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Limited skill(ers)' reflexive response is to avoid any actual practice that may help them to be aware of their subjective limitations, simply because by being aware of their subjective limitations they are also aware of their responsibility to be changed from within right from the objective calm level of awareness, where only this change enables to be aware and act in terms of Universality.

In other words, limited skill(ers)' stay limited exactly because they get everything only in terms of their subjective awareness at the level of thoughts.
 
doronshadmi said:
Limited skill(ers)' reflexive response is to avoid any actual practice that may help them to be aware of their subjective limitations, simply because by being aware of their subjective limitations they are also aware of their responsibility to be changed from within right from the objective calm level of awareness, where only this change enables to be aware and act in terms of Universality.

In other words, limited skill(ers)' stay limited exactly because they get everything only in terms of their subjective awareness at the level of thoughts.
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Doron, why are you now so focused on your imaginary friends and what they can or cannot avoid rather than discuss actual mathematics? Is this pretend conversation you are having with no one so fulfilling you have abandoned any rational communication with real people?
 
doronshadmi said:
Here’s a hint, the ignorant skill(er) has to work on being more harmonious with him\her self (where the self is the calm presence of awareness during expressions, which is exactly the universal Y one realm.
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"Here's a hint..."

Y

Something has been feeding you with crap, and the name of that something starts with Y. Let me take a wild guess . . .

Yahweh?

Things like that happened before.
Cantor's theory of transfinite numbers was originally regarded as so counter-intuitive—even shocking—that it encountered resistance from mathematical contemporaries such as Leopold Kronecker and Henri Poincaré and later from Hermann Weyl and L. E. J. Brouwer, while Ludwig Wittgenstein raised philosophical objections. Some Christian theologians (particularly neo-Scholastics) saw Cantor's work as a challenge to the uniqueness of the absolute infinity in the nature of God, on one occasion equating the theory of transfinite numbers with pantheism.
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There was a way to appease some of those Christian theologians, though.
Cantor believed his theory of transfinite numbers had been communicated to him by God.
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There is surely a difference between neural intervention caused by God and by Yahweh - the GY ending.

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theologY

Doron, you are not the only one who gets "inspired" around here, coz Yahweh, in his pagan form, used to be the god of everlasting rigidity. Since the other gods laughed at him, he tried to open his mind, but whenever he did it, a swarm of flies flew out and a rotten banana peel fell from his head.
 
What is experienced within one's mind as immaterial entity (one's awareness) recognizes what is out of one's mind as material entity.

This in\out dichotomy is the way of how reasoning actually distinguishes between different levels of awareness, but this dichotomy has no actual existence exactly because these different levels are like different levels of waves of the same sea, such that there is actually no dichotomy but only the Unity of one being, which is aware of itself.

In order to be aware of the Unity of one being, the mind actually has to transcendent the level of thoughts (the realm of expressed waves) and directly know the calm source of any possible expression, which is actually not itself a thought.

By regularly practicing techniques that enable the mind to be aware of its calm source (to actually directly be aware of itself), Reasoning, as known in terms of dichotomy, is transformed to Unity awareness, such that the calm state is known (is not lost) during the different levels of awareness.

Furthermore, what is known as love and compassion is exactly the properties of one's awareness that are not restricted by reasoning, such that more they are developed, more one's mind become aware of the Unity of one being, until Reasoning and Heart are fulfilled as the unbounded Unity.

Only then awareness achieves its ability to express itself by actual harmony among its expressions, by naturally avoiding contradictions (mutual destruction), such that each expression is an organ of a one realm.

Furthermore, only by actually being a one organism, real creativity is expressed by infinitely many complex ways that are derived from one simplicity that naturally prevents contradictions among its expressed organs.
 
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Organic Mathematics' goal is to achieve actual harmony among Reasoning and Heart.

What is experienced within one's mind as immaterial entity (one's awareness) recognizes what is out of one's mind as material entity.

This in\out dichotomy is the way of how reasoning actually distinguishes between different levels of awareness, but this dichotomy has no actual existence exactly because these different levels are like different levels of waves of the same sea, such that there is actually no dichotomy but only the Unity of one being, which is aware of itself.

In order to be aware of the Unity of one being, the mind actually has to transcendent the level of thoughts (the realm of expressed waves) and directly know the calm source of any possible expression, which is actually not itself a thought.

By regularly practicing techniques that enable the mind to be aware of its calm source (to actually directly be aware of itself), Reasoning, as known in terms of dichotomy, is transformed to Unity awareness, such that the calm state is known (is not lost) during the different levels of awareness.

Furthermore, what is known as love and compassion is exactly the properties of one's awareness that are not restricted by reasoning's dichotomy, such that more they are developed, more one's mind become aware of the Unity of one being, until Reasoning and Heart are fulfilled as the unbounded Unity.

