]

The release of the Woo gene is proving to be a spectacular success.

[Grassy Knowlington]

Originally Posted by NutCracker

The release of the Woo gene is proving to be a spectacular success.

It's been sequenced and goes something like 'CACA...GAGA...CACA...GAGA'

[000063]

Originally Posted by Grassy Knowlington

It's been sequenced and goes something like 'CACA...GAGA...CACA...GAGA'

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[Joey McGee]

So, arguments for incredulity only hrmmm? The "God gene" idea is both commonly misunderstood and not proven wrong, it's possible.

The video seems genuine, I can't seriously imagine someone faking that.

Originally Posted by marplots

Just watched the video. The two brain scans are of the same brain. You can tell this because the artifacts are identical. That's a problem according to what they purport to show... I am calling this one bogus.

They are indeed the same brain, it was for the purposes of a presentation to some spooks perhaps that's why it was implied they were two different people? The overall explanation of the phenomenon still holds up.


It's actually one of the more plausible CTs I have heard in long time.

[A'isha]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

It's actually one of the more plausible CTs I have heard in long time.

Only if you don't know anything about gene therapy and brain development.

First of all, this bacteria and/or virus would have to alter existing synaptic cells. It can't simply alter some, and let cellular reproduction spread the altered genome through the organism (that is, adenoviral methods won't work, since brain cells aren't a growing cell population). In effect, it means infecting most if not all of the brain with this virus/bacteria.

I'm not sure how a bacteria would transfer genetic material from itself to a brain cell, and there are some pretty severe problems with using lysogenic viral infections (not least of which is that the new genes are inserted randomly into the host cell's genome.

The most likely result of a virus targeting the genome of brain cells isn't the removal of the "god gene", but giving everyone infected brain cancer.

And, even if by some miracle this Secret Government Project could develop a gene therapy that is both more advanced and more successful than anything that any other research team working on gene therapy could even conceive of, the entire basis of the theory is wrong.

The "god gene" merely codes for the production of vesicular monoamine transporter 2 (VMAT2). Its purpose is to act as a method for carrying certain types of neurotransmitters to brain synapses. If you were to inhibit VMAT2 (via this Magic Government Virus), all it would do is make the person exhibit symptoms similar to depression, anxiety, and other mood disorders.

There are lots of people in the world today with inhibited VMAT2 functions. They don't suddenly become atheists willing to rise up against theocrats. They generally are people being treated for depression, anxiety, Parkinson's disease, or drug addiction.

[Joey McGee]

Joey Lambardi has released a document as promised.

FunVax Quarterly Report 06/01/07

It contains information about the plans and progress of the project and purports to explain how the virus does it's work on the brain.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

Only if you don't know anything about gene therapy and brain development.

I think the video is compelling on it's own. Either it's real or that's a hoax, there's no ambiguity on the subject mater discussed in it. If the science is bunk it's evidence that there are mad scientists at the Pentagon.

I appreciated your post, I didn't have anything to say. I don't think the effect of the VMAT2 gene on religiosity is unfounded but I'm not an expert and there are lots of experts still arguing about that now. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the new paper.

[Kid Eager]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

I think the video is compelling on it's own. Either it's real or that's a hoax, there's no ambiguity on the subject mater discussed in it. If the science is bunk it's evidence that there are mad scientists at the Pentagon.

I appreciated your post, I didn't have anything to say. I don't think the effect of the VMAT2 gene on religiosity is unfounded but I'm not an expert and there are lots of experts still arguing about that now. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the new paper.

linky please to the arguing experts - I would like to see an expert perspective on this.

[Joey McGee]

Firstly it has not been published in a peer-reviewed paper so basically all you can do is argue about it, it's not settled. I said it like that because I came across a news story about a professor giving a talk mostly about Hamer's God Gene (against it) and there were some interesting points in the summary of the talk. Clearly to him, it's not settled despite his negative-sounding projection

I also found an interesting paper on a laboratory course a school did on the God gene from 2007 that might be fantastically interesting.

