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Old 27th March 2012, 03:45 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
He just lost my vote.
I agree as Fraser is best known for what happened on 11 November 1975.
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Old 27th March 2012, 05:55 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
I agree as Fraser is best known for what happened on 11 November 1975.
That's hardly the only thing he did, though.

He also got caught with his pants down in a hotel lobby...
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Old 29th March 2012, 12:36 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Damien Evans View Post
So that's a No then?
That's it. Im hardly in love with Assange, but it would be nice to see evidence of some of the smears thrown about by the likes of trustbutverify.
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Old 29th June 2012, 11:15 AM   #84
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Yes, of course. Without videotape of thegreatman actually saying the things several independent sources say he did, it never happened. And even if it was produced, how do we know it wasn't faked in the grand conspiracy against this poor victim? And even if it wasn't faked, how do really know that Shamir really is a racist scumbag? Maybe he's just a very enthusiastic "anti-Zionist". And maybe there is a conspiracy of Jewish journalists against Assange!
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Yes, of course. Without videotape of thegreatman actually saying the things several independent sources say he did, it never happened. And even if it was produced, how do we know it wasn't faked in the grand conspiracy against this poor victim? And even if it wasn't faked, how do really know that Shamir really is a racist scumbag? Maybe he's just a very enthusiastic "anti-Zionist". And maybe there is a conspiracy of Jewish journalists against Assange!
in short, no you don't have any evidence.
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Old 29th June 2012, 11:54 PM   #86
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Tons of evidence. Tons of denial. No videotape.
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Bit tricky standing for the Senate if you're in Ecuador.
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in short, no you don't have any evidence.
Yup, no evidence at all. Just irrational hatred. Major surprise.
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Old 30th June 2012, 03:07 AM   #89
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More silly denial from the likes of lionking. You type quite well for a guy with his head buried in the sand.
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Asking for evidence is head in sand? Hilarious. Irrational hatred is really amusing.
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Hiding from a mountain of evidence is. Now, can you please point out my "irrational hatred"? I must have missed it, and I certainly don't want that hanging around.
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
Hiding from a mountain of evidence is. Now, can you please point out my "irrational hatred"? I must have missed it, and I certainly don't want that hanging around.
Eh, this was your claim:


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I also hope they consider his own bigoted rant accusing reporters of being part of a Jewish conspiracy against him.
Prove it or withdraw.
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Old 30th June 2012, 03:43 AM   #93
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Can't back up your claim of my "irrational hatred"? Why am I not surprised.

Of course, I'm sure Private Eye editor Ian Hislop fabricated the phone conversation he had with thegreatman where he details Assange's furious accusation of a cabal of Jewish journalists conspiring against him. Why would Hislop invent such a conversation- and report it in such detail? Easy. He must be in on the "conspiracy".

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Yup, no evidence at all. Just irrational hatred. Major surprise.
oh well i googled a bit, and indeed one person claims he said it, Assange denies saying it.
i guess for some people its tons of evidence when one person claims something.

well i guess Aliens are contacting us on planet earth then, Billy Mayers claims so, who would deny that tons of evidence?
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
Can't back up your claim of my "irrational hatred"? Why am I not surprised.

Of course, I'm sure Private Eye editor Ian Hislop fabricated the phone conversation he had with thegreatman where he details Assange's furious accusation of a cabal of Jewish journalists conspiring against him. Why would Hislop invent such a conversation- and report it in such detail? Easy. He must be in on the "conspiracy".

Edited by jhunter1163:  Moderated content removed.
Not enough laughing dogs to do this justice. Private Eye? Without verification? Hilarious. And let's see what the mods do with your last sentence.
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Well worth it!
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Does anyone even use videotape any more?
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Poor Assange. Jules gives Julian something he'd sell his soul for: An eight month election campaign during which he could ponce about getting attention, if only the poor guy could leave his Knightsbridge apartment.
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Old 31st January 2013, 05:26 PM   #99
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The outrage by major parties to Assange's election would be well worth my vote.
Yeah, protest votes always work well. Sending them a maggot will teach those blowflies a lesson they won't soon forget.

Given your boy's love of personal control and power, how long do you think it would take him to morph into a blowfly?
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Yeah, protest votes always work well. Sending them a maggot will teach those blowflies a lesson they won't soon forget.