Only then awareness achieves its ability to express itself by actual harmony among its expressions, by naturally avoiding contradictions (mutual destruction of diversity) such that each expression is an organ of a one realm.

By actually being a one organism, real creativity is expressed by infinitely many complex ways that are derived from one simplicity that naturally prevents contradictions among its expressed organs.
 
doronshadmi said:
What is experienced within one's mind as immaterial entity (one's awareness) recognizes what is out of one's mind as material entity.

This in\out dichotomy is the way of how reasoning actually distinguishes between different levels of awareness, but this dichotomy has no actual existence exactly because these different levels are like different levels of waves of the same sea, such that there is actually no dichotomy but only the Unity of one being, which is aware of itself.
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So as usual you assert some “dichotomy” just to claim “this dichotomy has no actual existence”. Next time just skip the first step (claiming some dichotomy) then you won’t have to waste time asserting such “dichotomy has no actual existence”. Who knows you then you might even find yourself in agreement with yourself.


doronshadmi said:
In order to be aware of the Unity of one being, the mind actually has to transcendent the level of thoughts (the realm of expressed waves) and directly know the calm source of any possible expression, which is actually not itself a thought.

By regularly practicing techniques that enable the mind to be aware of its calm source (to actually directly be aware of itself), Reasoning, as known in terms of dichotomy, is transformed to Unity awareness, such that the calm state is known (is not lost) during the different levels of awareness.
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Or you could just skip all that dichotomy nonsense (since you claim it doesn’t exist anyway) and actually learn how the brain functions.


doronshadmi said:
Furthermore, what is known as love and compassion is exactly the properties of one's awareness that are not restricted by reasoning, such that more they are developed, more one's mind become aware of the Unity of one being, until Reasoning and Heart are fulfilled as the unbounded Unity.

Only then awareness achieves its ability to express itself by actual harmony among its expressions, by naturally avoiding contradictions (mutual destruction), such that each expression is an organ of a one realm.

Furthermore, only by actually being a one organism, real creativity is expressed by infinitely many complex ways that are derived from one simplicity that naturally prevents contradictions among its expressed organs.
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Once again you demonstrate the failure of your notions to have any use whatsoever, your assertion of a dichotomy to simply then claim such “dichotomy has no actual existence” exemplifies your profound lack of harmony and the prevalent self contradictions in your assertion shows that opposed to the assertion that your nonsense “naturally prevents contradictions among its expressed organs”, your nonsense specifically requires them.

So the gist of this seems to be that if you pretend your mind is based on a “dichotomy” that “has no actual existence” you can also pretend your self-contradictions have “no actual existence”. Guess what Doron, most of us figured that out already. Here’s a hint Doron, get rid of the first self-contradiction (asserting your mind is based on a “dichotomy” that “has no actual existence”) and perhaps the rest will follow.



doronshadmi said:
A better version of the previous post:

Organic Mathematics' goal is to achieve actual harmony among Reasoning and Heart.

What is experienced within one's mind as immaterial entity (one's awareness) recognizes what is out of one's mind as material entity.

This in\out dichotomy is the way of how reasoning actually distinguishes between different levels of awareness, but this dichotomy has no actual existence exactly because these different levels are like different levels of waves of the same sea, such that there is actually no dichotomy but only the Unity of one being, which is aware of itself.

In order to be aware of the Unity of one being, the mind actually has to transcendent the level of thoughts (the realm of expressed waves) and directly know the calm source of any possible expression, which is actually not itself a thought.

By regularly practicing techniques that enable the mind to be aware of its calm source (to actually directly be aware of itself), Reasoning, as known in terms of dichotomy, is transformed to Unity awareness, such that the calm state is known (is not lost) during the different levels of awareness.

Furthermore, what is known as love and compassion is exactly the properties of one's awareness that are not restricted by reasoning's dichotomy, such that more they are developed, more one's mind become aware of the Unity of one being, until Reasoning and Heart are fulfilled as the unbounded Unity.

Only then awareness achieves its ability to express itself by actual harmony among its expressions, by naturally avoiding contradictions (mutual destruction of diversity) such that each expression is an organ of a one realm.

By actually being a one organism, real creativity is expressed by infinitely many complex ways that are derived from one simplicity that naturally prevents contradictions among its expressed organs.
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Nope no better.
 
Once again, Contradiction is the mutual destruction of expressions because of the lack of harmony among them, where harmony is actually achieved by being aware of their common calm source during their mutual expression.

Mutual destruction of at least two expressions has no actual existence in terms of being fundamental, and it is resulted by great pain and suffering, exactly because it is ruled by the ignorance of the Unity of the one being (where this ignorance gives the illusion that mutual destruction is fundamental) exactly as shown by minds that are trapped at the level of thoughts, and can't get the Unity the common calm source during mutual expression.

Aristotle’s law of noncontradiction states that “One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradiction ).

