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Te'o interviewed by Katie Couric
Link here. He acknowledged lying in early December 2012, right after he got the phone call that apparently let him know that the woman he thought was dead was alive. I believe that he lied to his father about the origin of the relationship (this would have happened early on, then his father would have repeated it, if I have it right). If that is all he has done, then he is far more sinned against than sinning IMO.
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What info is left to be revealed, will come sooner than later. He is under the light of NFL security. They dig deeeep! Interviews by talking heads are worthless, when someone has lied so much. IMHO.
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Yeah, if that is the whole truth, he's told a little white lie to his dad, a man of a different generation who may not understand online relationships and today's youth, and then he lied about the relationship to the press a day or two after what must have been a pretty darn big shock. No biggie, but the big issue is whether that is the whole truth, or whether that's just the best story his agent's PR people have managed to come up with.
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Now he says he briefly lied about his girlfriend after he knew she was fake.
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I still think he knew all along. As I think most people that would be involved in an online only relationship. If not directly aware some part of you must be aware that this is likely a hoax. ETA: I see this has been posted already. my bad. |
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I'm still of the opinion that he was duped.
I mean the perpetrator has pretty much admitted as much. |
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After seeing the Katie interview, I'd agree Manti was the victim, and the gay hypothesis extremely unlikely.
I saw the Catfish movie today and it had a lot of interesting things to say about the practice, including in the interview with the filmmakers. Everyone meeting people on the Internet does some catfishing -- in the general sense that almost no one shows 100% who he or she really is. We almost all lie, shade the truth, or hide our faults. |
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balance of probability
On the one hand, a man being fooled by a man pretending to be a woman has precedent. A hoax to snag a Heisman (or whatever) does not, at least to my knowledge. Therefore, the former seems more likely.
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I think this is the defacto Te'o thread so here are the first words from Roniah Tuiasosopo, the man behind the hoax, apparently. I am still not convinced we know everything from Te'o's side.
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So he had a guy who had a very disturbing gay crush on him and fooled him.
Seems pretty open and shut to me at this point. |
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What are you wearing
Travis, Davy Rothbart wrote about something similar (but which also included phone sex) at GQ.
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The victim and the perpetrator are both devotedly Christian, and even prayed together during their phone calls. It's amazing that Te'o ignores the fact that the god of his "faith" never alerted him to the fakery. God works in mysterious ways -- unless you consider that He doesn't exist at all LOL. Then the mystery vanishes. |
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You pretty much proved my point. They (meaning NFL management) have no desire to "out" a new player. Teo will be a top ten draft pick. Unless he's done something illegal, the NFL won't do anything. I personally think he's been honest, if anything, he's ashamed of being duped.
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That's one of the unresolved questions. Did Tuiasosopo do Lennay's voice, or someone else?
Tuiasosopo may have refused to do his Lennay voice for Dr. Phil for psychological reasons. I have a friend who pretends to be a girl sometimes, and he refuses to put on his girl voice for me. However, he would use the voice right next to me with no hesitation while on the phone with a caller expecting his female persona. He can't for me, I guess, because I know him as a guy. Tuiasosopo may be the same way. |
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If Tuiasosopo did not voice Kekua, then the cover hypothesis doesn't wash*.
In the Oprah interview, I didn't sense anything that would confirm the cover hypothesis. It amazes me that Te-o didn't have a girlfriend he could actually meet in person. I'd hypothesize these reasons, and one or all could be true: 1) He's too Christian and wants to avoid carnal sin. 2) He wouldn't be interested in interracial dating , and couldn't find a date-able Polynesian at Notre Dame. 3) He's gay and Tuiasosopo was his secret lover. I'm uncertain how the cover hypothesis connects to whether or not Tuiasosopo supplied the voice of Kekua, who's voice is perfectly female in the voicemails. If it was a cover, why did Tuiasosopo have to pretend, with utter perfection, to be female? *However, the cruel oppressiveness of Mormon culture would explain much about this event, adding to the cover that Te'o could feel it was heterosexual if his lover pretended to be female. |
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Wow.
Hellcat was also a prolific poster -under another name- at the original Cyber Soap Box. I remember reading about her illness, but never knew it turned out to be a hoax. ![]() |
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Te'o and his teammates
ABCs Christina Ng reported, "One of Te'o's teammates who asked not to be identified told ABC News that it was normal for Te'o to pass his phone around to teammates when he was on the line with "Lennay" so they could say hello to her.
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For the Te'o debacle, I'm going to call affinity fraudWP which usually is about financial fraud, but I'm extending it to other con games like Catfishing.
Tuiasosopo (a gay man) defrauded Te'o (a famous straight football player) into a romantic relationship with him by saying, basically, "I'm Christian and Polynesian, you're Christian and Polynesian, so you can trust me."
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Tuiasosopo demonstrated his female voice for Dr. Phil from behind a screen, the tapes were analyzed by experts, and it's confirmed he voiced Kekua, so Te'o was certainly an unknowing Catfishing victim IMO. Sad story for everyone involved. I hope it doesn't hobble with Te'o's football career.
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