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Old 19th January 2013, 09:02 AM   #4001
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[i][color="DarkRed"]All I know is that animals and children have no fear of me or that they can see that I am about love.
No, it's because children are trusting of everyone and the only animal we see approaching you, you are bribing with food.

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That bird would be there and if there were 6 cars in that drive through it would always choose my car out of all the others.
Sorry, I don't believe you. That bird would appoach every car the same, if no handout was forthcoming it would move on to the next one. I notice that the only picture you've posted is one where you are at a fast food restaurant with a hamburger in your hand where animals that are acclimated to it will approach humans.

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Probably because I was the most generous with it, it recognized generosity.
No, it's because it was scavenging and recognized an easy mark. Go to a national park where humans congregate with food and you'll see the same thing with squirrels and chipmunks.

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God blessed the animals as well as us:
Evidence for any god(s) yet? There hasn't been any so we'll go with the null hypothesis that there aren't any god(s). Your unevidenced assertion is meaningless.

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animals vote as a group in the wild and they all follow what the group as a majority wants as soon as 51% agree on what they need, its choice as a group is immediately implemented democratically.
You should return that to your backside where you pulled it from. Some animals, like wolves, follow the leader. There is no vote. You really don't know this? Show me the ballot box for horses.

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In bold above: I'll say it again because you are hard headed and can't get this when I say, [b][i]Animals are intelligent and have a spirit of God[/i][/b]
No, it isn't that I'm hard headed, it's that you are soft headed. Naturally everyone else will seem like their head is hard. I'll say it again because of your soft head. You've yet to prove any god(s) exist. Start there.

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they are as special as we are,
Again, we agree.

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they may not be as creative as we are but can think and act remember plus love their own and other animals that aren't the same species. They can recognize intent.
Yep, that's why animals are never killed by humans.

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There was one time while camping, spending months recovering from a broken heel that a predator walked by me when it could have killed me easily as I lay in my tent to sleep, it was a cougar at about 200 pounds or better. The cougar made it clear that it was there as it growled next to my tent but accepted me in its territory. I saw it once in daylight near my camp spot. It could have taken me anytime it wanted especially when I would take a duce, while I was most vulnerable.
It also knew I feed it, I was an asset for it in its own territory, we had an alliance.
No, you didn't. It may have already eaten, it may have weighed the danger of attacking you on a risk/reward basis and thought it wasn't worth the risk. Again, you really don't know these things?

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But unlike Ali I wouldn't jump right into a cage with a lion who is upset with imprisonment that would be totally foolish as they are cornered.
Ah, good, you do realize that you don't have any special power over other animals. You were just blowing wind like Ali does.

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I would not do that again with my dog who loves me let alone with a lion, that would be testing God and that isnít a good thing.

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Which god? I test them all the time to see if they exist. None has ever passed the test. Why is that not a good thing? The two gods that you and Ali invented haven't passed the test so they definitely don't exist. Were you thinking of any others?
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Old 19th January 2013, 11:27 AM   #4002
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All I know is that animals and children have no fear of me or that they can see that I am about love. That bird would be there and if there were 6 cars in that drive through it would always choose my car out of all the others.
Probably because I was the most generous with it, it recognized generosity.
God blessed the animals as well as us: animals vote as a group in the wild and they all follow what the group as a majority wants as soon as 51% agree on what they need, its choice as a group is immediately implemented democratically.


In bold above: I'll say it again because you are hard headed and can't get this when I say, Animals are intelligent and have a spirit of God, they are as special as we are, they may not be as creative as we are but can think and act remember plus love their own and other animals that aren't the same species. They can recognize intent.

There was one time while camping, spending months recovering from a broken heel that a predator walked by me when it could have killed me easily as I lay in my tent to sleep, it was a cougar at about 200 pounds or better. The cougar made it clear that it was there as it growled next to my tent but accepted me in its territory. I saw it once in daylight near my camp spot. It could have taken me anytime it wanted especially when I would take a duce, while I was most vulnerable.
It also knew I feed it, I was an asset for it in its own territory, we had an alliance.
But unlike Ali I wouldn't jump right into a cage with a lion who is upset with imprisonment that would be totally foolish as they are cornered. I would not do that again with my dog who loves me let alone with a lion, that would be testing God and that isnít a good thing. ...
I'm not clear about how a cougar would consider a human an asset to their territory.
Or how animals vote.
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Old 19th January 2013, 11:49 AM   #4003
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(granting the god premise for a moment) God could have made all animals and humans vegetarian. God didn't. God ensured that there would be 24 hour suffering and missery here on earth. Every day approximately 151,650 people die. Many suffer. Every day countless animals suffer and die.
Indeed. Though probably logically nonsensical...just for the sake of discussion...
if I were omniscient/omnipotent and I knew that if I threw the "big bang" switch, the future life forms would endure wretched suffering and pain due to natural selection...

