The Bible proves that Jesus is the DEVIL

The Bible proves that Jesus is the DEVIL

Look at these verses from John’s Gospel

John 13:21-27 (Jesus Tells Who Will Turn Against Him)

Notice that Judas is an innocent victim here. Judas was POSSESSED by Satan on the behest of Jesus.

It was Jesus who dipped the bread in an apparently ENCHANTED WINE and thus caused POOR Judas to become CONTROLLED by Jesus’ crony.

So Jesus, in order to carry out his plan, caused poor unfortunate Judas to be POSSESSED by a DEMON and to do a deed that Judas would have not willingly carried out had he not been ENCHANTED and under magical SPELL.

So here you have it folks….. Jesus IS THE DEVIL according to the Bible ITSELF.

Of course that is not surprising when you consider that Jesus as the counter ego of YHWH was already, for a long time since, quite versed in LYING and DECEPTION.

1 Kings 22:22-23


Ezekiel 14:9

that what happens when you have two daddys?

My lord and master Satan is getting really upset that you are reveling all of his closely guarded secrets!

No mortal mind was supposed to be able to see through the lies of the master of flies!

His voice has risen to my ears from the depths of the lake of fire.
If you do not stop your viscous attacks on the Innocent lord of hell he will use his power against you!

He has mentioned punishments such as causing your meatloaf to burn a little and losing more than one sock in the dryer.

I'm just giving you a heads up on this.

Brattus said:

He has mentioned punishments such as causing your meatloaf to burn a little and losing more than one sock in the dryer.

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Wait, isn't this the punishment of Phil, the Prince of Insufficient Light? Who do you work for again?

Leumas said:

Notice that Judas is an innocent victim here. Judas was POSSESSED by Satan on the behest of Jesus.

It was Jesus who dipped the bread in an apparently ENCHANTED WINE and thus caused POOR Judas to become CONTROLLED by Jesus’ crony.

So Jesus, in order to carry out his plan, caused poor unfortunate Judas to be POSSESSED by a DEMON and to do a deed that Judas would have not willingly carried out had he not been ENCHANTED and under magical SPELL.

So here you have it folks….. Jesus IS THE DEVIL according to the Bible ITSELF.

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This is definitely one of your more amusing threads. Nothing you posted actually supports your conclusion. I'm going to assume, on faith alone, that your post was actually supposed to make sense.

There's nothing in here that states that Jesus caused anyone to behave in any way. Just because Jesus says that something will happen, and it does, doesn't mean that he is the cause of it. When the weather man says it will rain tomorrow, he is not making it rain.

Even ignoring that flaw for a moment, where on earth do you get the idea that Jesus is Satan? Taken the quoted section (minus the very last part) as a given, where do you get the idea that Jesus and Satan are somehow the same being? Does it logically follow from what you posted? Please illustrate this.

There's this problem amongst these discussions, wherein the Christian perceives the atheist as nothing but a loudmouthed hateful buffoon. When threads like this get posted, the Christian's contentions more closely resemble reality. I don't know why you would give them this ammunition. You should stop.

what an amusing streeeeeetch.

Leumas said:

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Of course that is not surprising when you consider that Jesus as the counter ego of YHWH was already, for a long time since, quite versed in LYING and DECEPTION.
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How do you figure Jesus is the counter ego of YHWH and what is the definition, is it this?

According to Jung, these rejected traits come together as a kind of unconscious "counter-ego,' which he termed the shadow. This shadow self is often experienced in dreams as another person.

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I Am The Scum said:

There's nothing in here that states that Jesus caused anyone to behave in any way. Just because Jesus says that something will happen, and it does, doesn't mean that he is the cause of it. When the weather man says it will rain tomorrow, he is not making it rain.

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What about when a magician says he is going to do something and it happens…. Is he PREDICTING the occurrence of a future event or is he CAUSING the event to happen?

Jesus said someone is going to betray him. They asked him who? Instead of saying “Judas” outright without any TRICKERY, he instead proceeded to dip a piece of bread into wine then hand it to one of them who was then “ENTERED by the devil”. Could there be cause and effect there? By the way….do you know that in those days and actually still today, it was commonly believed that demons can enter people through food and thus a person can cause someone to be possessed by enchanting some food?

Does this sound like a MAGIC TRICK? Could it be that the legerdemain of Jesus caused the devil to enter into Judas? Why couldn’t Jesus EXORCISE the devil from Judas just as he did the lunatic a few chapters earlier? He already knew the demon's name and did not need to ask. Could he not utter some magic spell, or maybe mix some spit with some wine or mud? Why did he let the devil takeover Judas and not even attempt to remove the devil? Was it maybe that he wanted the devil to compel Judas to do what Judas would have never done, all for the purpose of carrying out the DIVINE FARSE?