Given your boy's love of personal control and power, how long do you think it would take him to morph into a blowfly?
You'll have to forgive the Assange fancrew. They're having enough trouble, what with ol' Julie being crucified by a secret cabal of media Jews- just because he chooses to associate with a racist scumbag and then lie about it. I mean, what's wrong with that?
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You'll have to forgive the Assange fancrew. They're having enough trouble, what with ol' Julie being crucified by a secret cabal of media Jews- just because he chooses to associate with a racist scumbag and then lie about it. I mean, what's wrong with that?
Nothing. Nothing at all. Happens every day. Anyone could accidentally associate with a racist scumbag and then be compelled to lie about it.
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Here is Wikileaks' Statement on Israel Shamir http://wlcentral.org/node/1412

"[...] he has worked for the BBC, Haaretz, and many other reputable organizations."
That doesn't mean anything. Swedish journalist Johannes Wahlström wrote an article for Ordfront where he "proved", by means of invented quotes that he falsely attributed to a number of Swedish journalists, that Israel controls the Swedish media. He still gets to work for Sveriges Television (the Swedish counterpart of the BBC - about as reputable as it gets in this small country).

Wahlström is friends with Assange and spokesperson for Wikileaks in Sweden. Incidentally, he's also Israel Shamir's son and posts regularly on his website.
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I wonder what the Assange haters, who have taken over this thread, know about the Australian Senate, how it operates and how people get elected to it? I also wonder if they can stay on topic.
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I wonder what the Assange haters, who have taken over this thread, know about the Australian Senate, how it operates and how people get elected to it? I also wonder if they can stay on topic.
Because ties to known Holocaust deniers and antisemites are never important when someone runs for office.
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Because ties to known Holocaust deniers and antisemites are never important when someone runs for office.
Take it to the other thread. This is about an Australian Senate bid, a topic you seem not to have a grasp of.
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This is about an Australian Senate bid, a topic you seem not to have a grasp of.
I don't. All I know is the Senate is a legislative body and that the senators are elected, which means Assange's political opinions, connections and former activities are all relevant to the thread. Bud don't worry, I won't post in this thread anymore.
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That doesn't mean anything. Swedish journalist Johannes Wahlström wrote an article for Ordfront where he "proved", by means of invented quotes that he falsely attributed to a number of Swedish journalists, that Israel controls the Swedish media. He still gets to work for Sveriges Television (the Swedish counterpart of the BBC - about as reputable as it gets in this small country).

Wahlström is friends with Assange and spokesperson for Wikileaks in Sweden. Incidentally, he's also Israel Shamir's son and posts regularly on his website.

Many news organizations and journalists have had access to the cables WikiLeaks released. Hundreds, if not thousands of people have written about them and those same people may or may not also have views that Julian Assange agrees with. Show me real evidence that Julian Assange himself has expressed any anti-Semitic views. It can't be hearsay evidence, it has to be actual video or audio, or come from his own personal writings. Since you have offered no evidence to back up your insinuation that by knowing Wahlström, Assange is also anti-Semitic, I can only assume that you are just casting aspersions on his character.

I've known several racist and anti-Semitic people through my job, and have had to work with them closely even though I found their personal views repugnant. Does that relationship mean that I sympathize with racists and anti-Semetics or am I allowed to maintain my own separate and distinct views?
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Many news organizations and journalists have had access to the cables WikiLeaks released. Hundreds, if not thousands of people have written about them and those same people may or may not also have views that Julian Assange agrees with. Show me real evidence that Julian Assange himself has expressed any anti-Semitic views. It can't be hearsay evidence, it has to be actual video or audio, or come from his own personal writings. Since you have offered no evidence to back up your insinuation that by knowing Wahlström, Assange is also anti-Semitic, I can only assume that you are just casting aspersions on his character.

I've known several racist and anti-Semitic people through my job, and have had to work with them closely even though I found their personal views repugnant. Does that relationship mean that I sympathize with racists and anti-Semetics or am I allowed to maintain my own separate and distinct views?
Did you choose any of them to be your spokesman?
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You are free to do as I do and vote below the line.
Very principled but futile. You don't really believe they count those nuisance votes made by us (and by us, I includes me)

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I suspect his lawyers have put him up to this cynical ploy; When a person is an elected politician, executing him is going to be diplomatically slightly more difficult.
heh. "elected" you sound like his mother.