Being at AND not at a given context is not a contradiction, but it is the non-locality of Cross-contexts w.r.t a given Context-dependent domain, which is local w.r.t Cross-contexts.

This is exactly the awareness of the one being, which is not limited to any of its context-dependent expressions, or to any Polychotomy (where dichotomy is some case of it).

Context-dependent-only skill(ers) get Non-locality only in terms of Locality and therefore only in terms of Contradiction.

"Non-locality AND Locality" are defined verbally-symbolically w.r.t each other, but they are not made of each other, because the Cross-contexts non-local common calm source transcendent its particular expressions, whether they are verbal-symbolic or visual-spatial.

By understanding the Unity of Y organism, no Polychotomy is fundamental (it has no invariant actuality).

Context-dependent-only skill(ers) can't get that, because their mind is trapped only at the level of the branches (at the level of thoughts) of Y organism, and we see their ignorance all along this thread.

For example, “this dichotomy has no actual existence” is a verbal_symbolic expression and so is any given assertion.

Verbal_symbolic-skill(ers) wrongly get such verbal_symbolic expressions as actual existence (by missing the fact that no expression is actual (where actuality is the calm source of all expressions)), and because they verbal_symbolic expressions as actual existence they produce claims like the following:

"So as usual you assert some “dichotomy” just to claim “this dichotomy has no actual existence”. Next time just skip the first step (claiming some dichotomy) then you won’t have to waste time asserting such “dichotomy has no actual existence”. Who knows you then you might even find yourself in agreement with yourself."

As can be seen, the flat mind of Verbal_symbolic-skill(ers) is trapped at the level of thoughts, but they blame others by their own flatness.

Furthermore, they are celebrating their ignorance of, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/13/t_dJkjND5AQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/56/xYFOECodaKo

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/54/_0rbfSaRwCU
 
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Once again.

Limited skill(ers)' reflexive response is to avoid any actual practice that may help them to be aware of their subjective limitations, simply because by being aware of their subjective limitations they are also aware of their responsibility to be changed from within right from the objective calm level of awareness, where only this change enables to be aware and act in terms of Universality.

In other words, limited skill(ers)' stay limited exactly because they get everything only in terms of their subjective awareness at the level of thoughts.

As a result they do not understand that Polychotomy (where dichotomy is some case of it) has no actual (invariant) existence, and they express their ignorance by using claims that are trapped at the level of Polychotomy (at the level of thoughts), and prevent any chance to get the calm (actual) source of Polychotomy.
 
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doronshadmi said:
By understanding the Unity of Y organism, no Polychotomy is fundamental (it has no invariant actuality).

Context-dependent-only skill(ers) can't get that, because their mind is trapped only at the level of the branches (at the level of thoughts) of Y organism, and we see their ignorance all along this thread.
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Are you blind or what? Can't you see the hole in that Y-joint?

You better learn how to set the weld time right:

 
Ignorant persons indeed fulfill their subjective-only view of ignorance.

For example, instead of getting Y as a one organism, they get only the gaps between its organs.

There are gaps between the waves, which made them temporary and subjective level of the invariant and objective calm state of the sea, which transcendent its subjective and temporary states.

Yet the sea is the same sea whether it is objective or subjective.

Problems start if the temporary level wrongly recognizes itself as the objective level of the sea (it is trapped at the level of thoughts).

One of the signatures of this ignorance is to get the gaps between waves as objective states (Polychotomy is wrongly understood as objective).

If the mind transcendent the level of waves it becomes aware of the temporal and subjective state of both waves AND the gaps between them.

Only then the objective calm state of the sea is fulfilled among the subjective level of the sea, such that the gaps preserve the unique expression of any given temporal subjective wave, instead of being used as a cause for dis-communication that is resulted by mutual destruction among different expressions.

If Y is known as one unified organism, then each wave (each organ) "vertically" appears and disappears w.r.t the calm state of the sea, without "horizontally" destroying the other unique subjective expressions which surround it.

By achieving this quality of mutual expression Y Unity awareness fulfills itself upon infinitely many finer and ever correlated subjective (temporarily) creative expressions that are gently appears and disappears w.r.t the calm state of the sea, and give space to ever newer expressions.
 