I Am The Scum said:

Even ignoring that flaw for a moment

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In your logic not mine.

I Am The Scum said:

, where on earth do you get the idea that Jesus is Satan? Taken the quoted section (minus the very last part) as a given, where do you get the idea that Jesus and Satan are somehow the same being? Does it logically follow from what you posted? Please illustrate this.

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I am using some logical extrapolation here. Since Jesus is also the father and the Holy Ghost. He is Three in one and One in three and although not quite a LEGION, it may have been that Satan is yet ONE MORE manifestation of the three in one …. Why not four in one. Just as there are four winds and there are four corners of the earth which were the justification for why there are four gospels….then why not make a Holy Quaternary…. The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost and The Mighty One….. it also makes much more sense when we cross ourselves….. a cross has FOUR corners if you have noticed not three…. Three names to make the sign of the cross has always puzzled me…. It is not quite perfect…. There are four corners …. There is a missing manifestation…. Who is better than the Devil to complete the divine CAST.

If Jesus can command the devil to enter into Judas through wine-dipped bread then Jesus had perfect command over the devil and thus he is a bigger devil. He was using him for vile ends and he never ordered him to stop plaguing human kind in the first place (remember Eve).

Just as Jesus made the devil enter Judas for the purpose of compelling the unfortunate Judas to do an act he would not have liked to do (I mean getting your guts spewed out as a reward is not an appetizing prospect), why could he not have been the ORIGINAL SNAKE that compelled Eve to eat the fruit? It all makes sense in order to start the whole original sin mess in the first place. How else could he then have an excuse to be of any use whatsoever?

YHWH had the Jews and everything was hunky dory. Jesus had no role to play in the cosmic drama. Imagine sitting around twiddling his thumbs for all this time. If there was no original sin then there would NEVER be any need for him at all. So one day he had an epiphany to appear to Eve as a snake and the rest is history or more appropriately the vilest myth ever penned.

I Am The Scum said:

There's this problem amongst these discussions, wherein the Christian perceives the atheist as nothing but a loudmouthed hateful buffoon. When threads like this get posted, the Christian's contentions more closely resemble reality. I don't know why you would give them this ammunition. You should stop.

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YES MASTER…..at your command master….. any further GAG orders master? Maybe you would like me to burn all the books written along the same lines as my humble attempts at wry humor. Maybe you would like me to stop thinking too while you are it.

Why are you afraid of offending a few humorless fundamentalists? I am sure their sense of humor would be restored if only they could just burn me at a stake along with all and any books that point out problems in the bible as well as their writers. Maybe you might watch and feel we deserve it for being “loudmouthed hateful buffoons”. You would only be living up to your user name.

Brattus said:

My lord and master Satan is getting really upset that you are reveling all of his closely guarded secrets!

No mortal mind was supposed to be able to see through the lies of the master of flies!

His voice has risen to my ears from the depths of the lake of fire.
If you do not stop your viscous attacks on the Innocent lord of hell he will use his power against you!

He has mentioned punishments such as causing your meatloaf to burn a little and losing more than one sock in the dryer.

I'm just giving you a heads up on this.

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Funny you should specifically mention meatloaf.... I actually had one last night...unburned though....I did lose a sock however only last week..... nooooooo... it is happening.

Ethnikos said:

How do you figure Jesus is the counter ego of YHWH and what is the definition, is it this?

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I am alluding to the TRINITY.... and since YHWH was all about revenge and racism and hate and killing while Jesus not so much, and given they are the SAME person then they are counter egos.....no? Sort of a Jekyll and Hyde precursor or maybe the Biblical writers were plagiarized Star Wars.

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Stole the words right out of my mouth.

Yes, it would appear as though we've found the atheist Poe.

Leumas, if you have any interest in making sense, then read up on sufficient conditions, re-read what I posted, and then actually respond to what I said. I'm interested in an intellectual discussion. Whenever you'd like to join in, just let me know.

I Am The Scum said:

Stole the words right out of my mouth.

Yes, it would appear as though we've found the atheist Poe.

Leumas, if you have any interest in making sense, then read up on sufficient conditions, re-read what I posted, and then actually respond to what I said. I'm interested in an intellectual discussion. Whenever you'd like to join in, just let me know.

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Mr. Scum
I think Humor is a little above your comprehension level.

The whole bible is a MYTH in case you have not noticed and applying any logic to it would be like applying Perfume to a piece of Turd.

If you have any interest in Humor then maybe you should learn what it means. Applying logical rigor to humor and tongue in cheek prose is defeating the purpose somewhat..... but you won't appreciate that at your current level. So if you reach that level you can perhaps reread what I posted and maybe laugh a little and stop being such a stuffed shirt. I am not interested in Scum haughty intellectualism so I decline your insincere invitation.