Experimenting with Spirituality: Analyzing The God Gene in a Nonmajors Laboratory Course

[Hecubas]

Or maybe the uprisings are a result of something else described as viral--media. I'd say it's quite likely online access and social sites have led many to realize they don't have to live under oppression. Seems like a simple and familiar story.

[dudalb]

Is this a variant of the Super Soldier formula?

[INRM]

What's a supersoldier formula?

[Kid Eager]

Originally Posted by INRM

What's a supersoldier formula?

it's like the standardsoldier formula, only bigger. And it's only 50c extra.

[Joey McGee]

Ok guys I actually think this **** is real so stop making fun of me!

Ok maybe not so much.

But seriously how do you explain the video?

It's either a hoax or real or there's mad scientists in the Pentagon.

[Resolver]

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

First of all, this bacteria and/or virus would have to alter existing synaptic cells.

What about in eg infected infants, where synaptic connections are still rapidly changing?

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

The most likely result of a virus targeting the genome of brain cells isn't the removal of the "god gene", but giving everyone infected brain cancer.

There are lots of people in the world today with inhibited VMAT2 functions. They don't suddenly become atheists willing to rise up against theocrats. They generally are people being treated for depression, anxiety, Parkinson's disease, or drug addiction.

Maybe cancer and these other side-effects are not a horrible result in the eyes of some of these people, who might not be so worried about such things much, at this point.

The question is: Is this a real leaked video?

I guess your objections to the science behind achieving the 'intended' results speaks to its authenticity.

I suppose one way to know would be to test for the existence of such a virus? Possible?

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Ok guys I actually think this **** is real so stop making fun of me!

Ok maybe not so much.

But seriously how do you explain the video?

It's either a hoax or real or there's mad scientists in the Pentagon.

So you are asserting that the U.S. government is trying to infect people in foreign countries against their will with an illness that will reduce their belief in God. And that when evidence in favor of this assertion is placed on YouTube, the U.S. government does absolutely nothing to have it taken down. Do I have that right? That is your position, isn't it?

So, have you spotted the problem with your line of reasoning?

[The Charnel Expanse]

if only such a thing actually existed...

[The Charnel Expanse]

Originally Posted by AnnoyingPony

I'm sort of an anime geek, and every time someone mentions the "God gene" I can't help but think of the obscure horror/mystery/thriller anime Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (English: When the Cicadas Cry). In the population of the village of Hinamizawa, there is a disease that has a chance of causing affected individuals to think that the god Oyashiro is following them, and they also become paranoid. Then they start killing people.

Sort of like religious fundies, come to think of it.

obscure? It's one of the most popular franchises of the last decade or so.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

So you are asserting that the U.S. government is trying to infect people in foreign countries against their will with an illness that will reduce their belief in God. And that when evidence in favor of this assertion is placed on YouTube, the U.S. government does absolutely nothing to have it taken down. Do I have that right? That is your position, isn't it?

So, have you spotted the problem with your line of reasoning?

Do you see the problem with your reasoning that the U.S. government could stop this video if it wanted to? It would be amazing if they had power over the internet like that. If it went down it would be impossible to stop the CTs from flooding the internet with it elsewhere. And what if that produced evidence they were suppressing the video, that would give it credibility. No, I don't think stuff not being taken down means it's fake. I see what you're saying.

If you watch the video, and read the document, you have to admit that if it's a hoax it's a good one. The video is either a total hoax, or they coincidentally found some presentation on those areas of the brain and dubbed the audio, then added the text on the side in the close up of the slide which you see at 3:14. So where is that video and that slide from? This will get exposed eventually if it was just stolen from something. If they just faked the audio, well that's pretty well done, I've gotta say.

It's part of the CT lexicon now, so I'm interested. It would be nice to be able to debunk it. We've got videos like, If funvax is true, another example why atheism will kill us all, by Lonestar1776. And the attempted debunkings I've seen haven't really convinced me to give it up.

[Kid Eager]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Do you see the problem with your reasoning that the U.S. government could stop this video if it wanted to? It would be amazing if they had power over the internet like that. If it went down it would be impossible to stop the CTs from flooding the internet with it elsewhere. And what if that produced evidence they were suppressing the video, that would give it credibility. No, I don't think stuff not being taken down means it's fake. I see what you're saying.

