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Funvax: Viral vaccine alters God gene, released into the Middle East successfully
Joey Lambardi purports to be a whistleblower who's been AWOL for several months. He purports to have once belonged to a special unit of the military called Combat Camera. June 1st a video was released to the internet and it's going viral. It purports to be
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Joey claims to have no proof that they have actually used it because the information he has is outdated. He purports to have documents that he will be releasing in the future. There was a hype up to this video release and it seems to have lived up to it so maybe these will be real documents. He mentions he is too afraid of the heat on Wikileaks to go there. There is an interview with him at the main blog which will be where any future documents show up. The most important part of the interview was this
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He thinks that the new stability, Iran protests, Arab Spring, etc were caused by the release of this viral vaccine. They have a 2 minute video about this.
You might ask, how could anyone really be against that? He explains...
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I wouldn't give it any mind if I were you, stuff like that (along with the gay gene) can only exist in bad science fiction.
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I'm sort of an anime geek, and every time someone mentions the "God gene" I can't help but think of the obscure horror/mystery/thriller anime Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (English: When the Cicadas Cry). In the population of the village of Hinamizawa, there is a disease that has a chance of causing affected individuals to think that the god Oyashiro is following them, and they also become paranoid. Then they start killing people.
Sort of like religious fundies, come to think of it. |
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Snirk.
God gene. Are they going to alter the criminal gene next? |
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I can't tell from the OP if the idea is to transmit genes through a viral or a bacterial vector. In either case, it would seem to require altering somatic cells to get some sort of rewiring of the brain?
Or is it a way to alter cells so progeny will be God-gene free in the next generation? But this doesn't fit your timeline. I don't see how this is at all workable. Just watched the video. The two brain scans are of the same brain. You can tell this because the artifacts are identical. That's a problem according to what they purport to show... I am calling this one bogus. |
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Alas curing religion isn't likely to be so easy.
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The release of the Woo gene is proving to be a spectacular success.
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So, arguments for incredulity only hrmmm? The "God gene" idea is both commonly misunderstood and not proven wrong, it's possible.
The video seems genuine, I can't seriously imagine someone faking that. They are indeed the same brain, it was for the purposes of a presentation to some spooks perhaps that's why it was implied they were two different people? The overall explanation of the phenomenon still holds up. It's actually one of the more plausible CTs I have heard in long time. |
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Only if you don't know anything about gene therapy and brain development.
First of all, this bacteria and/or virus would have to alter existing synaptic cells. It can't simply alter some, and let cellular reproduction spread the altered genome through the organism (that is, adenoviral methods won't work, since brain cells aren't a growing cell population). In effect, it means infecting most if not all of the brain with this virus/bacteria. I'm not sure how a bacteria would transfer genetic material from itself to a brain cell, and there are some pretty severe problems with using lysogenic viral infections (not least of which is that the new genes are inserted randomly into the host cell's genome. The most likely result of a virus targeting the genome of brain cells isn't the removal of the "god gene", but giving everyone infected brain cancer. And, even if by some miracle this Secret Government Project could develop a gene therapy that is both more advanced and more successful than anything that any other research team working on gene therapy could even conceive of, the entire basis of the theory is wrong. The "god gene" merely codes for the production of vesicular monoamine transporter 2 (VMAT2). Its purpose is to act as a method for carrying certain types of neurotransmitters to brain synapses. If you were to inhibit VMAT2 (via this Magic Government Virus), all it would do is make the person exhibit symptoms similar to depression, anxiety, and other mood disorders. There are lots of people in the world today with inhibited VMAT2 functions. They don't suddenly become atheists willing to rise up against theocrats. They generally are people being treated for depression, anxiety, Parkinson's disease, or drug addiction. |
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Joey Lambardi has released a document as promised.
FunVax Quarterly Report 06/01/07 It contains information about the plans and progress of the project and purports to explain how the virus does it's work on the brain. |
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I think the video is compelling on it's own. Either it's real or that's a hoax, there's no ambiguity on the subject mater discussed in it. If the science is bunk it's evidence that there are mad scientists at the Pentagon.
I appreciated your post, I didn't have anything to say. I don't think the effect of the VMAT2 gene on religiosity is unfounded but I'm not an expert and there are lots of experts still arguing about that now. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the new paper. |
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Firstly it has not been published in a peer-reviewed paper so basically all you can do is argue about it, it's not settled. I said it like that because I came across a news story about a professor giving a talk mostly about Hamer's God Gene (against it) and there were some interesting points in the summary of the talk. Clearly to him, it's not settled despite his negative-sounding projection
I also found an interesting paper on a laboratory course a school did on the God gene from 2007 that might be fantastically interesting. Experimenting with Spirituality: Analyzing The God Gene in a Nonmajors Laboratory Course |
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Or maybe the uprisings are a result of something else described as viral--media. I'd say it's quite likely online access and social sites have led many to realize they don't have to live under oppression. Seems like a simple and familiar story.
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Is this a variant of the Super Soldier formula?
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What's a supersoldier formula?
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Ok guys I actually think this **** is real so stop making fun of me!
