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5th January 2013, 05:43 PM   #1
1_christian_warrior
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working free energy machine

Attention all of you back yard mechanics,,,
I did an experiment, where I let my electric wheelchair become a free energy device
where I gained the power to go an additional 20 feet up a pretty steep hill,
each time I travel up the hill at full speed, and back then down the hill slowly.
I repeated this test 3 time, gaining a total of 60 feet before stopping the test
Then I repeated the test a few days later, gaining the same 60 feet
This was proof to me, that we have discovered a way of gaining free energy
I also made drawings of how to build a stand-alone mechanism
That I believe should be a way of gaining free energy power supplies

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 5th January 2013, 06:04 PM #2 mike3 Master Poster   Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,466 Originally Posted by 1_christian_warrior Attention all of you back yard mechanics,,, I did an experiment, where I let my electric wheelchair become a free energy device where I gained the power to go an additional 20 feet up a pretty steep hill, each time I travel up the hill at full speed, and back then down the hill slowly. I repeated this test 3 time, gaining a total of 60 feet before stopping the test Then I repeated the test a few days later, gaining the same 60 feet This was proof to me, that we have discovered a way of gaining free energy I also made drawings of how to build a stand-alone mechanism That I believe should be a way of gaining free energy power supplies ... I don't get this. Are you saying you went up 20 feet, then coasted down, then went up 40 feet, and coasted down again, and then went up, etc. ? With the battery not losing any charge? As if the battery has enough power capacity I don't see anything Randi-worthy going on here. __________________ “Ego is subversive and devolutionary, truly destructive and terrible; ego is the generator of privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Ego is the fire that burns within the pit of hell, devouring and consuming everything that enters and leaving utterly nothing behind. Ego is horrible, cruel, and restraining, the darkness of the world, and the doom and bane of man.” – my reaction to that famous Bertrand Russell quote. Last edited by LashL; 6th January 2013 at 12:31 PM. Reason: Snipped quote of moderated content.
 5th January 2013, 06:16 PM #3 Macgyver1968 Philosopher     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 5,164 Cue Mr. T: Energy is like a Malaysian hooker...you can't get something for nothing. It's not just a good idea...it's the law. __________________ "Fixin' crap that ain't broke."
 5th January 2013, 06:27 PM #4 Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored     Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16,047 Hi Joe. I googled as you suggested. It doesn't look like you were able to convince people on that free energy forum, despite posting your message multiple times. Over here, you're more likely to find people who point out that the energy you can harvest by rolling down a hill is not greater then the energy you exert in driving up it in the first place. Still, welcome to the forum.
 5th January 2013, 06:29 PM #5 Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored     Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16,047 Originally Posted by mike3 I don't get this. Are you saying you went up 20 feet, then coasted down, then went up 40 feet, and coasted down again, and then went up, etc. ? With the battery not losing any charge? As if the battery has enough power capacity I don't see anything Randi-worthy going on here. Regenerative braking, presumably. Not clear which part is supposed to be over 100% efficient yet, but have a sinking feeling it's just the high gear/low gear bit. Joe, if that worked, people with electric cars could charge their batteries just by alternately accelerating in one gear then braking in another gear. I think you need to do some basic reading on how electric motors and generators behave first. Last edited by Jack by the hedge; 5th January 2013 at 06:33 PM.
 5th January 2013, 10:13 PM #6 jsfisher ETcorngods survivor     Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 24,291 Originally Posted by 1_christian_warrior Attention all of you back yard mechanics,,, First of all, welcome to the forums. You know what would be really helpful? Could you post a link to a video of your magnetic motor in full operation. That why we'd all understand you have a serious claim--one worthy of the \$1,000,000 prize--and that you are not simply trying to hawk your \$200 CAD drawings for something that doesn't work at all. __________________ A proud member of the Simpson 15+7, named in the suit, Simpson v. Zwinge, et al., and founder of the ET Corn Gods Survivors Group. "He's the greatest mod that never was!" -- Monketey Ghost
 5th January 2013, 10:16 PM #7 StankApe Banned   Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628 I once at a quarter pound cheeseburger and used the energy from it to lift a 60 lb bag of concrete! 240X return!! Match that efficiency !!!
 6th January 2013, 12:21 AM #8 Brian-M Daydreamer     Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,044 Originally Posted by 1_christian_warrior This was proof to me, that we have discovered a way of gaining free energy I also made drawings of how to build a stand-alone mechanism That I believe should be a way of gaining free energy power supplies Oooooh. I just love free energy machines, especially the really clever ones. Originally Posted by 1_christian_warrior On this website: if this site does not allow url then search for “free-energy” and “yolasite” This site does allow urls, but only after you've made a certain number of posts. Presumably the site you want us to look at is: http://free-energy.yolasite.com But I've noticed that in addition to this forum, you seem to also have posted it to these.... http://freeenergyforum.com/discussio...enerate-itself http://pub20.bravenet.com/forum/stat...12691&cmd=show http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy.../#.UOkWnM6PcwI http://www.overunity.com/11851/any-p.../#.UOkYxc6PcwI http://forums.cnet.com/7723-10152_10...sageId=5407194 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age2103527/pg1 And many more. Somehow, I doubt you'll have the time to pay much attention to the replies in this forum, but I'll give your machine a fair assessment anyway. From your webpage: Quote: It is easy enough to build, as all you need is a twelve volt battery, two 12 Volt motors, one large pulley, at least one small pulley, a belt that fits the pulleys, and the hardware to put these parts together.