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doronshadmi said:
Once again, Contradiction is the mutual destruction of expressions because of the lack of harmony among them, where harmony is actually achieved by being aware of their common calm source during their mutual expression.
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Nope, contradiction has an actual meaning that has already been explained to you multiple times and you continue to display your obvious lack of “harmony” by constantly contradicting yourself.

doronshadmi said:
Mutual destruction of at least two expressions has no actual existence in terms of being fundamental, and it is resulted by great pain and suffering, exactly because it is ruled by the ignorance of the Unity of the one being (where this ignorance gives the illusion that mutual destruction is fundamental) exactly as shown by minds that are trapped at the level of thoughts, and can't get the Unity the common calm source during mutual expression.
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So now your climing your nonsenseical “Mutual destruction of at least two expressions has no actual existence in terms of being fundamental”, guess what, we already know that. Hopefully now you’ll relize that and stop your own “great pain and suffering” in belaboring your nonsense that even you assert “has no actual existence in terms of being fundamental”.

doronshadmi said:
Aristotle’s law of noncontradiction states that “One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradiction ).
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Oh people can certainly say such things but as a contradiction they are always false regardless of the truth values of their elements.

doronshadmi said:
Being at AND not at a given context is not a contradiction, but it is the non-locality of Cross-contexts w.r.t a given Context-dependent domain, which is local w.r.t Cross-contexts.
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Again giving a different meaning to “not at” other than the negation of the meaning given to “at” is simply self inconsistent. So which is it are you deliberately being self-inconsistent or deliberately self –contradictory. The fact that you repeatedly fail to demonstrate the use of any other context in your purported “Cross-contexts” indicates the latter.


doronshadmi said:
This is exactly the awareness of the one being, which is not limited to any of its context-dependent expressions, or to any Polychotomy (where dichotomy is some case of it).

Context-dependent-only skill(ers) get Non-locality only in terms of Locality and therefore only in terms of Contradiction.
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Again using “Non-locality” to mean something other than the negation of “locality” is simply self-inconsistent.

doronshadmi said:
"Non-locality AND Locality" are defined verbally-symbolically w.r.t each other, but they are not made of each other, because the Cross-contexts non-local common calm source transcendent its particular expressions, whether they are verbal-symbolic or visual-spatial.

By understanding the Unity of Y organism, no Polychotomy is fundamental (it has no invariant actuality).

Context-dependent-only skill(ers) can't get that, because their mind is trapped only at the level of the branches (at the level of thoughts) of Y organism, and we see their ignorance all along this thread.
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Again whatever problem you have with your fantasy “Context-dependent-only skill(ers)” is simply yours, have better fantasies Doron.


doronshadmi said:
For example, “this dichotomy has no actual existence” is a verbal_symbolic expression and so is any given assertion.
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Nope technically, as it was written and not spoken, it is a visually spatial symbolic expression, that can also have a verbal expression. Once again you are the only one asserting a difference based on a dichotomy that even you claim “has no actual existence”. Written language is a perfect example of that it is visually spatial symbols with verbal representations. Your Verbal symbolic / Visual spatial dichotomy that you depend upon so much is simply false, as already explained to you.

doronshadmi said:
Verbal_symbolic-skill(ers) wrongly get such verbal_symbolic expressions as actual existence (by missing the fact that no expression is actual (where actuality is the calm source of all expressions)), and because they verbal_symbolic expressions as actual existence they produce claims like the following:

"So as usual you assert some “dichotomy” just to claim “this dichotomy has no actual existence”. Next time just skip the first step (claiming some dichotomy) then you won’t have to waste time asserting such “dichotomy has no actual existence”. Who knows you then you might even find yourself in agreement with yourself."

As can be seen, the flat mind of Verbal_symbolic-skill(ers) is trapped at the level of thoughts, but they blame others by their own flatness.

Furthermore, they are celebrating their ignorance of, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/13/t_dJkjND5AQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/56/xYFOECodaKo

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/54/_0rbfSaRwCU
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To bad for you, your fantasy “Verbal_symbolic-skill(ers)” and your non-existent (as claimed by even you) Verbal symbolic/ Visually spatial dichotomy. Get some better fantasies Doron or at least ones you can agree with then perhaps you can find some harmony within at least yourself and display that to others.

doronshadmi said:
Once again.

Limited skill(ers)' reflexive response is to avoid any actual practice that may help them to be aware of their subjective limitations, simply because by being aware of their subjective limitations they are also aware of their responsibility to be changed from within right from the objective calm level of awareness, where only this change enables to be aware and act in terms of Universality.

In other words, limited skill(ers)' stay limited exactly because they get everything only in terms of their subjective awareness at the level of thoughts.

As a result they do not understand that Polychotomy (where dichotomy is some case of it) has no actual (invariant) existence, and they express their ignorance by using claims that are trapped at the level of Polychotomy (at the level of thoughts), and prevent any chance to get the calm (actual) source of Polychotomy.
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Once again your problems with your ignorant, limited, Polychotomistic and non-existent fantasies are simply yours, get some better fantasies Doron and/or seek some professional psychological help.
 
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doronshadmi said:
By achieving this quality of mutual expression Y Unity awareness fulfills itself upon infinitely many finer and ever correlated subjective (temporarily) creative expressions that are gently appears and disappears w.r.t the calm state of the sea, and give space to ever newer expressions.
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We can find many examples of mind's limitations of context-dependent-verbal-symbolic-only skill(ers).

