Founder of Sea Shepherd Arrested in Germany - Page 24

tsig · 27th February 2013, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Al that will take years

Meanwhile, the unbridled and unnecessary slaughter will continue.

Someone has to act on behalf of the whales otherwise the political efforts would amount to nought anyway.

Why are whales special?

Cleon · 27th February 2013, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

Why are whales special?

They take the short pod to school?

Sam.I.Am · 27th February 2013, 06:14 AM

And apparently the 9th US Federal circuit court of appeals has declared the Sea Shepherds as pirates and has recused the previous judge off of the case as he was showing bias in favor of the Sea Shepherds (as shown by this ruling where several points of law were ignored in the case that was being appealed).

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...ge-4309993.php

NoahFence · 27th February 2013, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

Why are whales special?

Intelligence.

Ryokan · 27th February 2013, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Intelligence.

Intelligence varies from whale species to whale species. The minke whale, for example, has a rather small brain.

Pigs are also very intelligent, but I've not seen anyone suggest we don't eat them for that reason.

philkensebben · 27th February 2013, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Intelligence.

So its morally ok to eat stupid animals? Poor cows, they'll never win.

Metullus · 27th February 2013, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by philkensebben

So its morally ok to eat stupid animals? Poor cows, they'll never win.

It might put some truthers at risk as well...

philkensebben · 27th February 2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Metullus

It might put some truthers at risk as well...

Well quite.

Anyway, wasnt the problem just one page ago, that whales were being hunted in a sanctuary? Now its because they are intelligent? Which is it?

Wildy · 27th February 2013, 08:40 AM

I'd say it's that people are trying to come up with reasons to force their values upon others.

Damien Evans · 27th February 2013, 08:51 AM

Well, this thread has certainly taken a turn for the yellow peril...

Did it get turned back to 1930 while I wasn't looking?

NoahFence · 27th February 2013, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by philkensebben

Well quite.

Anyway, wasnt the problem just one page ago, that whales were being hunted in a sanctuary? Now its because they are intelligent? Which is it?

Two different things, sort of.

1) Why the outrage, period?

2) Why the outrage in the Southern Ocean?

Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them.

Ryokan · 27th February 2013, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Well, this thread has certainly taken a turn for the yellow peril...

Did it get turned back to 1930 while I wasn't looking?

Don't you know? Everything you need to know about the Japanese you can learn from WW2.

tsig · 27th February 2013, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Intelligence.

But not smart enough to realize they're being killed and do something about it?

tsig · 27th February 2013, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Metullus

It might put some truthers at risk as well...

Oh, noes, the low score on the IQ test is soylent green!

tsig · 27th February 2013, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Two different things, sort of.

1) Why the outrage, period?

2) Why the outrage in the Southern Ocean?

Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them.

Then do it.

You are anthropomorphizing the whales.

NoahFence · 27th February 2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

But not smart enough to realize they're being killed and do something about it?

???

tsig · 27th February 2013, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Don't you know? Everything you need to know about the Japanese you can learn from WW2.

Whales is good, Japs are evil. Simples.

We don't kill whales because they're intelligent but a few dead Japanese is OK.

tsig · 27th February 2013, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

???

Ability to recognize danger is a sign of intelligence.

tsig · 27th February 2013, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

They take the short pod to school?

Empress · 27th February 2013, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

They take the short pod to school?

Nom'ed.

NoahFence · 27th February 2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

Ability to recognize danger is a sign of intelligence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsig
But not smart enough to realize they're being killed and do something about it?

I repeat:

???

tsig · 27th February 2013, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Wildy

I'd say it's that people are trying to come up with reasons to force their values upon others.

Maybe they identify with Paul "the Captain" Watson, heroically fighting the enemy and forcing others to comply with his throbbing, big ego.

theprestige · 27th February 2013, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them.

Cool story, bro.

Me? I see the family dynamic in a pairing of crows as something that humans should try to achieve*, but I don't get all butthurt when people use varmint rifles or dynamite to cut down on the crow population.

*Long-term spousal partnerships, an open marriage with a certain amount of suprise sex with outsiders going on, care for the young, making juveniles contributing members of the group, and kicking out young adults to fend for themselves in a large murder.

tsig · 27th February 2013, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

I repeat:

???

Through all the centuries of whaling there's never been any sign that they recognized the danger the whale boats were or that they tried to do anything about it like ram the ships or hide.

NoahFence · 27th February 2013, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

Through all the centuries of whaling there's never been any sign that they recognized the danger the whale boats were or that they tried to do anything about it like ram the ships or hide.