(nuts + bolts + framing to mount on) ((along with electronics, such as wires and a bridge rectifier and a voltage regulator,)) ((all of which could be easily built on a simple proto-board) (you might even be able to use any voltage motors - even 120 Volt It is a very simple mechanism in its workings, as you put power into the motor with the big pulley attached, and you take power out from the motor-(generator) with the small pulley attached. The output motor, or several motors even, the one(s) with the small pulley attached, rotates a lot faster,(more rotations per second) than your input motor. There is a belt connecting the two,(or more) motors together, that can be as small as you want, depending on if you required size constraints, or as large as you want, to accommodate multiple output generators,,, like in our petrol fuelled power stations. I cannot be sure, without having results from tests, but I think that we can gain more power, with every generator that you add with a small pulley. Link to the diagram on the website: http://free-energy.yolasite.com/reso...machine%29.jpg Very disappointing. There's clearly no way this can work. The simplest explanation for why it won't work that I can give you (and there are multiple explanations to choose from), it's because the large pulley will impart much greater speed, but far less torque onto the small pulley. As soon as you add load to the small pulley (by drawing power from the AC generator to power the DC motor), there won't be enough torque to turn the small pulley anymore, and the whole thing will stop turning. __________________ "That is just what you feel, that isn't reality." - hamelekim Last edited by Brian-M; 6th January 2013 at 12:25 AM.
 6th January 2013, 12:26 AM #9 StankApe Banned   Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628 ahhh, it's the old "big wheel turns faster and over a longer distance than small pulley hence generating more energy than it uses!!!!" gag. Problem is, energy doesn't work that way. eventually, it won't be able to turn the wheel "as stated above" and eventually the battery will truly die and it will all come to dead stop. Have you tested it with no battery in place? I could get into the law of diminishing returns too (how a wheel twice as large doesn't generate twice as much energy) but that would be overkill Last edited by StankApe; 6th January 2013 at 12:27 AM.
 6th January 2013, 03:59 AM #10 Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance LeaderTLA Dictator     Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468 The claim on the Free Energy Forum is that he went up the hill until it stopped (e.g. "dead battery") and then went down the hill in low gear and when he turned around and went back up again, he got 20 feet more distance than he got when doing it on battery power. I'm no engineer, but I'd say it's pretty obvious - the battery was low to start with. The fact that he got 20 feet farther the first time, and the same each of the other two attempts (total of 60 feet he says), would say that the machine stores X amount of energy and that happens to be 20' + what was on the original battery charge. Joe, why don't you run your chair down the switchbacks in the Alps. Some of those are a total of 15/20 km, all downhill. If you really get more energy, you should be able to drive your chair to Paris. It won't happen, though. The clue is that you got the same +20 the first, second and third times. It's the same amount of energy, not more, on try 2 and try 3. __________________ Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable.
 6th January 2013, 04:23 AM #11 Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored     Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16,047 I have observed that people working in proximity to prototype free energy devices appear to lose the capacity to write concisely. (Does this effect yet have a name, or any proposed mechanism?) We should be alarmed by this. Should not such work be halted until it can be established how to protect experimenters? Roentgen and Curie managed to dose themselves with high levels of radiation without apprehending the danger.
 6th January 2013, 05:23 AM #12 Brian-M Daydreamer     Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,044 Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge I have observed that people working in proximity to prototype free energy devices appear to lose the capacity to write concisely. (Does this effect yet have a name, or any proposed mechanism?) We should be alarmed by this. Should not such work be halted until it can be established how to protect experimenters? Roentgen and Curie managed to dose themselves with high levels of radiation without apprehending the danger. Have we established yet that the inability to write concisely is not a pre-existing condition? Their inability to write concisely may be a symptom of a condition that renders them more likely to work in proximity to prototype free energy devices in the first place. __________________ "That is just what you feel, that isn't reality." - hamelekim
 6th January 2013, 08:04 AM #13 Czarcasm Groovy Groovy Guru     Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,079 Originally Posted by Brian-M Have we established yet that the inability to write concisely is not a pre-existing condition? Their inability to write concisely may be a symptom of a condition that renders them more likely to work in proximity to prototype free energy devices in the first place. Or in other words: Which came first? The brain-damaged chicken, or the scrambled egg? __________________ The sun is out, the birds are singing and all is right with the world. I loooove my meds!