Leumas said:

I am alluding to the TRINITY.... and since YHWH was all about revenge and racism and hate and killing while Jesus not so much, and given they are the SAME person then they are counter egos.....no? Sort of a Jekyll and Hyde precursor or maybe the Biblical writers were plagiarized Star Wars.

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OK, so the How is by assuming that Yahweh is the Father of Jesus.
The What is like an alternate personality of the greater person-hood of the Godhead.
I was just trying to establish that was what your claim was.
My objection to it may be considered not valid to most people because I have a fundamental disagreement with the premise you are working with, which would probably seem valid enough to most.
So I would be just throwing out a random objection from the peanut gallery, to say that no, Yahweh was not the father of Jesus and had actually slid into the full time role of being Satan, when he reached the height of evil manifesting behavior in instigating the murder of Jesus.
That Yahweh was the senior god of the group of gods who came to Earth to guide the people but had become corrupted by the rivalries created by this one who decided his tribe or nation was to dominate all others.
The actual supreme God who lives in a state of being which is unique unto Himself and who existed before anything else existed, is too holy to be a demigod on this otherwise insignificant planet. That One is the Father of Jesus.

Ethnikos said:

OK, so the How is by assuming that Yahweh is the Father of Jesus.
The What is like an alternate personality of the greater person-hood of the Godhead.
I was just trying to establish that was what your claim was.
My objection to it may be considered not valid to most people because I have a fundamental disagreement with the premise you are working with, which would probably seem valid enough to most.
So I would be just throwing out a random objection from the peanut gallery, to say that no, Yahweh was not the father of Jesus and had actually slid into the full time role of being Satan, when he reached the height of evil manifesting behavior in instigating the murder of Jesus.
That Yahweh was the senior god of the group of gods who came to Earth to guide the people but had become corrupted by the rivalries created by this one who decided his tribe or nation was to dominate all others.
The actual supreme God who lives in a state of being which is unique unto Himself and who existed before anything else existed, is too holy to be a demigod on this otherwise insignificant planet. That One is the Father of Jesus.

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Have you heard of Marcionism and Gnosticism?

So what you are saying is that Jesus was killed by a nasty plot and was not an act of expiation for human sin??

Leumas said:

Have you heard of Marcionism and Gnosticism?

So what you are saying is that Jesus was killed by a nasty plot and was not an act of expiation for human sin??

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Yes I have and I don't, like a lot of people do, consider it heresy.
I believe it was the original Christianity and it was the institution of an official religious bureaucracy with paid clergy which made a politically correct version of Christianity which we have today and is completely blasphemous and an insult on our God who created the entire universe.

Edit to add: Yes I am aware of those terms mentioned.
No I don't go for a blood sacrifice to atone for the sins against Yahweh.
Jesus did die by taking the burden upon himself, not to pay that debt, but to annihilate that old covenant which demanded the payment, and to initiate a new covenant in Heaven with the universal God in the temple not made by human hands.

Ethnikos said:

Yes I have and I don't, like a lot of people do, consider it heresy.
I believe it was the original Christianity and it was the institution of an official religious bureaucracy with paid clergy which made a politically correct version of Christianity which we have today and is completely blasphemous and an insult on our God who created the entire universe.

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Thou mayest be a deist, but nary though knowest….. but with a twist of Jesus for seasoning.

Ethnikos said:

Edit to add: Yes I am aware of those terms mentioned.
No I don't go for a blood sacrifice to atone for the sins against Yahweh.
Jesus did die by taking the burden upon himself, not to pay that debt, but to annihilate that old covenant which demanded the payment, and to initiate a new covenant in Heaven with the universal God in the temple not made by human hands.

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FASCINATING… I think this is not at all far removed from Gnosticism. I think there are still Gnostics around today. I am not sure it is much fun to join their ranks if what Tertulian said about their practices is true. I doubt that he was however.

However, I don’t think Gnostics believed that Jesus was in fact crucified…. Or was that Ebionites?

Christianity started splitting into sects almost from its inception. Jesus had barely sat on his pearl encrusted gold throne before the Apostles were fighting. Most of Paul’s epistles were to settle eschatological and theological disputes between members of the churches he established. Not to mention that Paulinism was a major departure from Christianity in the first place.

I always maintain, any religion that has sects is not a true one by definition.

I am invoking Poe's Law.

Leumas said:

Jesus is the DEVIL . . . . .

When Judas took the bread, Satan entered him.

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So Satan is not the devil?

Church Lady is going to be quite disappointed about this.