If you watch the video, and read the document, you have to admit that if it's a hoax it's a good one. The video is either a total hoax, or they coincidentally found some presentation on those areas of the brain and dubbed the audio, then added the text on the side in the close up of the slide which you see at 3:14. So where is that video and that slide from? This will get exposed eventually if it was just stolen from something. If they just faked the audio, well that's pretty well done, I've gotta say.

It's part of the CT lexicon now, so I'm interested. It would be nice to be able to debunk it. We've got videos like, If funvax is true, another example why atheism will kill us all, by Lonestar1776. And the attempted debunkings I've seen haven't really convinced me to give it up.

Well enjoy your insecurity, in that case. You appear to have made no effort yourself, taking a video claim by some random on the internet as fact. Meanwhile, I have other interesting things to do in my life instead of being somebody's googleproxy...

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by The Charnel Expanse

if only such a thing actually existed...

Indeed. However I think religion will be more difficult to eradicate than smallpox.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

So you are asserting that the U.S. government is trying to infect people in foreign countries against their will with an illness that will reduce their belief in God. And that when evidence in favor of this assertion is placed on YouTube, the U.S. government does absolutely nothing to have it taken down. Do I have that right? That is your position, isn't it?

So, have you spotted the problem with your line of reasoning?

This is something I have always found difficult to understand.

Not pointing at anyone in particular, but the CT reasoning says that the ebil gubmint has put a sooper sekret conspiracy in place to do X.

Nonetheless, when some uber jootube child exposes it, the ebil gubmint does not stop them. Oh no, it sicks disinfo agents to discredit them somehow.

It's incredible, why not shut down the website, or have the jootuber disappear, or delete the vids, or block the relevant IP? No the sooper ebil gubmint prefers to leave the vids or whatever up for all to see and just argue.

I am sure it makes sense to someone out there in internetland, but who?

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Kid Eager

Well enjoy your insecurity,

What kind of comment is this? I made some joking comments maybe.

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in that case. You appear to have made no effort yourself,

Well the time I spent trying to understand if this was really possible was interesting but inconclusive.

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taking a video claim by some random on the internet as fact.

No, I am clearly still skeptical, I just don't think you can completely discount it, why can you?

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Meanwhile, I have other interesting things to do in my life instead of being somebody's googleproxy...

What does this even mean? You were the one who asked me for links for people arguing about the God gene, which I googled and provided...

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by abaddon

This is something I have always found difficult to understand.

Not pointing at anyone in particular, but the CT reasoning says that the ebil gubmint has put a sooper sekret conspiracy in place to do X.

Nonetheless, when some uber jootube child exposes it, the ebil gubmint does not stop them. Oh no, it sicks disinfo agents to discredit them somehow.

It's incredible, why not shut down the website, or have the jootuber disappear, or delete the vids, or block the relevant IP? No the sooper ebil gubmint prefers to leave the vids or whatever up for all to see and just argue.

I am sure it makes sense to someone out there in internetland, but who?

indeed

[Safe-Keeper]

That video is just adorable. I just stopped it at about 3:10, when he starts talking about how the CT is credible because "it's how I expect atheists to treat human beings".

[redneck] Pard'ner, I thought it was them Negroes who weren't human. [/redneck]

Can't you just see the rainbow, hear the hooves of galloping unicorns and smell the faery dust of this guy's world? No, me neither.

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Do you see the problem with your reasoning that the U.S. government could stop this video if it wanted to? It would be amazing if they had power over the internet like that. If it went down it would be impossible to stop the CTs from flooding the internet with it elsewhere. And what if that produced evidence they were suppressing the video, that would give it credibility. No, I don't think stuff not being taken down means it's fake. I see what you're saying.

Wine in Front of Me logic.

If a video is taken down, it's evidence of a conspiracy.

If a video is not taken down, it supports the idea of a conspiracy.

Likewise with guarded vs. unguarded facilities:

Unguarded: "Of course the HAARP superweapon is undefended! Otherwise everyone would grow suspicious!"

Heavily guarded: "If FEMA aren't planning to round us all up into camps, why are certain compounds so heavily guarded?"