 6th January 2013, 08:26 AM #14 paiute Graduate Poster     Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,393 I appreciate that Mr. Warrior has included safety warnings on his site, including: "If this system is allowed to run freely, without having any outside drain of power, this system will overcharge itself, and may even explode." Which is at once a valuable tip to follow when operating any overunity or perpetual motion or free energy harvesting machine and some bitching free verse. __________________ A Novel and Efficient Synthesis of Cadaverine Organic chemistry, vengeful ghosts, and high explosives. What could possibly go wrong? Now free for download! http://www.scribd.com/doc/36568510/A...-of-Cadaverine
 6th January 2013, 11:45 AM #15 fuelair Banned     Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581 For the enlightenment of any unaware of it's existence, fuelair proudly explodes with the presentations of The Museum of UnWorkable Devices which includes the Devices, Analyses of Why They be Unworkable, and the Occasional "We will leave this for the student to solve......." : http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm
 6th January 2013, 11:46 AM #16 fuelair Banned     Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581 Go ye now and do likewise!!!
 6th January 2013, 11:56 AM #17 TjW Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 11,097 Originally Posted by paiute I appreciate that Mr. Warrior has included safety warnings on his site, including: "If this system is allowed to run freely, without having any outside drain of power, this system will overcharge itself, and may even explode." Which is at once a valuable tip to follow when operating any overunity or perpetual motion or free energy harvesting machine and some bitching free verse. It would be better as: If the system's allowed to run freely Without some sort of braking-type dealy Its battery load Will surely explode Which I guarantee you will feely.
 6th January 2013, 12:03 PM #18 Lanzy Muse     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 976 Run the world on Wheelchairs?
 6th January 2013, 12:58 PM #19 Modified Philosopher     Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,985 A battery that is hot after high usage may appear to be dead, but after cooling down it can have a lot of charge. This happens all the time with cordless power tools. I suspect something like this. "Dead battery" is not an accurate way to measure energy use.
 6th January 2013, 01:07 PM #20 CORed Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,589 It pretty much goes without saying that the "free" energy the OP thinks he is getting is coming from the wheelchair's battery and, ultimately from the wall socket. The electric wheelchairs that I have seen (a very small sample to be sure) do not have multi-ratio transmissions. They have a speed control that I'm pretty sure works by changing the voltage supplied to the motor, possibly simply with resistors, possibly by using more sophisticated electronics to do it with less loss than a simple resistor. Here is what I think might really be happening.: OP runs his wheelchair uphill at full power until the motor get's hot enough to trip the thermal overload that is probably there to keep the motor from burning out. He then coasts it downhill at minimum power, allowing the motor to cool off enough to allow him to climb the hill a little farther. Alternatively, if the OP really conducting his experiment with a low battery (which he does not make clear), heat, battery polarization or some other anomaly is making the chair stop before the battery is completely discharged. In any event, it's safe to say that if he repeats his poorly designed experiment enough times, he will end up stuck at the bottom of the hill with a dead battery. O f course that is exactly what you would expect a shill for Big Oil to say in order to suppress da twoof about free energy.
 6th January 2013, 01:39 PM #21 marplots Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 29,167 The real breakthrough here is a chair with wheels. Imagine it -- a chair, so you can sit down, but with wheels, allowing mobility as well. This is huge!
 6th January 2013, 08:09 PM #22 Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing     Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 24,437 Originally Posted by marplots The real breakthrough here is a chair with wheels. Imagine it -- a chair, so you can sit down, but with wheels, allowing mobility as well. This is huge! Need a picture or it doesn't exist! __________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick
 6th January 2013, 08:32 PM #23 jsfisher ETcorngods survivor     Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 24,291 I think the OP has left the forums. Mission accomplished: Spam forums everywhere hoping to lure the feeble-minded to buy his CAD drawings. The JREF was perhaps not his wisest choice. __________________ A proud member of the Simpson 15+7, named in the suit, Simpson v. Zwinge, et al., and founder of the ET Corn Gods Survivors Group. "He's the greatest mod that never was!" -- Monketey Ghost
 6th January 2013, 11:19 PM #24 GzuzKryzt Philosopher   Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,363 Originally Posted by fuelair For the enlightenment of any unaware of it's existence, fuelair proudly explodes with the presentations of The Museum of UnWorkable Devices which includes the Devices, Analyses of Why They be Unworkable, and the Occasional "We will leave this for the student to solve......." : http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm Thanks. Great link. It reminds of my time as an amateur scientist when I tried to figure out why Gyro Gearloose's devices did not work. I retired from amateur science at around age 12, having concluded free energy devices are as likely to work out long term as the Beagle Boys' plans.
 6th January 2013, 11:24 PM #25 Brian-M Daydreamer     Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,044 Originally Posted by jsfisher I think the OP has left the forums. Mission accomplished: Spam forums everywhere hoping to lure the feeble-minded to buy his CAD drawings. I don't think he's selling anything. I think he genuinely believes that he's stumbled onto something that will benefit all humanity, and so he's spamming for the greater good. __________________ "That is just what you feel, that isn't reality." - hamelekim
