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Old 17th January 2013, 05:03 PM   #41
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I like the alternate reality where Al Gore won the election and was president when the September 11th attacks happened. The US never invaded Iraq in that universe, though they did still go to Afghanistan with an international force.
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Old 18th January 2013, 09:16 AM   #42
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Howdy Vort.
One of your neighbors in Austin Texas, E. Cline, wrote a fantastic book called 'Ready Player One'. All the fantasy realities exist, sort of, within a web that is called...gah! can't remember and now must read the book again!
Ok, thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out!
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Old 18th January 2013, 09:41 AM   #43
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TRON. The bikes are cool, and you get to play video games all day.
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Old 18th January 2013, 10:02 AM   #44
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Actually, last I heard, that war caused a little over 850 billion sentient casualties, and for a while it was a war based on actually trying to inflict as many civilian casualties as possible on the worlds caught in the conflict, as to try to force a surrender that way. And a whole civilization being put, basically, in reservations.

I think I'll pass
That figure is for both sides.

Given that the Idiran lost its reasonable to think that they took more casulties.

The casualty figures also include medjel who the Idiran would have viewed as expendable (resulting in high casulty numbers) so that will have further reduced the number of culture citizens lost. You also got to consider the tactics the two sides employed. Once the culture tactics moved beyond running away you would have had culture ships controled by only one or two Minds destroying large numbers of fully crewed Idiran warships with even on a logarithmic scale is going to result in far more Idiran casulties than culture.

You've also got Homomda losses (probably fairly small) and non culture civilian losses (likely rather larger) to consider.

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Old 18th January 2013, 11:33 AM   #45
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Niven's 'Known Space,' just not during the time that one suspects that they could be trussed up and eaten alive by intelligent, carnivorous felinoids. After that.

Well after that.

Or the time when one could be sent to the organ banks for being a habitual traffic offender.
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Old 18th January 2013, 11:43 AM   #46
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Xanth or Skyrim, a nice little house in Whiterun
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Old 18th January 2013, 11:51 AM   #47
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When I was younger, so much younger than today, I dreamt of living in the kingdom of Thornwood or at Myst island.
Not the island, but D'ni would be a fairly good place to live. It had a bit of an overbearing government (Ti'ana and Atreus were almost unable to marry because a single member of the ruling body vetoed it), and okay, the Philosopher and the rich punk did some major damage to it, but there are downsides to all societies. I even know where I'd fit--given my profession and hobbies, I'd end up in either the Guild of Writers or Guild of Maintaners.

As far as Tamrielle, you couldn't pay me enough to live there. Skyrim subsists almost entirley as a hunter/gatherer society, for example. Then you've got the Emperial Cult and the Tribune, and the constant threat of Daedric invasion/cultist attacks, etc. Oh, and mages blowing themselves up. And every minor crack in the ground is filled with bloodthirsty monsters. I'm good with a blade, but not that good...
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Old 18th January 2013, 11:51 AM   #48
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TRON. The bikes are cool, and you get to play video games all day.
...as long as you don't get derezzed.
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Old 18th January 2013, 12:38 PM   #49
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Not the island, but D'ni would be a fairly good place to live.
I'd miss the sun and fresh breezy air.
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I'd miss the sun and fresh breezy air.
Why? There were public libraries consisting of innumerable Ages where you could go for those. As I recall there weren't restrictions on access to those (though some scenes in the original book paint a slightly darker picture of D'ni society). If you were a wealthy family you'd have a private Age or two as well.
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Old 18th January 2013, 01:06 PM   #51
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Why? There were public libraries consisting of innumerable Ages where you could go for those. As I recall there weren't restrictions on access to those (though some scenes in the original book paint a slightly darker picture of D'ni society). If you were a wealthy family you'd have a private Age or two as well.
Oh sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you meant just the underground world
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Old 18th January 2013, 01:59 PM   #52
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Fantasy? None. As many people had said, fantasy pretty much by definition means a life where commoners are brutalized in various ways, and even nobles often die prematurely. And rarely have painkillers.