I dunno man. You been on the 9/11 subforum too often? That has to be the single most absurd thing I've read from the pro-whaling side. Ever. Either you actually expect whales to be able to fight back, or you're just trolling. I can't honestly tell.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe they ARE hiding, by going to the most inhospitable place on the planet? (no, I'm not serious) Where is it you'd like them to hide, exactly? Perhaps they swim up the Mississipi, and fan out over the US? Maybe the big ones swim under the ice of Antarctica (breathing be damned) and pop up on the other side many miles away?

I wonder if they'd check with their food source before embarking on their little game of hide-and-seek.

OOH! I know. Transparent Aluminum. There be whales, here captain!

16.5 · 27th February 2013, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

Through all the centuries of whaling there's never been any sign that they recognized the danger the whale boats were or that they tried to do anything about it like ram the ships or hide.

Yes there has been, see the USS Essex v. a Sperm Whale

StankApe · 27th February 2013, 10:45 AM

let's just wipe them all out so the bloody hippies will stop whining about it...

seriously, I care more about not hearing their tripe than the dumb animals.

kill all the whales, smoke the meat, keep africa fed for a few months.

win/win

Noztradamus · 27th February 2013, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsig
Why are whales special?

Intelligence.

Much of the time whales are just reverse lemmings

Metullus · 27th February 2013, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

Oh, noes, the low score on the IQ test is soylent green!

yup. First they came for the whales, and we did nothing. Then they came for the cows, and again we did nothing. Then they came for the truthers...

philkensebben · 27th February 2013, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Two different things, sort of.

1) Why the outrage, period?

2) Why the outrage in the Southern Ocean?

Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them.

But it doesnt prevent you from eating chicken does it? This is a serious question. Do you eat chicken? Chickens have a pretty tight family dynamic dont they? Rooster protects the hens, hens having little chicks following them around, teaching them all about how to hunt for the juiciest bugs and worms. Do you see the family dynamic in that?

NoahFence · 27th February 2013, 11:22 AM

Not at the level of sophistication that whales do.

Wildy · 27th February 2013, 11:28 AM

Considering the way this thread seems to have turned I'm going to offer this:

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smartcooky · 27th February 2013, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

And apparently the 9th US Federal circuit court of appeals has declared the Sea Shepherds as pirates and has recused the previous judge off of the case as he was showing bias in favor of the Sea Shepherds (as shown by this ruling where several points of law were ignored in the case that was being appealed).

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...ge-4309993.php

That's all very nice for them, but this seems like another example of America declaring themselves to be the World Police.

The 9th US Federal circuit court of appeals (or any US court for that matter) has no jurisdiction to make legal pronouncements about anything that happens outside their own borders and territories.

StankApe · 27th February 2013, 11:37 AM

I think you will find if it pertains to US citizens they do.

philkensebben · 27th February 2013, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Not at the level of sophistication that whales do.

So.............. the criteria now for not killing animals for food is that they must demonstrate a sophisticated family dynamic?

In summary, your happy to eat anything that doesnt really care about its children and demonstrates a poor level of intelligence.

Please never visit Manchester, ok?

StankApe · 27th February 2013, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by philkensebben

So.............. the criteria now for not killing animals for food is that they must demonstrate a sophisticated family dynamic?

In summary, your happy to eat anything that doesnt really care about its children and demonstrates a poor level of intelligence.

Please never visit Manchester, ok?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

comedy gold

I may nominate this !

theprestige · 27th February 2013, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Not at the level of sophistication that whales do.

Now I'm curious:

How is 'sophistication' defined, in the context of familial relationships?
Actually, let's back up--how are 'familial relationships' defined in the context of this claim?
Having once defined the terms above, how is 'sophistication' measured?
How are 'levels of sophistication' established?
How do we know what minimum level of sophistication is desirable, or necessary?
What specific level of sophistication are whales at?
How do we know that current examples of whale families are necessary to model whatever level of sophistication we believe are desirable in human families?
If whales didn't exist, or were never properly studied in their familial relationships, would we have any other way of identifying, modeling, and working towards a desirable level of sophistication in human familial relationships?

tl;dr version: Really? We should leave whales alone because we need them to teach us how to be better human families?

Ryokan · 27th February 2013, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

tl;dr version: Really? We should leave whales alone because we need them to teach us how to be better human families?

As I said earlier in the thread, most anti-whaling arguments usually boils down to "whales are magical, dude".

NoahFence · 27th February 2013, 11:47 AM

Fine. They're dumb. I'm sold.

Slaughter the whole lot of 'em until they're extinct, or damn close to it, (because humans have a solid history of knowing when to stop) and then blame it on something besides humans. Watch the food chain crumble and clap! Yay! No more whale watches = less diesel fuel spent. Win/Win!

Ryokan · 27th February 2013, 11:51 AM

No, they're not all dumb. Whales are pretty fascinating and majestic creatures. I'm lucky enough to live in a place where you can see them now and then, practically just outside my window. Mostly killer whales, but they're stunning.