 7th January 2013, 12:12 AM #26 fuelair Banned     Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581 Originally Posted by William Smith Thanks. Great link. It reminds of my time as an amateur scientist when I tried to figure out why Gyro Gearloose's devices did not work. I retired from amateur science at around age 12, having concluded free energy devices are as likely to work out long term as the Beagle Boys' plans. You are welcome - I love the site myself! And Scrooge, Gyro, etc.........
 7th January 2013, 01:35 AM #27 Ape of Good Hope Graduate Poster     Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,502 Originally Posted by 1_christian_warrior Attention all of you back yard mechanics,,, I did an experiment, where I let my electric wheelchair become a free energy device where I gained the power to go an additional 20 feet up a pretty steep hill, each time I travel up the hill at full speed, and back then down the hill slowly. I repeated this test 3 time, gaining a total of 60 feet before stopping the test Then I repeated the test a few days later, gaining the same 60 feet This was proof to me, that we have discovered a way of gaining free energy I also made drawings of how to build a stand-alone mechanism That I believe should be a way of gaining free energy power supplies ... Will your stand-alone mechanism be tribulation-proof?
 7th January 2013, 10:03 AM #28 tsig a carbon based life-form   Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 39,049 Originally Posted by jsfisher I think the OP has left the forums. Mission accomplished: Spam forums everywhere hoping to lure the feeble-minded to buy his CAD drawings. The JREF was perhaps not his wisest choice. Why not there are plenty of cads here.
 7th January 2013, 09:33 PM #29 Battman Thinker     Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 149 Originally Posted by Modified A battery that is hot after high usage may appear to be dead, but after cooling down it can have a lot of charge. This happens all the time with cordless power tools. I suspect something like this. "Dead battery" is not an accurate way to measure energy use. Cordless power tool batteries are thermally protected by a thermistor. It's simply a temperature controlled breaker that opens the circuit at a specified temperature that is low enough to not actually damage the battery. If a battery is genuinely overheated, its life can be severely shortened. __________________ I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed enemy. Never try to argue with stupid people. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
 7th January 2013, 10:30 PM #30 Duffy Moon Master Poster   Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,591 Originally Posted by tsig Why not there are plenty of cads here. Plenty of bounders, too. And more than a few rotters. __________________ Sent from my ZX Spectrum 48K using Tapatalk
 8th January 2013, 05:17 AM #31 Dancing David Penultimate Amazing     Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central Illinois Posts: 39,700 Originally Posted by Duffy Moon Plenty of bounders, too. And more than a few rotters. Lets us not forget the scoundrels and blackguards __________________ I suspect you are a sandwich, metaphorically speaking. -Donn And a shot rang out. Now Space is doing time... -Ben Burch You built the toilet - don't complain when people crap in it. _Kid Eager Never underestimate the power of the Random Number God. More of evolutionary history is His doing than people think. - Dinwar
 8th January 2013, 05:37 AM #32 SezMe post-pre-born     Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 25,183 Originally Posted by StankApe I once at a quarter pound cheeseburger and used the energy from it to lift a 60 lb bag of concrete! 240X return!! Oh, bull. It was the large fries that did it.
 8th January 2013, 05:40 AM #33 Belz... Fiend God     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875 Originally Posted by 1_christian_warrior I did an experiment, where I let my electric wheelchair become a free energy device No, you didn't. __________________ Master of the Shining Darkness "My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward
 8th January 2013, 07:44 AM #34 TjW Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 11,097 Originally Posted by Dancing David Originally Posted by Duffy Moon Plenty of bounders, too. And more than a few rotters. Lets us not forget the scoundrels and blackguards Or the flatterers.
 8th January 2013, 07:47 AM #35 Almo Masterblazer     Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 6,843 Originally Posted by 1_christian_warrior I let my electric wheelchair become a free energy device __________________ Almo! My Music Blog "No society ever collapsed because the poor had too much." — LeftySergeant "It may be that there is no body really at rest, to which the places and motions of others may be referred." –Issac Newton in the Principia
 8th January 2013, 07:51 AM #36 Modified Philosopher     Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,985 Originally Posted by Battman Cordless power tool batteries are thermally protected by a thermistor. It's simply a temperature controlled breaker that opens the circuit at a specified temperature that is low enough to not actually damage the battery. If a battery is genuinely overheated, its life can be severely shortened. That's probably the main cause, but even with a battery that's not overheated, just drained, waiting a few seconds will give you another few seconds of use, and this can be repeated ten times or so. At least, that works with NiCad batteries.
 8th January 2013, 10:42 AM #37 poblob14 Muse   Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 623 Originally Posted by StankApe I once at a quarter pound cheeseburger and used the energy from it to lift a 60 lb bag of concrete! 240X return!! Match that efficiency !!! That's nothing. I've turned a series of QPs into a 300 pound fat ass.
25th February 2013, 09:50 AM   #38
1_christian_warrior
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more reasoning for this free energy device