SF? Plenty. There are many science fictional settings which are NOT based on war (or war is long in the past), and which are more attractive than present reality.
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Old 18th January 2013, 02:02 PM   #53
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I wouldn't mind living in the Dune universe, but only if I could found an evil order of evil conspiracy called the Bene Monkey. We'd devote ourselves to evil magic, evil multigenerational plots, evil politics, and of course evil sex. Most importantly, we'd do all these things with immense style and fabulousity, which would make the other evil conspiracy orders look like the crappy semi-evil amateurs they are.
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I wouldn't mind living in the Dune universe, but only if I could found an evil order of evil conspiracy called the Bene Monkey. We'd devote ourselves to evil magic, evil multigenerational plots, evil politics, and of course evil sex. Most importantly, we'd do all these things with immense style and fabulousity, which would make the other evil conspiracy orders look like the crappy semi-evil amateurs they are.
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Old 18th January 2013, 05:21 PM   #56
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Oz. No reason to think of any other fantasyland. You get to fly on brooms. Talk to monkeys and talk to exotic people of all different sizes and makeups. The animals are friendly and can talk.

As for a love interest. Hey everything else is magical. Maybe the wizard would conjure me up a girlfriend.
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Oz. No reason to think of any other fantasyland. You get to fly on brooms. Talk to monkeys and talk to exotic people of all different sizes and makeups. The animals are friendly and can talk.

As for a love interest. Hey everything else is magical. Maybe the wizard would conjure me up a girlfriend.
Australia is a fantasy land, huh?
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Star Trek TNG would probably be the best for me. I'd be a total holodeck junky. The holodeck is really all I'd need for the rest of my life for the most part. I could create and go to any other fantasy world I wanted, safe but able to decapitate as many orcs or Lannisters as I'd want.
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Australia is a fantasy land, huh?
Actually, it is, heat waves notwithstanding. I spent an incredible couple months there exploring different wildernesses.
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I picked elfheim but I hear its now full of trolls and is quite nasty. I heard elf women are sexy.
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Star Trek TNG would probably be the best for me. I'd be a total holodeck junky. The holodeck is really all I'd need for the rest of my life for the most part. I could create and go to any other fantasy world I wanted, safe but able to decapitate as many orcs or Lannisters as I'd want.

+1

One thing about holodecks though, a point that I read in a piece of fanfic, is that normal entertainment programs would most likely not allow users to participate in sex acts, because doing so could create unrealistic expectations of "perfect fantasy sex" that would lead to real-world sex problems.
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Plus, some poor sap would have to hose down the Holodeck afterwards.
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Plus, some poor sap would have to hose down the Holodeck afterwards.
Just make a hologram to do the cleanup.

And to make sure you get all the time you like without sharing, make all your holodeck programs have the first bit inside the door look like the holodeck is off and being worked on by engineers, who tell whoever enters that it's broken.
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One thing about holodecks though, a point that I read in a piece of fanfic, is that normal entertainment programs would most likely not allow users to participate in sex acts, because doing so could create unrealistic expectations of "perfect fantasy sex" that would lead to real-world sex problems.
Actually, in DS9 it's strongly implied that most of Quark's holodeck programs are erotic in nature. Unless programs like "Vulcan Love Slave" and "Vulcan Love Slave, Part II" and "Vulcan Love Slave, Volume III" and others mentioned in DS9 are seriously mislabeled. (Then again, Rule Of Acquisition 239: "Never be afraid to mislabel a product.")

And there actually is one holodeck junkie who pays to have an exact replica of Major Kira wait for him in bed in a holodeck, although in the end Kira and IIRC Odo thwart that.

So, yes, erotic holodeck programs existed, and if the Federation had any hangups about it, a fine example of a Ferengi businessman like Quark wasn't supposed to have such hangups about making a profit any way he can, and he didn't. And even the Federation or Bajor didn't seem to mind Quark's doing that on their station. And no fan-fic can override the canon about that.

The thing is, though, Quark is seriously surprised that said junkie is rich enough to own his own holosuite. And in other material it's implied that the energy use of replicators and holodecks is very high, so I guess that would also not be cheap to own.