Here are some of them:

About contradiction: "contradiction has an actual meaning"

Here the ignorant mind can't get that contradiction is the lack of harmony among expressions, which is resulted by mutual destruction, exactly because the ignorant mind is trapped at the subjective (non-actual) level of thoughts and can't be aware of the calm (objective and actual) common source of all expressions (mantel of physical) which is itself beyond any expression (mantel of physical) and naturally enables the harmonious interactions among its expressions (exactly as found among different organs of the same organism).

About verbal-symbolic and visual-spatial skills:

"Nope technically, as it was written and not spoken, it is a visually spatial symbolic expression, that can also have a verbal expression."

Here the ignorant mind wrongly takes the shapes of some symbolic expression as the visual-spatial skills of the mind.

But it is well known that there is no necessary relation between the shape of the symbols and the visual-spatial brain's skills that they may represent, for example:

Z = O where Z is a symbol (based on verbal-symbolic skills) and O is a circle (based on visual-spatial skills).

Indeed context-dependent-verbal-symbolic-only skill(ers) can't get the following links even if they are trying their best:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7790810&postcount=211

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/13/t_dJkjND5AQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/56/xYFOECodaKo

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/54/_0rbfSaRwCU
 
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doronshadmi said:
We can find many examples of mind's limitations of context-dependent-verbal-symbolic-only skill(ers).

Here are some of them:

About contradiction: "contradiction has an actual meaning"

Here the ignorant mind can't get that contradiction is the lack of harmony among expressions, which is resulted by mutual destruction, exactly because the ignorant mind is trapped at the subjective (non-actual) level of thoughts and can't be aware of the calm (objective and actual) common source of all expressions (mantel of physical) which is itself beyond any expression (mantel of physical) and naturally enables the harmonious interactions among its expressions (exactly as found among different organs of the same organism).

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Thank you for confirming that contradiction has a meaning. What would I do without you?

We all understand that, "contradiction is the lack of harmony among expressions". Based on your definition, who should have problems understanding there is a contradiction in this statement: "Turn left and right at the exact same time"?

What about a glass that is up in the air and buried underground at the same time?
 
Little 10 Toes said:
Thank you for confirming that contradiction has a meaning. What would I do without you?

We all understand that, "contradiction is the lack of harmony among expressions". Based on your definition, who should have problems understanding there is a contradiction in this statement: "Turn left and right at the exact same time"?

What about a glass that is up in the air and buried underground at the same time?
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You have a problem to get the objective non-local "host" state w.r.t the subjective "hosted" states like left OR right.

The "host" is exactly "left" AND "right" of the "hosted" left OR right, so the attempt to get the "host" in terms of the "hosted" is resulted by the illusion of actual contradiction.
 
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doronshadmi said:
But it is well known that there is no necessary relation between the shape of the symbols and the visual-spatial brain's skills that they may represent, for example:

Z = O where Z is a symbol (based on verbal-symbolic skills) and O is a circle (based on visual-spatial skills).
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:rolleyes:
Why is O a circle when it's preceded by Z? Even that squirrel who comes through the window to steal my nuts can figure out that Z stands for Zero when it's followed by a circular shape, like O.

But when O is preceded by multiple Z, then O is a symbolic circle,

ZZZ => O

and a letter as well.

(snOring)
 
Little 10 Toes said:
What would I do without you?
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You are flourish by harmony, instead of waste your life by ever lasting confrontation which is resulted by mutual destruction.

If Contradiction is actual it means that there is no common source for expressions.

In this case the fundamental state of existence is an ever lasting confrontation between at least two fundamental opposites, which equally destroy each other.

In other words, Dichotomy and ever lasting confrontation is actual.

The awareness of Y as one organism, transcendent the ever lasting confrontation, into the state of harmony and collaboration among different organs of one organism.

Minds that get Contradiction as actual are simply trapped the the level of the "branches" of Y one organism, and therefore wrongly get it as an ever lasting confrontation between at least two different fundamental states (Dichotomy is actual for these trapped minds).

So the phrase: "contradiction has an actual meaning" comes from a trapped mind (Dichotomy is actual for a trapped mind).

Without being directly aware of the calm source of all expressions, one's mind is trapped at the level of thoughts, which is definitely not the Common ground that is naturally free of any contradiction.

The following links directs the mind to actually achieve the Common ground:

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/56/xYFOECodaKo

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/54/_0rbfSaRwCU

http://www.youtube.com/user/meditationchannel?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/13/t_dJkjND5AQ
 
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In nature Phase velocity (marked by the red point) can be greater than Group velocity (marked by the green points) as follows:

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( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_velocity )

Since information moves only in Group velocity (according to the current agreement among the majority of the physicians) then Phase velocity is not considered as information that moving faster than the speed of light (SRT is not violated).