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Nonetheless, when some uber jootube child exposes it, the ebil gubmint does not stop them. Oh no, it sicks disinfo agents to discredit them somehow.

Look at when actual US "conspiracies" were revealed when WikiLeaks dumped

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Wine in Front of Me logic.

If a video is taken down, it's evidence of a conspiracy.

If a video is not taken down, it supports the idea of a conspiracy.

I don't think it's evidence, all I'm saying is that if you're concerned why it wasn't taken down, there is an equally valid consideration that it wouldn't be.

To be clear my only solid statements here have been along the lines of, if it's a hoax, it is a good hoax.

[Safe-Keeper]

Stopped watching the YouTube clip at six minutes. Gawd, what a bigot.

[BenBurch]

Originally Posted by The Charnel Expanse

if only such a thing actually existed...

I'd release it immediately. In the USA. At a Southern Baptist convention...

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Stopped watching the YouTube clip at six minutes. Gawd, what a bigot.

Then you missed the best part where he suggests you write a letter of support to a voice we need in this fight...

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Kent Hovind #06452-017
FCI Jesup Satellite Camp
2650 US Highway 301 South
Jesup, GA 31599-5676 USA

[A'isha]

Originally Posted by Resolver

What about in eg infected infants, where synaptic connections are still rapidly changing?

That's slightly more plausible (though it still ignores the fact that such an airborne virus would still be light-years ahead of known gene therapy technology, as well as the cancer/meningitis outcomes).

But the claimed FunVax doesn't work that way, since part of the claims is that it was tested on adult fundamentalist Muslims in US custody, and that the recent Arab Spring uprisings are a direct result of the release of the final virus.

And it ain't babies that are rioting in Syria, I can tell you that much.

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Maybe cancer and these other side-effects are not a horrible result in the eyes of some of these people, who might not be so worried about such things much, at this point.

True. But side effects of the virus aren't even discussed in any of the above information, and there certainly hasn't been a WHO-reported rise in cancer or meningitis that you might expect from a virus infecting the brain to alter its very genetic structure. There hasn't even been an epidemic of reports of acute influenza, which is how symptoms of infection by VSV, the virus supposedly used as the vector according to the "quarterly report", usually appear in humans.

The only side effect it talks about, in fact, is a "benign blepharospasm", which isn't a normal symptom of VSV infection either in animals or humans, as far as I can tell. FunVax-ized VSV appears to be so asymptomatic, in fact, that the recommendations in the "quarterly report" for determining the infection rate are primarily behavioral, and only secondarily looking for indications of blepharospasm (with the additional minor suggestion of attempting to test biological samples taken from infected persons).

Given the above, the supposed military scientists who created FunVax appear to have accomplished a double biogenetic coup - not only have they created the worlds first and only method of genetic manipulation of an entire population via an airborne virus, they've completely rendered an infectious virus that alters the genetic structure of the brain almost entirely asymptomatic save for non-life-threatening eye twitches in just one quarter of one percent of everyone who gets infected!

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

To be clear my only solid statements here have been along the lines of, if it's a hoax, it is a good hoax.

No, it's not. Find a lecture hall somewhere, and get some people dressed as scientists and military offers to sit around as a faked power-point plays. Throw in some biology that would make a Sci-Fi Channel Original Movie scriptwriter giggle, then record the whole thing and upload it to YouTube.

Voila. Instant conspiracy theory, backed up by a "leaked Pentagon video".

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

I don't think it's evidence, all I'm saying is that if you're concerned why it wasn't taken down, there is an equally valid consideration that it wouldn't be.

No. It is not an equally valid consideration. It is absurdly easy for someone to have a video taken off of YouTube. If any part of what is being proposed were true the government would be willing to do anything to keep it secret - even murder. No government as evil as the one you are proposing would let the video remain online.

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

Voila. Instant conspiracy theory, backed up by a "leaked Pentagon video".

Yeah, it is really easy to leak Pentagon videos. And when someone does leak one that is an order of magnitude more explosive than any leaked document in the modern history of the United States, he doesn't take it to the media or to the Swiss embassy, he puts it on YouTube. Ya shure. If you are done pulling that leg have a go at the other one.