And if you want to use one of Quark's (or some other entrepreneur owning some)... let's just say that there didn't seem to be much privacy over who's doing what in the holodeck. People talk freely about Bashir's and O'Brien's doing the battle of Britain in there, or what the Klingons are doing in there, and so on. Even Quark himself, when he's using the holodeck to sell weapons, everyone and their pet targ knows about it.

So, yeah, you could probably pay a few slips of gold-pressed latinum to have sex in the holodeck, but only if you don't mind that everyone on the station will know you're the wanker who pays for that kinda thing.
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So, yeah, you could probably pay a few slips of gold-pressed latinum to have sex in the holodeck, but only if you don't mind that everyone on the station will know you're the wanker who pays for that kinda thing.
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The Star Wars Galaxy Far Far Away...

... in which all other fantasy realities exist on different planets. There's Arda/Middle-earth, Potterworld, Disneyworld, Pixar Planet, Conan's Hyborian World, the Marvel Planet, DC World, the Time Bandits Multiverse, etc. etc., plus of course all the Star Wars planets.

You could spend a lifetime on any one of them, or just pop by for short visits/adventures. Tell me that wouldn't be the coolest thing ever.
Possibilities in future immersive VR with DNI tech... I hope! The sooner the better.
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An angel-netted MPA megastructure in the inner core in the Orion's Arm universe (online world-building group) post Oracle War period. Preferably with the freedom to come and go, from one hab to another within a stable, but culturally variable meta-empire.

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The Game of Thrones universe. There's sex AND violence!
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Actually, in DS9 it's strongly implied that most of Quark's holodeck programs are erotic in nature. Unless programs like "Vulcan Love Slave" and "Vulcan Love Slave, Part II" and "Vulcan Love Slave, Volume III" and others mentioned in DS9 are seriously mislabeled. (Then again, Rule Of Acquisition 239: "Never be afraid to mislabel a product.")

And there actually is one holodeck junkie who pays to have an exact replica of Major Kira wait for him in bed in a holodeck, although in the end Kira and IIRC Odo thwart that.

So, yes, erotic holodeck programs existed, and if the Federation had any hangups about it, a fine example of a Ferengi businessman like Quark wasn't supposed to have such hangups about making a profit any way he can, and he didn't. And even the Federation or Bajor didn't seem to mind Quark's doing that on their station. And no fan-fic can override the canon about that.

The thing is, though, Quark is seriously surprised that said junkie is rich enough to own his own holosuite. And in other material it's implied that the energy use of replicators and holodecks is very high, so I guess that would also not be cheap to own.

In the story I read, erotic/pornographic programs were perfectly fine; the participants just weren't allowed to engage in actual holosex, for the reason I mentioned. The story also suggested that medical/psychological personnel were allowed to override this prohibition in order to create "sex-therapy" programs (or to indulge their own private fantasies ). However, you do raise a potentially valid point. The story was set on NCC-1701-D. Starfleet regulations on the use of Starfleet holodecks by Starfleet personnel might not necessarily apply to civilian or dual-use holodecks.

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And if you want to use one of Quark's (or some other entrepreneur owning some)... let's just say that there didn't seem to be much privacy over who's doing what in the holodeck. People talk freely about Bashir's and O'Brien's doing the battle of Britain in there, or what the Klingons are doing in there, and so on. Even Quark himself, when he's using the holodeck to sell weapons, everyone and their pet targ knows about it.

I'm not sure these are good examples. Besides the fact that Miles presumably talked to his wife about what the two of them were up to, the fact that he and Julian walked in wearing RAF flight suits and parachutes would tend to give away what they had planned. Quark presumably advertised his virtual weapons demonstration (though I could be wrong; I don't remember that particular episode).

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So, yeah, you could probably pay a few slips of gold-pressed latinum to have sex in the holodeck, but only if you don't mind that everyone on the station will know you're the wanker who pays for that kinda thing.

I'm sure that Quark would have been willing to guarantee complete discretion and confidentiality--for a price, of course.
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The Game of Thrones universe. There's sex AND violence!