Some of them are pretty intelligent, while others are not. But I'm not sure that's a good argument for not eating them. As I said earlier, pigs are rather clever as well.

Your last arguments there are arguments for making sure the hunting is sustainable, not for ceasing all together.

27th February 2013, 05:56 AM	#922
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27th February 2013, 06:14 AM	#923
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,627	And apparently the 9th US Federal circuit court of appeals has declared the Sea Shepherds as pirates and has recused the previous judge off of the case as he was showing bias in favor of the Sea Shepherds (as shown by this ruling where several points of law were ignored in the case that was being appealed). http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...ge-4309993.php
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27th February 2013, 06:57 AM	#924
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 12,586	Originally Posted by tsig Why are whales special? Intelligence.
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27th February 2013, 07:09 AM	#925
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,122	Originally Posted by NoahFence Intelligence. Intelligence varies from whale species to whale species. The minke whale, for example, has a rather small brain. Pigs are also very intelligent, but I've not seen anyone suggest we don't eat them for that reason.
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27th February 2013, 08:30 AM	#927
Metullus Forum ¾-Wit Pro Tem Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,331	Originally Posted by philkensebben So its morally ok to eat stupid animals? Poor cows, they'll never win. It might put some truthers at risk as well...
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27th February 2013, 05:54 AM	#921
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by smartcooky Al that will take years Meanwhile, the unbridled and unnecessary slaughter will continue. Someone has to act on behalf of the whales otherwise the political efforts would amount to nought anyway. Why are whales special?

27th February 2013, 08:20 AM	#926
philkensebben Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,987	Originally Posted by NoahFence Intelligence. So its morally ok to eat stupid animals? Poor cows, they'll never win.

27th February 2013, 08:38 AM	#928
philkensebben Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,987	Originally Posted by Metullus It might put some truthers at risk as well... Well quite. Anyway, wasnt the problem just one page ago, that whales were being hunted in a sanctuary? Now its because they are intelligent? Which is it?

27th February 2013, 08:40 AM	#929
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,296	I'd say it's that people are trying to come up with reasons to force their values upon others.
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27th February 2013, 08:51 AM	#930
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,468	Well, this thread has certainly taken a turn for the yellow peril... Did it get turned back to 1930 while I wasn't looking?
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27th February 2013, 09:14 AM	#931
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 12,586	Originally Posted by philkensebben Well quite. Anyway, wasnt the problem just one page ago, that whales were being hunted in a sanctuary? Now its because they are intelligent? Which is it? Two different things, sort of. 1) Why the outrage, period? 2) Why the outrage in the Southern Ocean? Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them.
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27th February 2013, 09:24 AM	#932
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,122	Originally Posted by Damien Evans Well, this thread has certainly taken a turn for the yellow peril... Did it get turned back to 1930 while I wasn't looking? Don't you know? Everything you need to know about the Japanese you can learn from WW2.

27th February 2013, 09:27 AM	#933
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by NoahFence Intelligence. But not smart enough to realize they're being killed and do something about it?

27th February 2013, 09:28 AM	#934
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by Metullus It might put some truthers at risk as well... Oh, noes, the low score on the IQ test is soylent green!

27th February 2013, 09:33 AM	#935
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by NoahFence Two different things, sort of. 1) Why the outrage, period? 2) Why the outrage in the Southern Ocean? Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them. Then do it. You are anthropomorphizing the whales.

27th February 2013, 09:34 AM	#936
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 12,586	Originally Posted by tsig But not smart enough to realize they're being killed and do something about it? ???
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27th February 2013, 09:36 AM	#937
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by Ryokan Don't you know? Everything you need to know about the Japanese you can learn from WW2. Whales is good, Japs are evil. Simples. We don't kill whales because they're intelligent but a few dead Japanese is OK.

27th February 2013, 09:40 AM	#938
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by NoahFence ??? Ability to recognize danger is a sign of intelligence.

27th February 2013, 09:41 AM	#939
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by Cleon They take the short pod to school?

27th February 2013, 09:42 AM	#940
Empress Piggish Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,124	Originally Posted by Cleon They take the short pod to school? Nom'ed.
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27th February 2013, 09:53 AM	#941
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 12,586	Originally Posted by tsig Ability to recognize danger is a sign of intelligence. Quote: Originally Posted by tsig But not smart enough to realize they're being killed and do something about it? I repeat: ???
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27th February 2013, 10:07 AM	#942
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by Wildy I'd say it's that people are trying to come up with reasons to force their values upon others. Maybe they identify with Paul "the Captain" Watson, heroically fighting the enemy and forcing others to comply with his throbbing, big ego.

