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Indeed, as I understand it when I go to a doctor and he sends me for say, blood tests, he gets nothing from the fact that I have had blood tests. He is not a partner or shareholder in the lab company, he gets no commission from the lab, he gets no extra payment from the gov't for sending me to have a test. I make a second appointment to discuss the tests and he gets paid for the second visit sure. However, if I had been sent home to see if whatever drove me to see him in the first place would resolve on its own, and had continuing symptoms, then I would still be making a second appointment and then getting tested and then making a third appointment.
Canadian doctors do not hand out medications, they give prescriptions that get filled at a local pharmacy. They get no commission from the pharmacy nor from the drug company. Doctors in my town at least have no problem filling their day with people wanting to see them and in fact because of the small size of the community every doctor who wants hospital privilages must also do shifts at the emergency room as there is no emergency resident. Deliberately making more work for themselves would be both counter intuitive and counter productive. Only in the USA where doctors may get a commission from a lab or a drug company would this make any sense at all. So if the evil doctor of Mendelsohn's writings exists, they would seem to have to be a mainly American phenomena. That is not to say that there have been cases of fraudulent charges to OHIP. In one case a doctor stopped by a patient's house and inquired conversationally 'how are you doing.?" This was not an arranged house call nor were her health problems discussed. He billed OHIP for a house call. He was fined for this and several other such frauds and had his ability to bill OHIP revoked, essentially putting him out of business as a G.P. with private practice. One wonders though, if the Ontario (the "O" in OHIP) gov't has a unit that looks for fraudulent charges and investigates doctors, who does that for American doctors in private practice and who are billing patients who self pay (no insurance=no insurance company fraud watchers)? The more Robert Prey posts, it seems, the more and more I like my Ontario Health Insurance Plan. Obviously that is not the thread topic nor Robert's intention here, and I only mention it for the irony, not to start a discussion concerning universal health care. |
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Physical Exam???Think Twice
The Dangers of Preventative Medicine
By Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. "The Yale University Health Plan advises its subscribers to think twice before having an annual physical examination. The discovery of large tonsils, heart murmurs, unilateral undescended testes, lumps in the breast, and slight elevation of blood pressure causes uncounted iatrogenic (physician-induced) illnesses through unnecessary and dangerous medications and operations." " A routine physical examination can cost in excess of $100.00, and opens the door for return visits that often include treatment and/or medication to "prevent" suspected disorders. The truth of the matter is that preventive medicine has become a threat to the health of all our people. This is the message all of us dedicated to consumer education must carry to the public." http://www.rethinkingcancer.org/reso...e-medicine.php |
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The thing is that there are genuine issues in the way screening is used which are at risk of being obscured by the paranoid ramblings of conspiracy theorists. If you want a good book on this, try Margaret McCartney's The Patient Paradox.
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Non-answers that fail to address anything said to you in the past two days. Just spinning the thread...
You've been asked to stay on topic. You refuse. You've been asked to state your point. You refuse. Please tell us why you think you're not a troll. |
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wow, you really have not been paying attention to my posts in this thread or you would have noticed that I have needed it, been treated in a timely manner , with respect, and effectively.
otoh you have presented horror stories from three American doctors who variously describe disrespectful, ineffective, fraudelent, and even dangerous(bordering on evil) medical treatment which combined makes me thankful to be living here rather than there. Odd thing is that JU describes his and his family's medical experience is closer to mine rather than what Newman, Welch, or Mendelsohn consider the norm in the USA |
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so Mr Prey this universal cure for cancer where is it and how does it operate?
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Rob, in your own words, what is cancer?
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Let's see Robert, hmmmmm......I would guess he'd say........some sorta non-evolutionary supernatural illness caused by sin, satan and communists.......that can be cured by not seeing a doctor and eating comfort food rustled up by cooks who read the constitution each morning?
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Chemotherapy appears to work, Radiotherapy appears to work more people are surviving cancer than ever before....modern medicine seems to be effective.....
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On a personal level members of my family are now currently alive and well because of Chemo and Radio therapy.
And on a studied scientific level: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/canc...common-cancers |
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One has to presume that the cured cancer really was a cancer and not a pseudo-cancer or harmless non-spreading cancer and that the cure really was due to the therapy, and not due to nature, nor due to the Placebo effect. All that presumed, the 5 year number is increased the earlier the diagnosis, but if death occurs one day after 5 years, it's still considered and counted as a "cured" cancer. Maybe so. Maybe valid. But all that is a whole lot of presummin' since the diagnosis of many suspected cancers is often a guessing game for the doctors, pathologists and radiologists. Dr. H. Gilbert Welch points out there are three types of cancer, the fast growing deadly kind, the slow growing or not growing at all kind, and in the middle, a whole bunch that could be either.
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So Robert in your world the evil doctors allow themselves and their famlies to suffer under their own conspiracy?
Care to explain or will you just ignore that or you come up with a short bit of nonsense - and by doing so concede that you are wrong? LOL |
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The way I read it, in Robert's world there is no cure of any kind for cancer. In that sense he's arguing the opposite conspiracy theory of the one this thread is about. If there appears to be any cure from mainstream medicine, it is dismissed as an outcome that would have occurred naturally without intervention, or it wasn't a "real" cancer in the first place. Ergo all alleged cancer treatments/cures are bogus. (i.e., the No True Scotsman fallacy [ad hoc revision]) He says he also doubts cure claims from alternative medicine too. But the summary appears to be "Mainstream Medicine = Bad," no matter what the topic is.
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Let's see, my mother is still with us, she needed the system about 15 years ago, my father is still with us, he needed the system last year, 4 co-workers who needed the system for various reasons last year are still with us, a former co-worker and friend of mine who has needed the system a couple of times in the last decade is still with us.
All of the above had serious ailments, were treated in a timely manner, with respect from various medical workers, in various locations within a few hours drive of this town, and have recovered well from those ailments. A list of the problems the above persons were treated for: Blown out knee cartilage hip replacement 3 cancers (colon, skin, bladder) gynecological problems Blastomycosis(a life threatening fungal infection) I can get into see my doctor in his office in about a week, sooner if its more urgent, and of course if its urgent there is the emergency dept at the hospital. Yes, if I have a less urgent reason at emergency then triage may well have me waiting hours. This occured last summer when I got a paint chip in my eye. Unfortunately a person with a broken leg and a couple of others who were in a car accident plus a few tourists with a case of picnic fever (food poisoning) and a few others who's ailments I do not recall, went ahead of me since they were more urgent. So how much do you know about the Ontario Health Insurance Plan(OHIP)? Very little it seems. |
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