...there is no way I would proceed if that would be the nature of that universe.
It would break my heart to see such an outcome, and it would be the ultimate act of cruelty. It would make me the most cold blooded barbaric monster imaginable.
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Old 19th January 2013, 11:59 AM   #4004
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... animals vote as a group in the wild and they all follow what the group as a majority wants as soon as 51% agree on what they need, its choice as a group is immediately implemented democratically...
And all this time, I thought you were serious about what you said.
At last, a little levity.
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Old 19th January 2013, 05:04 PM   #4005
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All I know is that animals and children have no fear of me or that they can see that I am about love. That bird would be there and if there were 6 cars in that drive through it would always choose my car out of all the others.
Probably because I was the most generous with it, it recognized generosity.
God blessed the animals as well as us: animals vote as a group in the wild and they all follow what the group as a majority wants as soon as 51% agree on what they need, its choice as a group is immediately implemented democratically.


In bold above: I'll say it again because you are hard headed and can't get this when I say, Animals are intelligent and have a spirit of God, they are as special as we are, they may not be as creative as we are but can think and act remember plus love their own and other animals that aren't the same species. They can recognize intent.

There was one time while camping, spending months recovering from a broken heel that a predator walked by me when it could have killed me easily as I lay in my tent to sleep, it was a cougar at about 200 pounds or better. The cougar made it clear that it was there as it growled next to my tent but accepted me in its territory. I saw it once in daylight near my camp spot. It could have taken me anytime it wanted especially when I would take a duce, while I was most vulnerable.
It also knew I feed it, I was an asset for it in its own territory, we had an alliance.
But unlike Ali I wouldn't jump right into a cage with a lion who is upset with imprisonment that would be totally foolish as they are cornered. I would not do that again with my dog who loves me let alone with a lion, that would be testing God and that isn’t a good thing.

Got any more fairy stories? Does anybody here know what taking a duce means?
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Old 19th January 2013, 05:07 PM   #4006
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Or how animals vote.
With their feet? Paws? Claws?
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Old 19th January 2013, 06:15 PM   #4007
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With their feet? Paws? Claws?
The bigger the paws and claws the bigger the vote they get.
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Old 19th January 2013, 06:21 PM   #4008
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The bigger the paws and claws the bigger the vote they get.
Any idea what duce is and how would you take one?
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Old 19th January 2013, 06:29 PM   #4009
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Eat that stuff once a week and at the end of the year see what hospital you land in!
I eat bacon almost daily. The more protein I eat, the healthier I get.

How does that factor into your delusion?
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Old 19th January 2013, 06:35 PM   #4010
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I eat bacon almost daily. The more protein I eat, the healthier I get.

How does that factor into your delusion?
I eat a bacon sandwich at least once a day. I've been doing it for years. I haven't landed in hospital. Edge fail, yet again. Perhaps that is god's plan?
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Old 19th January 2013, 08:29 PM   #4011
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He means "taking a deuce", i.e. "number two". Taking a crap. When one is really full of crap, one must "take a duce" often.
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All I know is that animals and children have no fear of me or that they can see that I am about love. That bird would be there and if there were 6 cars in that drive through it would always choose my car out of all the others.
Probably because I was the most generous with it, it recognized generosity.
God blessed the animals as well as us: animals vote as a group in the wild and they all follow what the group as a majority wants as soon as 51% agree on what they need, its choice as a group is immediately implemented democratically.


In bold above: I'll say it again because you are hard headed and can't get this when I say, Animals are intelligent and have a spirit of God, they are as special as we are, they may not be as creative as we are but can think and act remember plus love their own and other animals that aren't the same species. They can recognize intent.

There was one time while camping, spending months recovering from a broken heel that a predator walked by me when it could have killed me easily as I lay in my tent to sleep, it was a cougar at about 200 pounds or better. The cougar made it clear that it was there as it growled next to my tent but accepted me in its territory. I saw it once in daylight near my camp spot. It could have taken me anytime it wanted especially when I would take a duce, while I was most vulnerable.
It also knew I feed it, I was an asset for it in its own territory, we had an alliance.
But unlike Ali I wouldn't jump right into a cage with a lion who is upset with imprisonment that would be totally foolish as they are cornered. I would not do that again with my dog who loves me let alone with a lion, that would be testing God and that isnít a good thing.
...and this one time? At band camp?...
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Old 20th January 2013, 05:22 AM   #4013
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He means "taking a deuce", i.e. "number two". Taking a crap. When one is really full of crap, one must "take a duce" often.
I see. Perhaps Edge should post in his first language instead of English.
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I eat bacon almost daily. The more protein I eat, the healthier I get.

How does that factor into your delusion?
Really? and you really believe that your lifestyle is healthy?
I like bacon too but I don't eat it every day or lobster, I change out and don't eat eggs every day either.
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Old 20th January 2013, 08:35 AM   #4016
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Still no god-plans.


I wonder why.



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My magic power is to make spiders do the Moonwalk. There, I've said it, no need for proof and I'm not really interested in winning a million dollars.
There ya go! Proof of God's plan working in your heart and life!

I think you not only just answered the thread, but the whole of Christendom!
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Old 20th January 2013, 09:04 AM   #4018
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The bible's god plans. Even earthquakes, which in no way can people have any influence on are still our fault.


