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Old 15th February 2013, 11:26 PM   #1
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What did Prisoner X do that was so bad?

Prisoner X. Name not known to jailers. Kept in highest security cell in Isreal. Press not allowed to know what he did. Press not allowed to report on Prisoner X story that was so bad. Press not allowed to report on gag that stops them wondering who Prisoner X was or what he did.

What did he do that warranted such extraordinary treatment? That cell he was kept in was created specially for the man who assassinated in Israeli PM. It was also claimed to by suicide proof.
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Old 15th February 2013, 11:59 PM   #2
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No idea. What is your source?
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
No idea. What is your source?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...soner-x-family

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An unnamed source was quoted in the Haaretz newspaper claiming a compensation deal was agreed six weeks ago following the conclusion of an official inquiry into the death of Ben Zygier, who was imprisoned in 2010 under a false identity and who killed himself in Unit 15, a "secret prison" within Ayalon jail near Tel Aviv.

Reports of a secret deal with the family follow claims by Zygier's lawyer that he had protested his innocence on the day before his death in a cell that was supposed to have been monitored 24 hours a day.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
No idea. What is your source?
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2...y-timeline.pdf

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-1...israel/4517074

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-1...ravels/4519928

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Ar...aspx?id=303387

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columni...aspx?id=303331
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Seems to be all over the news:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ri...al-conspiracy/
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Is this "Ben Zygier" who died supposed to have been Prisoner X? If so, then we do know who he was.
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I didn't say we don't know who he was now, we do know. What did he do that was so bad?
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Old 16th February 2013, 01:41 PM   #10
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Prisoner X. Name not known to jailers. Kept in highest security cell in Isreal. Press not allowed to know what he did. Press not allowed to report on Prisoner X story that was so bad. Press not allowed to report on gag that stops them wondering who Prisoner X was or what he did.

What did he do that warranted such extraordinary treatment? That cell he was kept in was created specially for the man who assassinated in Israeli PM. It was also claimed to by suicide proof.
Its quite possible he commited a fairly conventional crime and mossad wanted to make sure he didn't talk to anyone about his more secret work. Otherwise there's always the possibilty he tried leak some information to someone.

Either way he chose to join mossad and that comes with certian implications.
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He uncovered the whole Zionist conspiracy to rule the world.
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I understand his family has only asked for his body to be returned to Australia.
I assume nothing here - but their silence on innocence or otherwise is interesting.
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Its quite possible he commited a fairly conventional crime and mossad wanted to make sure he didn't talk to anyone about his more secret work.
I'm guessing that's probably it. Presumably there are at least a couple of terrorists or foreign operatives incarcerated in any given general prison in Israel; these would have access of some kind or another to the Mossad guy while he was there, so they preferred to mitigate risk by keeping him somewhere nobody had access to him except guards who didn't know who he was.

In any case, it's obvious he wasn't considered as dangerous or likely a suicide risk as whomever that "special cell" was built for, since they didn't post a 24-hour watch on him.
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I'm guessing that's probably it. Presumably there are at least a couple of terrorists or foreign operatives incarcerated in any given general prison in Israel; these would have access of some kind or another to the Mossad guy while he was there,
Unlikely. An Australian isn't exactly going to be able to infiltrate an Arab terrorist group. There might however be a few western governments who would be interested in what he was up to and there are almost certainly elements of the general Israeli prison population who would be prepared to talk to westerners.
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I understand his family has only asked for his body to be returned to Australia.
I assume nothing here - but their silence on innocence or otherwise is interesting.
Not really. If they actually want to get is body back its in their interests not to irritate the Israeli authorities.
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Unlikely. An Australian isn't exactly going to be able to infiltrate an Arab terrorist group.
David Hicks did.
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He uncovered the whole Zionist conspiracy to rule the world.
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David Hicks did.
David Hicks initially joined a Muslim group that was trying to stop the genocide of Muslims by Christians.
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David Hicks did.
David Hicks wasn't Jewish. Intelligence agencies don't generally set out to do things the hard way and mossed has access to a domestic Arab population.

An Australian is however useful if you want someone who can move around the world without attracting attention. Not as good as New Zealand of course but Mossad got burned last time they tried that.
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Unlikely. An Australian isn't exactly going to be able to infiltrate an Arab terrorist group.
That's not what I mean. I mean, the guy was imprisoned for a crime in Israel, which might lead to him being less than a fan of the Israeli government; and, being a non-Israeli, he might be a little easier to convince (by fair means or foul) under those circumstance to divulge various Mossad-y things he may be aware of.
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Not really. If they actually want to get is body back its in their interests not to irritate the Israeli authorities.
Fair point.

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David Hicks initially joined a Muslim group that was trying to stop the genocide of Muslims by Christians.
That's an interesting slant on truth and history.
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In 1999, Hicks travelled to Albania, joining the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a militant organisation of ethnic Albanians fighting against Serbian forces in the Kosovo War, for two months.[25]
You could read about the massacres.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ovo/cleansing/
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My mistake; I misunderstood the 'initially' part.
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Not really. If they actually want to get is body back its in their interests not to irritate the Israeli authorities.
It's been more that two years since he was buried. Is anyone expecting Israeli special forces to raid Springvale Cemetary Melbourne, and dig him up?
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Prisoner X. Name not known to jailers. Kept in highest security cell in Isreal. Press not allowed to know what he did. Press not allowed to report on Prisoner X story that was so bad. Press not allowed to report on gag that stops them wondering who Prisoner X was or what he did.

