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Old 8th May 2012, 03:40 AM   #1
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Al Qaeda captures American, then makes outrageous demands.

Apparently Al Qaeda captured an American citizen over in Pakistan. Here is a list of their demands:
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Al Qaeda's demands include the lifting of the blockade on movement of people and trade between Egypt and Gaza; an end to bombing by the United States and its allies in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Gaza; the release of anyone arrested on charges of belonging to al Qaeda and the Taliban.
It also calls for the release of all prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and American secret prisons and the closure of Guantanamo and the other prisons.
The group also wants the release of terrorists convicted in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the release of relatives of Osama bin Laden, the founder of al Qaeda who was killed last year in Pakistan.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/07/world/...html?hpt=wo_c2

Al Qaeda isn't too bright these days are they?
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Old 8th May 2012, 04:02 AM   #2
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It could be cover to distract attention from their elaborate bearer bonds heist. The CIA should parachute a barefoot wisecracking off duty cop into Pakistan immediately.
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Old 8th May 2012, 05:02 AM   #3
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I wouldn't rule out a ransom demand "on the side".
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Old 8th May 2012, 06:07 AM   #4
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The Taliban also demands that from this day forward, everyone must wear their underwear on the outside of their clothes!!
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Old 8th May 2012, 06:45 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Moon-Spinner View Post
The Taliban also demands that from this day forward, everyone must wear their underwear on the outside of their clothes!!
Good thing I don't wear underwear - I will not be a hostage to terrorist demands! USA USA!
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All jokes aside, this poor fella will probably end up with his throat cut.
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Old 8th May 2012, 07:06 AM   #7
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I feel bad for the guy they captured, but yes, I definitely agree that the people who have him are not the sharpest spoons in the drawer.
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Old 8th May 2012, 07:18 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by welshdean View Post
All jokes aside, this poor fella will probably end up with his throat cut.
More then likely he will get a beheading. I also wouldn't be surprised if his security guards were in on the deal.
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Old 8th May 2012, 07:46 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
Apparently Al Qaeda captured an American citizen over in Pakistan. Here is a list of their demands:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/07/world/...html?hpt=wo_c2

Al Qaeda isn't too bright these days are they?
Gee, do they want some pankakes with that ?
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A little biographical information on the victim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Weinstein
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"My life is in your hands, Mr. President," said the American captured in August from his home in the Pakistani city of Lahore. "If you accept the demands, I live. If you don't accept the demands, then I die."
I hate this line of reasoning. I understand that Mr. Weinstein is being forced to say this but I must reject the premise. Al Qaeda has him and they have the knife to his throat. No one is responsible for his death but Al Qaeda. Whenever I hear something like this it just makes me mad. You simply cannot make others responsible for your actions.
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Old 8th May 2012, 10:29 AM   #12
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It is a pity due process interferes with the only just response: executing one AQ detainee every hour, until this man is freed. Ah well, I hope they rescue him alive and unharmed, although these hopes are slim indeed.

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This line of reasoning fits perfectly within the goals of terrorism. It's not about causing enough destruction to make the other side bend to your will. Its about making the other side fear you enough or destroying their morale enough to bend to your will. Everybody "knows" who is responsible for what happens to this man but thats not always the same as how it feels. Terrorism isn't about sound logic or well reasoned arguments. Its about destroying your enemy's morale.

Also, it seems pretty likely that they are making demands this outrageous on purpose. That way they are certain that they dont get met and they can have another victim.
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The Taliban also demands that from this day forward, everyone must wear their underwear on the outside of their clothes!!

so we can check...furthermore, all children under sixteen years old are now... sixteen years old!
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Old 8th May 2012, 11:24 AM   #15
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Terrorism isn't about sound logic or well reasoned arguments. Its about destroying your enemy's morale.
I agree, which to me makes it all the more paramount that we remain rational in our policy making, and not allow fear to guide our legal system nor foreign policy., The erosion of personal rights is a direct result of emotional reactions to terrorism.
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Old 8th May 2012, 11:46 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
Apparently Al Qaeda captured an American citizen over in Pakistan. Here is a list of their demands:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/07/world/...html?hpt=wo_c2

Al Qaeda isn't too bright these days are they?
Well the first and last demand have to a large part already been realised.
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Old 8th May 2012, 04:40 PM   #17
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Almost a year ago ?

Why is this news now ?
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Old 8th May 2012, 04:52 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
Al Qaeda isn't too bright these days are they?
It's possible, probable actually, that they know that these demands will never be met.
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Remember that recently Israel traded thousands of Palestinian prisoners for just one captured Israeli soldier.