Originally Posted by mike3
I don't get this. Are you saying you went up 20 feet, then coasted down, then went up 40 feet, and coasted down again, and then went up, etc. ? With the battery not losing any charge? As if the battery has enough power capacity I don't see anything Randi-worthy going on here.
here I try to explain why this Miricle works
sorry for the length of this response
but there are an aweful lot of reasoning that I try to explain
this is a compilation of many answers that I have tried to explain

Subject: free energy from the Bible

ATTENTION all of you back yard mechanics,,,

I did an experiment, where I let my electric wheelchair act as a free energy device
where I gained the power to go an additional 20 feet up a pretty steep hill
each time I travel up the hill at maximum speed, (10th gear)
and then back down the hill at a slow speed, (1st gear)
I repeated this test 3 time, gaining a total of 60 feet before stopping the test
Then I repeated the test a few days later, gaining the same 60 feet
This was proof to me, that we have discovered a way of gaining free energy

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 Edited by LashL: Snipped for compliance with Rule 4. Do not copy and paste lengthy tracts of text from elsewhere. Instead quote a short passage and provide a link to the source.

Last edited by LashL; 25th February 2013 at 11:23 AM.

 25th February 2013, 09:52 AM #39 phunk Illuminator     Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,127 Being more verbose doesn't make you any less wrong.
 25th February 2013, 10:42 AM #40 1_christian_warrior New Blood   Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6 GEM = God's Energy Machine = Gift from God Sorry, but I don’t believe that this is anything like a hooker From any nation, continent or race This is a gift from God Evil forces have no doubt been battling to keep this hidden For who knows how long, probably since electricity has been discovered This is so simple it seems too simple too work But it does work, and it works very well You are using the change in size of pulleys To multiply the amount of rotations This is significant with electricity As more rotations usually equals more power with electric motors/generators I gave a collection of my answers to others earlier we need to get this info out to the Tribulation Saints I have a working free energy device in my house it is my electric wheelchair, or any electric wheelchair that has the drive gear settings changed to max torque,(1st gear) + max speed,(10th gear) WARNING = the pre-Trib started on March 14th, 2012 please google doorschristmustpassthrough + yolasite joe lynch one_christian_warrior(at)yahoo.ca please Google beliefstoliveby + yolasite Last edited by 1_christian_warrior; 25th February 2013 at 10:58 AM.

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