Careful observation of Phase velocity shows that it is unlimited (can be infinite).

Actual unlimited Phase velocity is achieved only if the observed space is taken at-once (no local observation of some point along a given path is measured), or in other words, the measured space is a non-composed whole.

This is exactly the state of the finitely curved "host" space w.r.t the infinitely curved "hosted" space.

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If given spaces are defined in terms of curvature’s degree, then 0-space has infinite curvature, where finite curvature’s degree is at least 1-space.

No amount of collection of infinite curvatures is some finite curvature’s degree.

In other words, no amount of 0-spaces is 1-space, and non-local numbers are the measurement tools of this inability.
 
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doronshadmi said:
You have a problem to get the objective non-local "host" state w.r.t the subjective "hosted" states like left OR right.

The "host" is exactly "left" AND "right" of the "hosted" left OR right, so the attempt to get the "host" in terms of the "hosted" is resulted by the illusion of actual contradiction.
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Please note that you did not answer my questions. Let me ask again.

Based on your definition, who should have problems understanding there is a contradiction in this statement: "Turn left and right at the exact same time"?

What about a glass that is up in the air and buried underground at the same time?


doronshadmi said:
You are flourish by harmony, instead of waste your life by ever lasting confrontation which is resulted by mutual destruction.

If Contradiction is actual it means that there is no common source for expressions.

In this case the fundamental state of existence is an ever lasting confrontation between at least two fundamental opposites, which equally destroy each other.

In other words, Dichotomy and ever lasting confrontation is actual.

The awareness of Y as one organism, transcendent the ever lasting confrontation, into the state of harmony and collaboration among different organs of one organism.

Minds that get Contradiction as actual are simply trapped the the level of the "branches" of Y one organism, and therefore wrongly get it as an ever lasting confrontation between at least two different fundamental states (Dichotomy is actual for these trapped minds).

So the phrase: "contradiction has an actual meaning" comes from a trapped mind (Dichotomy is actual for a trapped mind).

Without being directly aware of the calm source of all expressions, one's mind is trapped at the level of thoughts, which is definitely not the Common ground that is naturally free of any contradiction.
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There are scientists that are getting out of the agreed local boxes.

Take for example K. Ghosh ( http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0503/0503003v21.pdf , page 13):
To illustrate let us consider two “set”s each containing a single object: a line-element. The line-elements are intersecting but non-coincident everywhere. The intersection of these two “set”s is a “set” containing points which are fundamentally different from line elements (we can not say that a point is a line-element with one point as the arguments in this section prove that a line-element is not a collection of points). Similar arguments can be extended to higher dimensions.
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K. Ghosh ( http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0605/0605061v148.pdf , page 2):
In this section we will demonstrate that a line-element is not a collection of points. Line-elements, area elements and volume-elements are as fundamental as points.
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These notions are going to be the main stream, whether the Context-dependent-only skill(esr) like it or not.
 
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Here are some persons that get things right:
http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?messageID=140626&tstart=0 :
I believe this is related to the mystery of how a line, which
is one-dimensional and therefore has spatial extension, can
be constructed from points, each of which is zero-dimensional
and has no spatial extension. You simply can't get a line
from any number, not even a nondenumerably infinite number,
of points, because even a non-denumerably infinite number of
points has no collective extension: you can't put a point "next
to" a point because there is no such thing as "next to" something
having no spatial extension.

A line is not a collection of points. You can, however, always
pick points out of a line. There are always as many as you need,
and therefore always more than you need. If each point is
associated with some ordinal number, then any line segment, no
matter how short, describes ALL possible ordinals (not just the
members of the set of real numbers). But assuming that the
collection of all ordinals is a set leads to a set theoretical
paradox using the usual rules and assumptions, thus it is usually
assumed that this entity is NOT a set. The "points in a line"
constitute some sort of absolute infinity, not a set and therefore
not a transfinite cardinal: whereas the point subsets people pick
out of a line by mapping other sets to them (such as the real
numbers) are sets and therefore are transfinite cardinals.

The mistake people made was in assuming that a continuum (like a
line) could be completely described by any incomplete subset of
ordinal numbers (like the real numbers). If C is the cardinality
of the continuum, then the cardinality of the set of real numbers
is less than C. All of the alephs are less than C.
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doronshadmi said:
There are scientists that are getting out of the agreed local boxes.

Take for example K. Ghosh ( http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0503/0503003v21.pdf , page 13):
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We consider a homogeneous linear array of marbles touching each other. If we now shrink the volume of each marble keeping them in contact (so that the array is always homogeneous) then in the limit that the volume of the marbles is zero we will get a single point.
These discussions lead us to conclude that a line-element is not just a collection of points but is a fundamental
geometric object.
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No, we will not get a single point. We will get a collection of spheres whose volume approches zero. Plain and simple.
 