Ok maybe not so much. But seriously how do you explain the video? It's either a hoax or real or there's mad scientists in the Pentagon. |
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Works on infant brains? Cancer, depression side-effects a concern for proponents?
What about in eg infected infants, where synaptic connections are still rapidly changing?
Maybe cancer and these other side-effects are not a horrible result in the eyes of some of these people, who might not be so worried about such things much, at this point. The question is: Is this a real leaked video? I guess your objections to the science behind achieving the 'intended' results speaks to its authenticity. I suppose one way to know would be to test for the existence of such a virus? Possible? |
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So you are asserting that the U.S. government is trying to infect people in foreign countries against their will with an illness that will reduce their belief in God. And that when evidence in favor of this assertion is placed on YouTube, the U.S. government does absolutely nothing to have it taken down. Do I have that right? That is your position, isn't it?
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if only such a thing actually existed...
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Do you see the problem with your reasoning that the U.S. government could stop this video if it wanted to? It would be amazing if they had power over the internet like that. If it went down it would be impossible to stop the CTs from flooding the internet with it elsewhere. And what if that produced evidence they were suppressing the video, that would give it credibility. No, I don't think stuff not being taken down means it's fake. I see what you're saying.
If you watch the video, and read the document, you have to admit that if it's a hoax it's a good one. The video is either a total hoax, or they coincidentally found some presentation on those areas of the brain and dubbed the audio, then added the text on the side in the close up of the slide which you see at 3:14. So where is that video and that slide from? This will get exposed eventually if it was just stolen from something. If they just faked the audio, well that's pretty well done, I've gotta say. It's part of the CT lexicon now, so I'm interested. It would be nice to be able to debunk it. We've got videos like, If funvax is true, another example why atheism will kill us all, by Lonestar1776. And the attempted debunkings I've seen haven't really convinced me to give it up. |
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This is something I have always found difficult to understand.
Not pointing at anyone in particular, but the CT reasoning says that the ebil gubmint has put a sooper sekret conspiracy in place to do X. Nonetheless, when some uber jootube child exposes it, the ebil gubmint does not stop them. Oh no, it sicks disinfo agents to discredit them somehow. It's incredible, why not shut down the website, or have the jootuber disappear, or delete the vids, or block the relevant IP? No the sooper ebil gubmint prefers to leave the vids or whatever up for all to see and just argue. I am sure it makes sense to someone out there in internetland, but who? |
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What kind of comment is this? I made some joking comments maybe.
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That video is just adorable. I just stopped it at about 3:10, when he starts talking about how the CT is credible because "it's how I expect atheists to treat human beings"
![]() [redneck] Pard'ner, I thought it was them Negroes who weren't human. [/redneck] Can't you just see the rainbow, hear the hooves of galloping unicorns and smell the faery dust of this guy's world? No, me neither.
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If a video is taken down, it's evidence of a conspiracy.Likewise with guarded vs. unguarded facilities: Unguarded: "Of course the HAARP superweapon is undefended! Otherwise everyone would grow suspicious!"
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Stopped watching the YouTube clip at six minutes. Gawd, what a bigot.
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That's slightly more plausible (though it still ignores the fact that such an airborne virus would still be light-years ahead of known gene therapy technology, as well as the cancer/meningitis outcomes).
But the claimed FunVax doesn't work that way, since part of the claims is that it was tested on adult fundamentalist Muslims in US custody, and that the recent Arab Spring uprisings are a direct result of the release of the final virus. And it ain't babies that are rioting in Syria, I can tell you that much.
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The only side effect it talks about, in fact, is a "benign blepharospasm", which isn't a normal symptom of VSV infection either in animals or humans, as far as I can tell. FunVax-ized VSV appears to be so asymptomatic, in fact, that the recommendations in the "quarterly report" for determining the infection rate are primarily behavioral, and only secondarily looking for indications of blepharospasm (with the additional minor suggestion of attempting to test biological samples taken from infected persons). Given the above, the supposed military scientists who created FunVax appear to have accomplished a double biogenetic coup - not only have they created the worlds first and only method of genetic manipulation of an entire population via an airborne virus, they've completely rendered an infectious virus that alters the genetic structure of the brain almost entirely asymptomatic save for non-life-threatening eye twitches in just one quarter of one percent of everyone who gets infected! No, it's not. Find a lecture hall somewhere, and get some people dressed as scientists and military offers to sit around as a faked power-point plays. Throw in some biology that would make a Sci-Fi Channel Original Movie scriptwriter giggle, then record the whole thing and upload it to YouTube. Voila. Instant conspiracy theory, backed up by a "leaked Pentagon video". |
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No. It is not an equally valid consideration. It is absurdly easy for someone to have a video taken off of YouTube. If any part of what is being proposed were true the government would be willing to do anything to keep it secret - even murder. No government as evil as the one you are proposing would let the video remain online.
Yeah, it is really easy to leak Pentagon videos. And when someone does leak one that is an order of magnitude more explosive than any leaked document in the modern history of the United States, he doesn't take it to the media or to the Swiss embassy, he puts it on YouTube. Ya shure. If you are done pulling that leg have a go at the other one. |
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