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[i][color="DarkRed"]Really? and you really believe that your lifestyle is healthy?
I like bacon too but I don't eat it every day or lobster, I change out and don't eat eggs every day either. [/color][/i]
You eat McDonald's hamburgers. lol.
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You eat McDonald's hamburgers. lol.
Doesn't he buy those for the heron?
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The bible's god plans. Even earthquakes, which in no way can people have any influence on are still our fault.


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What possible value could religion be on this topic?

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No, it's because children are trusting of everyone and the only animal we see approaching you, you are bribing with food.
Can you prove that statement, because that's not what I have seen?

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Sorry, I don't believe you. That bird would approach every car the same, if no handout was forthcoming it would move on to the next one. I notice that the only picture you've posted is one where you are at a fast food restaurant with a hamburger in your hand where animals that are acclimated to it will approach humans.
As I said it remembered me and my generosity. That bird would come to my car even though there were 6 or more in that drive through and stay on my hood until I parked.
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No, it's because it was scavenging and recognized an easy mark. Go to a national park where humans congregate with food and you'll see the same thing with squirrels and chipmunks.
That is true in many cases, including Bears but I never seen it with Egrets, it is very common among Seagulls and Blackbirds.
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Evidence for any god(s) yet? There hasn't been any so we'll go with the null hypothesis that there aren't any god(s). Your unevidenced assertion is meaningless.

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Some animals, like wolves, follow the leader. There is no vote. You really don't know this? Show me the ballot box for horses.
Sure there are exceptions like Wolves. I posted links to the studies.
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Again, we agree.
Wow... that's a first from you which is a good thing.

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No, you didn't. It may have already eaten, it may have weighed the danger of attacking you on a risk/reward basis and thought it wasn't worth the risk. Again, you really don't know these things?
I made that cats life easier trust me I know what we shared up there.

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Ah, good, you do realize that you don't have any special power over other animals. You were just blowing wind like Ali does.
I never said I had special powers over animals, I said that they can tell who I am, (children and animals love me), and that they are attracted to me. They can tell what is good and evil if you don't believe me check out the study done on crows in Seattle. You ever see a baby that is picked up by a stranger, what does it do most of the time?
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English is forever changing and evolving, and see how the young are talking through text and on the street? Look at how other fish avoid predators they move together in unison in a group, they vote. what's that tell you?
Animals vote with their eyes and posture.http://www.slate.com/articles/health...om_social.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2288530/

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You eat McDonald's hamburgers. lol.
Yes some times but not every day. Maybe I eat there once every three months if even that. Mostly when I am traveling to work and there is nothing at the house I can put in my cooler. Everything in moderation, I follow that.
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What possible value could religion be on this topic?
Answering this:http://www.internationalskeptics.com...19#post8929119
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[i][color="DarkRed"][/color][/i][i][color="darkred"][/color][/i][i][color="darkred"][/color][/i][i][color="darkred"][/color][/i][color="darkred"][/color][color="darkred"][i][/i][/color]

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In case you hadn't noticed, your "special power over animals" nuttery was moved to Abandon All Hope because it is off topic for this thread. I don't recommend reposting moderated material. You might try posting it in Ali's thread where he also claims the god he invented gave him special powers over animals.

Maybe you could try posting some of the plans of the god you invented?
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Even less clear now.
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Your god is really crap at designing planets.

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Everything in moderation, I follow that.
Including reality?
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Why inject a god into studying earthquakes anyway? Yes, our planet has earthquakes. That fact is in no way better understood by associating it with you imaginary friend. Can you associate anything your imaginary friend did with an any earthquakes? If the answer is no (and it is) then your comments are irrelevant to any discussion of the plans of made up beings.
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You ever see a baby that is picked up by a stranger, what does it do most of the time?
It depends on the baby.
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I never said I had special powers over animals, I said that they can tell who I am, (children and animals love me), and that they are attracted to me. They can tell what is good and evil
Children and animals seem to like me too and I'm an atheist. Being evil has nothing to do with if you believe in a god or not. Whether the animals know your name or not is a moot point.
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I'm not trying to godwin the thread but;

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Kids are, Generally speaking, Quite trusting by their nature.
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Old 21st January 2013, 11:11 AM   #4035
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So would the world not be a much more miserable place if all the tragedies we have endured have been inspite of an all powerful being having the reins?
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Old 21st January 2013, 12:32 PM   #4036
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Yes some times but not every day. Maybe I eat there once every three months if even that.
That bird must be really hungry a great deal of the time...
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Old 22nd January 2013, 07:35 AM   #4037
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No, there is no NEED for earthquakes. Earthquakes are caused by plates sticking and then releasing quickly, so your so-called god needs to update his magical powers to stop the sticking.

As for the cold core of Mars, it all has to do with SIZE. Do I need to tell you why?

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Old 22nd January 2013, 08:12 AM   #4038
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Originally Posted by kerikiwi View Post
That bird must be really hungry a great deal of the time...
Probably isn't even the same bird.
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