The best part is at the end.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0503/0503003v21.pdf
Nut Job said:
Any one, who had thept any aspect of this article and/or unduly disturbed the author seriously using e.m radiation in a biological way (telepathy) during the last six years, in particular while the article was getting prepared, or/and encouraged to do so is a descendant of Avatar of Dharmaraj
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Doron, has anyone been disturbing you seriously using electro-magnetic radiation in a biological way (telepathy) during the last, oh, what is it now, twenty five years?
 
The belief of Ramanujan (Ramanujan credited his acumen to his family Goddess, Namagiri of Namakkal. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan )) do not change the quality of his scientific work.

So is the case about K. Ghosh in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7799483&postcount=224 .

Western atheist persons can't comprehend that.

As for myself, I claim that belief is not sufficient in order to actually be aware of the considered subject, and it can be done only by one's mind, which enables to transcendent its subjective expressed aspects, in order to directly be aware of the objective non-local calm source of all expressions.

Western atheist persons that can't comprehend that, are simply trapped at level of thoughts, which is subjective no matter what model of reality is used by them.
 
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doronshadmi said:
The belief of Ramanujan (Ramanujan credited his acumen to his family Goddess, Namagiri of Namakkal. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan )) do not change the quality of his scientific work.
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Ramanujan was a mathematician so great his name transcends jealousies, the one superlatively great mathematician whom India has produced in the last hundred years. "His leaps of intuition confound mathematicians even today, seven decades after his death. ..the brilliant, self-taught Indian mathematician whose work contains some of the most beautiful ideas in the history of science. His legacy has endured. His twenty-one major mathematical papers are still being plumbed for their secrets, and many of his ideas are used today in cosmology and computer science. His theorems are being applied in areas - polymer chemistry, computers, cancer research - scarcely imaginable during his lifetime. His mathematical insights yet leave mathematicians baffled that anyone could divine them in the first place.

The inexhaustible Ramanujan was an observant Hindu, adept at dream interpretation and astrology. His work was marked by bold leaps and gut feelings. Growing up he had learned to worship Namagiri, the consort of the lion god Narasimha. Ramanujan believed that he existed to serve as Namagiri´s champion - Hindu Goddess of creativity. In real life Ramanujan told people that Namagiri visited him in his dreams and wrote equations on his tongue.

Ramanujan could never explain to G H Hardy (an atheist) how he arrived at his deep insights in mathematical terms; but he did say many of his discoveries came to him in dreams, from the goddess Namakkal, and that he had a morning ritual of awakening and writing them down.

He was intensely religious. He often united mathematics and spirituality together. He felt, for example, that zero represented Absolute Reality, and that infinity represented the many manifestations of that Reality. Ramanujan felt that each mathematical discovery was a step closer to understanding the spiritual universe. He once told a friend, "An equation for me has no meaning unless it expresses a thought of God."
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Say hi to your divine link.
 
Hey, Doron, good to see you have a new nut-job hero, but you are evading my question:

jsfisher said:
Doron, has anyone been disturbing you seriously using electro-magnetic radiation in a biological way (telepathy) during the last, oh, what is it now, twenty five years?
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doronshadmi said:
The belief of Ramanujan (Ramanujan credited his acumen to his family Goddess, Namagiri of Namakkal. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan )) do not change the quality of his scientific work.

So is the case about K. Ghosh in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7799483&postcount=224 .
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Ramanujan was delusional by today's advanced concept of atheism, whereas K. Ghosh is just a certified pretender. That's why G. H. Hardy, who was the only one at Cambridge to recognized Ramanujan's mathematical brilliance, isn't too often mention as a notable atheist. The modern philosophy of atheism holds that whatever an atheist cannot comprehend is automatically the result of delusion. So that's why you're hanging around here taking your chances.

Goddess Namagiri of Namakkal set up a little test for you. If you pass, your name will be removed from the Center of Phantasmagorical Sphere of the Perpetual Bounce. And so, what is 1729?
 
Advanced concept of atheism is not achieved if the atheist's fundamental principles are based on dichotomy between concepts like Ethics and Logical reasoning, or based on ever lasting confrontation between expressions (for example: Contradiction is considered as actual), exactly because the atheist's mind is trapped at the level of thoughts (in this case it does not matter if the the person is an atheist or a religious one, in both cases it is not directly aware of its objective (actual) non-local calm source, which actually enables the harmony among all possible expressions, whether they are abstract or physical).

Ignorance may hold whether the people are atheists (for example: Nazism, Communism, Piggish Capitalism or any other atheist dictatorship) or religious (Active fundamentalism, which is not really fundamental because it is trapped at the level of thoughts).
 