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Star Trek TNG would probably be the best for me. I'd be a total holodeck junky. The holodeck is really all I'd need for the rest of my life for the most part. I could create and go to any other fantasy world I wanted, safe but able to decapitate as many orcs or Lannisters as I'd want.
Probably the nerdiest response so far, and therefore the best.
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Just make a hologram to do the cleanup.
I'd like to think that was Voyager's Doctor's original reason for being created. Yes, I know the prototype was made to work in mines, but this would be a lot funnier to explain his surliness.

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The porn universe, where every situation turns into sex.
I.E. the Penthouse Forum.
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I'd like to think that was Voyager's Doctor's original reason for being created. Yes, I know the prototype was made to work in mines, but this would be a lot funnier to explain his surliness.



I.E. the Penthouse Forum.
I would quit my job and deliver pizza inn that world.
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Old 20th January 2013, 08:42 PM   #77
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The Culture for me. It currently represents my ideal for what an advanced society should look like, and I say that as a longtime Star Trek fan. I've come to feel that Star Treks vision of the future is dated and limiting. Particularly in the areas of genetic modification and cybernetics, which are treated as bogeymen so they can claim that they're so much "wiser" for not using it. It's really pretty Luddite in that respect.

Give me The Culture where I can pretty much do what I want with my body.
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I.E. the Penthouse Forum.
I never would have believed it if it hadn't happened to me.
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In the story I read, erotic/pornographic programs were perfectly fine; the participants just weren't allowed to engage in actual holosex, for the reason I mentioned. The story also suggested that medical/psychological personnel were allowed to override this prohibition in order to create "sex-therapy" programs (or to indulge their own private fantasies ). However, you do raise a potentially valid point. The story was set on NCC-1701-D. Starfleet regulations on the use of Starfleet holodecks by Starfleet personnel might not necessarily apply to civilian or dual-use holodecks.
Ah, well, if you meant on a military starship, I can imagine that they'd have all sorts of regulations for everything and then some. I've been in the army. They love rules.

I can also easily imagine the ship's counselor having something to say about it, since, well, ensuring everyone is sane enough was the reason Starfleet included one on every ship in the first place. I guess when your power source can implode into a gigaton nuke, that you don't want unhinged people anywhere near it.

But, yeah, considering that Quark's cousin just proposed a virus when a client wanted 28 million civillians killed horribly, and casually proceeded to calculate the price, and his human employer didn't seem bothered either... yeah, somehow I can't picture "leads someone to unrealistic expectations in a mate" as even showing up on their radar

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I'm not sure these are good examples. Besides the fact that Miles presumably talked to his wife about what the two of them were up to, the fact that he and Julian walked in wearing RAF flight suits and parachutes would tend to give away what they had planned. Quark presumably advertised his virtual weapons demonstration (though I could be wrong; I don't remember that particular episode).
Well, I'd expect there would be some advertising involved towards potential customers, but you'd think that at least by the time everyone on the station ostracizes him for it, he'd stop advertising to them. Then again, I guess Quark could be about as sharp as a bowling ball at times

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I'm sure that Quark would have been willing to guarantee complete discretion and confidentiality--for a price, of course.
Hmm, well, I guess it would make business sense for him to accept that. At that point though, I have to wonder if it's worth it any more. By the time you factored in the normal price for the holodeck (there are a handful of them and thousands of people on the station, so supply/demand can't make that dirt cheap), plus paying Quark, plus maybe Rom too in case he has to repair it in the middle of your playing "something with half a dozen Orion slave-girls"... I'd think it would be easier to just hop onto a shuttle to nearby Bajor and look for a real hooker

I mean, there is a famine and a lot of broke people down there. I'd have more trouble imagining that there isn't someone who manages to rationalize that the Prophets must want them to sell their body, than that you'd probably find someone on every corner who got that idea.
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I think that most fantasy universes would actually be quite horrible if you were not a main character or someone in the upper classes.
I agree. Most of these places would not be present to live in for the average person. I’d say the Trek universe is probably the exception so that’d be my pick.
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