I don't think the USA will give up anything close to that in this case because the prisoner does not have a very high profile in the USA, but by putting video of him out there they are trying to raise his profile and value as a bargaining chip.
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Old 8th May 2012, 06:38 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
Almost a year ago ?

Why is this news now ?
I think they are just now making the demands.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
It's possible, probable actually, that they know that these demands will never be met.
Stop that. The point of this thread is "hyuck hyuck them dumb arabs!".
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Old 8th May 2012, 07:22 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Lowe View Post
Stop that. The point of this thread is "hyuck hyuck them dumb arabs!".
Interesting take on the thread. I noticed how you implied that I was racist towards Arabs. Is there any reasoning behind this or just a baseless assumption?
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Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
Interesting take on the thread. I noticed how you implied that I was racist towards Arabs. Is there any reasoning behind this or just a baseless assumption?
It's because you said. "Al Qaeda isn't too bright..." and he's interpreting that to be a statement about all Arabic people.

If there is racism here, it wasn't yours.
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
It's because you said. "Al Qaeda isn't too bright..." and he's interpreting that to be a statement about all Arabic people.

If there is racism here, it wasn't yours.
Indeed. I don't recall Kevin_Lowes posting style. Is he always like this?
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The Taliban also demands that from this day forward, everyone must wear their underwear on the outside of their clothes!!
The Taliban's underwear? OK. Send it parcel post.
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Al Qaeda isn't too bright these days are they?
Apparently not:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0504/us-...-compound.html
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the documents show that Bin Laden was not a 'puppet master' of jihadist groups around the world. Instead he was burdened by what he saw as their incompetence.
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Ooh! That's gotta smart!
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The CIA should parachute a barefoot wisecracking off duty cop into Pakistan immediately.
"Come on out to Pakistan, have a few laughs...<grumble>"
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Ooh! That's gotta smart!
I think a variation of the Peter Principle hit al Qaeda hard. If someone demonstrated ability, they moved up the ranks and became visible enough to attract the attention of anti-terrorist forces. They were then retired in one way or another.

Repeat until incompetence is the status quo.
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I can imagine the meeting they had to come up with the list of demands. It started small and snowballed into the ridiculous as each jihadist tried to one up the others. Finally one said, "They must give us Newt Gingrich's secret moon base!" It got quiet for a moment and Zawahiri said, "I think this will do."
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I can imagine the meeting they had to come up with the list of demands. It started small and snowballed into the ridiculous as each jihadist tried to one up the others. Finally one said, "They must give us Newt Gingrich's secret moon base!" It got quiet for a moment and Zawahiri said, "I think this will do."
Makes me think of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLV4VHVjk0

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If I were ever offered a lucrative contract working in the middle east (let's face it, that's why he was there, to make money) then I would lodge a letter with a loved one leaving strict instructions that no-one is to pay anything to anybody if I get kidnapped.

I'd be aware I was headed into a very dangerous area, I would clearly have weighed up the pros ($$$) and cons (being kidnapped), and have decided that the pros outweighed the cons. I'd be aware that kidnap was a possibility. I wouldn't want anyone's money spent or anyone's life in jeapordy as a result of my being kidnapped.
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If I were ever offered a lucrative contract working in the middle east (let's face it, that's why he was there, to make money) then I would lodge a letter with a loved one leaving strict instructions that no-one is to pay anything to anybody if I get kidnapped.

I'd be aware I was headed into a very dangerous area, I would clearly have weighed up the pros ($$$) and cons (being kidnapped), and have decided that the pros outweighed the cons. I'd be aware that kidnap was a possibility. I wouldn't want anyone's money spent or anyone's life in jeapordy as a result of my being kidnapped.
I'd have a GPS tracker and a radio beacon surgically implanted inside me and then tell the CIA/USAF guys flying the predator drones to expect a phone call from me every 24 hours to let them know I'm ok.
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Apparently Al Qaeda captured an American citizen over in Pakistan. Here is a list of their demands:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/07/world/...html?hpt=wo_c2

Al Qaeda isn't too bright these days are they?
Depends what you think the real purpose of these demands is. I don't think the real purpose is to achieve the goals listed.

I think the real purpose is propaganda: It's a list of excuses for their on-going campaign of violence. Expect items from this list to feature prominently in the terror-justifying rhetoric of useful idiots and Al Qaeda sympathizers in the next few months.

Al Qaeda--like the Taliban--isn't going to go away if Gitmo is closed. They'll just find some other target for their violence, and some other victims to threaten while they make unreasonable demands.
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