27th February 2013, 10:08 AM	#943
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 13,211	Originally Posted by NoahFence Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them. Cool story, bro. Me? I see the family dynamic in a pairing of crows as something that humans should try to achieve, but I don't get all butthurt when people use varmint rifles or dynamite to cut down on the crow population. Long-term spousal partnerships, an open marriage with a certain amount of suprise sex with outsiders going on, care for the young, making juveniles contributing members of the group, and kicking out young adults to fend for themselves in a large murder.

27th February 2013, 10:14 AM	#944
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35,535	Originally Posted by NoahFence I repeat: ??? Through all the centuries of whaling there's never been any sign that they recognized the danger the whale boats were or that they tried to do anything about it like ram the ships or hide.

27th February 2013, 10:24 AM	#945
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 12,586	Originally Posted by tsig Through all the centuries of whaling there's never been any sign that they recognized the danger the whale boats were or that they tried to do anything about it like ram the ships or hide. I dunno man. You been on the 9/11 subforum too often? That has to be the single most absurd thing I've read from the pro-whaling side. Ever. Either you actually expect whales to be able to fight back, or you're just trolling. I can't honestly tell. Did you ever stop to think that maybe they ARE hiding, by going to the most inhospitable place on the planet? (no, I'm not serious) Where is it you'd like them to hide, exactly? Perhaps they swim up the Mississipi, and fan out over the US? Maybe the big ones swim under the ice of Antarctica (breathing be damned) and pop up on the other side many miles away? I wonder if they'd check with their food source before embarking on their little game of hide-and-seek. OOH! I know. Transparent Aluminum. There be whales, here captain!
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27th February 2013, 10:30 AM	#946
16.5 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,903	Originally Posted by tsig Through all the centuries of whaling there's never been any sign that they recognized the danger the whale boats were or that they tried to do anything about it like ram the ships or hide. Yes there has been, see the USS Essex v. a Sperm Whale
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27th February 2013, 10:45 AM	#947
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	let's just wipe them all out so the bloody hippies will stop whining about it... seriously, I care more about not hearing their tripe than the dumb animals. kill all the whales, smoke the meat, keep africa fed for a few months. win/win
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27th February 2013, 11:13 AM	#948
Noztradamus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,397	Originally Posted by NoahFence Quote: Originally Posted by tsig Why are whales special? Intelligence. Much of the time whales are just reverse lemmings
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27th February 2013, 11:16 AM	#949
Metullus Forum ¾-Wit Pro Tem Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,331	Originally Posted by tsig Oh, noes, the low score on the IQ test is soylent green! yup. First they came for the whales, and we did nothing. Then they came for the cows, and again we did nothing. Then they came for the truthers...
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27th February 2013, 11:18 AM	#950
philkensebben Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,987	Originally Posted by NoahFence Two different things, sort of. 1) Why the outrage, period? 2) Why the outrage in the Southern Ocean? Some people see the family dynamic in a pod of whales and see something that humans should strive to achieve. I'm one of them. But it doesnt prevent you from eating chicken does it? This is a serious question. Do you eat chicken? Chickens have a pretty tight family dynamic dont they? Rooster protects the hens, hens having little chicks following them around, teaching them all about how to hunt for the juiciest bugs and worms. Do you see the family dynamic in that?

27th February 2013, 11:22 AM	#951
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 12,586	Not at the level of sophistication that whales do.
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27th February 2013, 11:35 AM	#953
smartcooky Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 3,144	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am And apparently the 9th US Federal circuit court of appeals has declared the Sea Shepherds as pirates and has recused the previous judge off of the case as he was showing bias in favor of the Sea Shepherds (as shown by this ruling where several points of law were ignored in the case that was being appealed). http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...ge-4309993.php That's all very nice for them, but this seems like another example of America declaring themselves to be the World Police. The 9th US Federal circuit court of appeals (or any US court for that matter) has no jurisdiction to make legal pronouncements about anything that happens outside their own borders and territories.
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27th February 2013, 11:37 AM	#954
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	I think you will find if it pertains to US citizens they do.
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27th February 2013, 11:37 AM	#955
philkensebben Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,987	Originally Posted by NoahFence Not at the level of sophistication that whales do. So.............. the criteria now for not killing animals for food is that they must demonstrate a sophisticated family dynamic? In summary, your happy to eat anything that doesnt really care about its children and demonstrates a poor level of intelligence. Please never visit Manchester, ok?

27th February 2013, 11:38 AM	#956
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	Originally Posted by philkensebben So.............. the criteria now for not killing animals for food is that they must demonstrate a sophisticated family dynamic? In summary, your happy to eat anything that doesnt really care about its children and demonstrates a poor level of intelligence. Please never visit Manchester, ok? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! comedy gold I may nominate this !
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