If declared he will not nominate. If he nominates he will not make the ballot. If he makes the ballot he will not be elected. If elected he will not claim his seat. If he claims his seat he will not be seated.

Besides Canberra is a lot more open than London. The AFP will grab him before he makes 6 Pindari Crescent, O'Malley, and place him in Villawood pursuant to Australia's Extradition Treaty with Sweden
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Very principled but futile. You don't really believe they count those nuisance votes made by us (and by us, I includes me)
Of course they do. You do realise they could go to jail if they didn't?
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So how is Julian's Senate run going, anyway?
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Since you have offered no evidence to back up your insinuation that by knowing Wahlström [...]
I would respond, but

1) I can only give you evidence in writing that Wahlström was made spokesman for Wikileaks, and given unique access to leaked cables which allowed him to act as a gatekeeper for Wikileaks in Scandinavia. No video.

2) lionking has explained that a) I lack knowledge essentail for posting in this thread and b) we're not supposed discuss Assange in this thread about Assange
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I would respond, but

1) I can only give you evidence in writing that Wahlström was made spokesman for Wikileaks, and given unique access to leaked cables which allowed him to act as a gatekeeper for Wikileaks in Scandinavia. No video.
Do you by any chance have a link to the source for where you read that? I would really appreciate it, thanks!

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we're not supposed discuss Assange in this thread about Assange
There's another thread about Assange. This thread's about Assange's senate bid
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There's another thread about Assange. This thread's about Assange's senate bid
At this point, it's starting to look more like a thread about a thread about Assange's senate bid.

But, okay, what kind of thread about Assange's senate bid do we want it to be?

Do we want it to be about the mechanics of his voter mobilization effort--how many canvassers does he have, what demographics are they targeting, what results have they gotten, etc?

Do we want it to be about the latest poll numbers, and how he ranks day-to-day against the other candidates?

Do we want it to be about his candidacy--what he stands for, what his policy positions are, what political allies he has or might make, etc?

Do we want it to be about the candidate himself--his character, his suitability for office, his past performance as an indicator of future performance, etc?

Go on, you want a thread about Assange's senate bid, talk about Assange's senate bid already. What is there to say?

Or do we just want this to be a thread with two posts in it: An OP announcing his bid, and then a final post sometime later, announcing whether the bid succeeded or failed?












ETA: I mean, Assange must be the first politician in history to get a magical exemption from having considered his personal history, professional activities, and sexual peccadilloes. What kind of wondrous man this Assange must be, that in a thread about his candidacy, we must perforce ignore the candidate's body of work.

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So now it's inappropriate to bring up issues relating to Assange's character, associations and behavior in a thread about his possible run for elected office?

What is permissible; comments on his hairstyle and fashion sense?
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I'm particularly interested in what his policy positions are, and what his agenda would be should he actually be elected. I think he said he's running as a candidate for the WikiLeaks party. Here's a little more info: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...212-2ba43.html
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Originally Posted by Silhouette View Post
I'm particularly interested in what his policy positions are, and what his agenda would be should he actually be elected. I think he said he's running as a candidate for the WikiLeaks party. Here's a little more info: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...212-2ba43.html
Yes, I'm interested in his policies, but equally interesting is the poll in that article. Inaccurate as these sort of polls are, 72% said they would vote for him. Given that primary votes of less than 5% have got candidates elected to the Senate, with preferences of course, I reckon he will win a seat.

Most voters have no idea who they are voting for in the Senate. If Assange can get enough people to cover big voting booths, and can persuade people to vote below the line, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a seat.
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Originally Posted by Silhouette View Post
I'm particularly interested in what his policy positions are, and what his agenda would be should he actually be elected. I think he said he's running as a candidate for the WikiLeaks party. Here's a little more info: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...212-2ba43.html
Good article and interview. Thanks.

There are a hell of a lot of "if"s in this whole idea.

Me, I'm just enjoying the popcorn.
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Old 3rd February 2013, 12:29 PM   #120
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He had a blog, IQ.ORG, and I found this link to it: http://web.archive.org/web/200710200...http://iq.org/ I thought it was an interesting read and it gives some insight into who he is.
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