What did he do that warranted such extraordinary treatment? That cell he was kept in was created specially for the man who assassinated in Israeli PM. It was also claimed to by suicide proof.
Sounds kind of Kafkaesque.
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It's been more that two years since he was buried. Is anyone expecting Israeli special forces to raid Springvale Cemetary Melbourne, and dig him up?
I saw a picture of his tomb stone, IIRC.

Whatever he did was supposed to cause great embarrassment to his family.
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Sounds kind of Kafkaesque.
Or John Le Carre.
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So what did Ben Zygier do that was so bad AUP? Or are we just setting up for another "bash Israel" thread?
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David Hicks initially joined a Muslim group that was trying to stop the genocide of Muslims by Christians.
In other words, fight a holy war.

The way you say it suggests you don't think the activity is abhorrent?
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Prisoner X. Name not known to jailers. Kept in highest security cell in Isreal. Press not allowed to know what he did. Press not allowed to report on Prisoner X story that was so bad. Press not allowed to report on gag that stops them wondering who Prisoner X was or what he did.

What did he do that warranted such extraordinary treatment? That cell he was kept in was created specially for the man who assassinated in Israeli PM. It was also claimed to by suicide proof.
Nothing, of course. The ebil Zionazis suicided him to avoid having all their terrible passport secrets exposed.
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Nothing, of course. The ebil Zionazis suicided him to avoid having all their terrible passport secrets exposed.
This is the third, or is it fourth, completely useless reply to this thread.
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David Hicks initially joined a Muslim group that was trying to stop the genocide of Muslims by Christians.
So where in Afghanistan/Pakistan was this genocide of Muslims by Christians taking place? Odd this genocide didn't make headlines anywhere.

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David Hicks wasn't Jewish.
So?
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You could read about the massacres.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ovo/cleansing/
And yet he found himself in Afghanistan fighting for the people who subjugate, torture and mutilate fellow Muslims, and treat Muslim women like chattel. Lovely guy, a real humanitarian!
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So the message of this thread is Israel is bad (as always) because they arrested one of their own and haven't publicly announced the reason, but an actual Islamic terrorist isn't so bad because one of the early actions of his militant career could be seen as morally neutral from the right point of view, if you take pains to find that exact point of view.

Does that about sum it up?
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And yet he found himself in Afghanistan fighting for the people who subjugate, torture and mutilate fellow Muslims, and treat Muslim women like chattel. Lovely guy, a real humanitarian!
He did, he left the Taliban because he found he realised he had made a mistake, that he was now one of the 'bad guys' and has since renounced Islam. We he actually did as a member of the Taliban is under dispute. His initial action was an attempt to help a desperate group of people being massacred. Which is really nothing to do with this thread.
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“We are not like other countries,” [Netanyahu] added. “We are more threatened, more challenged, and therefore we must maintain proper activity of our security agencies, so I ask everyone —let the security forces carry on their work quietly so we can continue living in security and tranquillity in the state of Israel.”

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The Israeli Parliament is to hold an enquiry.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/israe...218-2elst.html

From that article.

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Meanwhile, a senior Israeli official claimed Australia's intelligence community was ''deeply involved'' in the case and had even interrogated Mr Zygier on suspicion he was spying for the Jewish state.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/israe...#ixzz2LCiBZQOp
When Zygier had become an Israeli citizen, he had also retained his Australian citizenship. This allowed him to travel on Australian or Israeli passports. It also allowed him to obtain passports from Australia for use by Mossad. Mossad would have required that he retain dual citizenship so he could obtain the passports. So he is in effect, betraying Australia, because he is still a citizen of Australia.

What this could mean is that ASIO had already worked out what was going on, because he had asked for several passports in different names, which you would expect to raise some alerts. So ASIO was on to him, and we don't know what they planned to do about this, or expected of him. Mossad then found out that he had been compromised by ASIO, so he is now a traitor to Israel as well. Le Carre couldn't have thought up better double bind. His loyalty to two countries makes him a traitor to both, and winds up with his death.
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Prisoner X. Name not known to jailers. Kept in highest security cell in Isreal. Press not allowed to know what he did. Press not allowed to report on Prisoner X story that was so bad. Press not allowed to report on gag that stops them wondering who Prisoner X was or what he did.

What did he do that warranted such extraordinary treatment? That cell he was kept in was created specially for the man who assassinated in Israeli PM. It was also claimed to by suicide proof.
I'll tell what we do know about him...

► He drove a Lotus Seven series II.
► He was imprisoned on an isolated island (that bore a striking resemblance to a little Welsh village).
►The only means of mechanical transport on the island were bicycles and mini-mokes.
► If he tried to escape, he was chased down by a big rubbery white beach ball.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
“We are not like other countries,” [Netanyahu] added. “We are more threatened, more challenged, and therefore we must maintain proper activity of our security agencies, so I ask everyone —let the security forces carry on their work quietly so we can continue living in security and tranquillity in the state of Israel.”
I seem to recall reading about someone called Adolph Hitler saying something like that back in 1939...

http://www.holocaustresearchproject....hquestion.html
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