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Goddess Namagiri of Namakkal set up a little test for you. If you pass, your name will be removed from the Center of Phantasmagorical Sphere of the Perpetual Bounce. And so, what is 1729?
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doronshadmi said:
Ignorance may hold whether the people are atheists (for example: Nazism, Communism, Piggish Capitalism or any other atheist dictatorship) or religious (Active fundamentalism, which is not really fundamental because it is trapped at the level of thoughts).
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Miracle! How could you possibly figure out that number 1729 is linked with ignorance?

There is only one possible explanation:
A common anecdote about Ramanujan relates to the number 1729. Hardy arrived at Ramanujan's residence in a cab numbered 1729. Hardy commented that the number 1729 seemed to be uninteresting. Ramanujan is said to have stated on the spot that it was actually a very interesting number mathematically, being the smallest natural number representable in two different ways as a sum of two cubes:

1729 = 13 + 123 = 93 + 103
Generalizations of this idea have created the notion of "taxicab numbers". Coincidentally, 1729 is also a Carmichael Number.
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Being closed in a box of performing mathematics, both Hardy and Ramanujan didn't notice that 1729 is also the union of two subsequent Ramanujan primes 17 and 29.
http://oeis.org/A104272

I guess that was too easy for you. So I give you a problem to solve - it's similar to the 1729 being a sum of two cubes in two different ways.

Which number satisfies the identity

a2 + b2 = c3 + d3
where a<b and c<d?

If you answer the right way, you will be released from the Prison of Phantasmagorical Thought on parol.
 
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Ignorant persons are like rigid boxes that are floating upon the wavy surface of the sea, and as a result they get contradiction as an actual realm (the calm state of the sea as the natural base ground for harmony among waves, is beyond their wavy-only awareness).


Ignorant persons can't get http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7796111&postcount=218 and http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7790810&postcount=211 and this is a problem that leads ignorant persons to one of the dead-ends of the evolution.

If they are being aware of http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7796111&postcount=218 and http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7790810&postcount=211 the dead-end problem can be solved.
 
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I see the Doron Word ShiftTM (patent pending) continues. Got no rise with "atheist" so he's giving "ignorant person" a whirl.

Doron, why not go with substance worthy of an adult rather than kindergarten taunts?
 
I give you a problem to solve - it's similar to the 1729 being a sum of two cubes in two different ways.

Which number satisfies the identity

a^2 + b^2 = c^3 + d^3

where a<b and c<d?

If you answer the right way, you will be released from the Prison of Phantasmagorical Thought on parol.
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doronshadmi said:
Ignorant persons are like rigid boxes that are floating upon the wavy surface of the sea, and as a result they get contradiction as an actual realm (the calm state of the sea as the natural base ground for harmony among waves, is beyond their wavy-only awareness).
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You answer us with awesome and righteous deeds,
God our Savior,
the hope of all the ends of the earth
and of the farthest seas,
who formed the mountains by your power,
having armed yourself with strength,
who stilled the roaring of the seas, the roaring of their waves, and the turmoil of the nations.
Psalm, Chapter 65

65 = 12 + 82 = 13 + 43
I see that your extraearthly guide is very good. It stilled the roaring of the waves, made the sea calm and chose the lowest number that satisfies the identity. But your extraearthly guide to the mental pandemonium has a weakness called "analytic proof." And therefore I shall say onto you that your head will ooze cottage cheese when exposed to the follow up.

Conjecture:

There is no prime number p that would satisfy

p = a2 + b2 = c3 + d3
where a<b and c<d.

If you prove or disprove the conjecture, your numerophobia will go away and your phantasmagoria will be replaced by divine insights:

Ramanujan could never explain to G H Hardy how he arrived at his deep insights in mathematical terms; but he did say many of his discoveries came to him in dreams, from the goddess Namakkal, and that he had a morning ritual of awakening and writing them down.
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Cantor believed his theory of transfinite numbers had been communicated to him by God.
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Here is Dr. Ghosh answer about the "telepathy" case:

"Firstly the attached manuscripts have been accepted in IJPAM
each with two reviewers. So there are a few persons who agree
with us.

The point is, the whole structure of Mathematics, depending on the
set theory is not in accordance with what we are doing. The intersection
of two same objects is a different object: is surely shattering to mathematicians.

The other article which brings out a contradiction to the "tensorial
character of the connection coefficients" is also severe to a conservative
mathematician. Since when I had started writing these things I had
been suspended by the arxiv.

But it is also fact that there had always been a few people bothered
about these issues. Regarding the second article you can look at
the book by Wald (cited in the article). You will never be able to
convince all people.

Lastly, regarding those silly comments. You tell them there is nothing
like that in the past 3/4 years and surely some people used to disturb me
at that time with reference to a few mistakes in the article.

I now know that they came to know about these things from those who read the article.
Hence the telepathy.... things were silly in this context. I was unable to understand that
a few persons are reading the versions (> 5) which did not come out in the arxiv.


I will try to talk with people after the article will get published.



Wishes,

Dr. K. Ghosh"
 
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