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DGM said:
So, what did we miss in these milliseconds? Remembering the other channels were still recording.
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Not milliseconds. Microseconds (millionth of a second):

"However, 0.73 and 0.68 seconds before the CVR recording stopped, there were brief (2 microseconds) changes in the electrical system background noise hum recorded by the captainís position CVR channel." -- http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf

"A sound spectrum study of the information recorded by the CVR revealed that twice within the last second of the CVR recording (about 0.73 and 0.68 seconds before the recording stopped), the captain's channel recorded harmonic tones at the 400 Hertz (Hz) frequency, but it did not record other electrical system background noise that it had recorded previously throughout the recording. These other electrical system background noises were recorded on the other CVR channels without interruption." -- http://www.ntsb.org/Wiringcargodoor/home_files/AAR0003.pdf

So there were two very brief, millionth of a second, gaps in the captain's channel recording. How could such brief gaps have been caused other than by manipulation of the recording with audio editing?
 
So there were two very brief, millionth of a second, gaps in the captain's channel recording. How could such brief gaps have been caused other than by manipulation of the recording with audio editing?
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Please demonstrate what equipment is capable of eliminating sound down to 2 millions of a second and what do you believe was omitted during those two millionths of a second that you may feel was important?
 
jargon buster said:
Please demonstrate what equipment is capable of eliminating sound down to 2 millions of a second and what do you believe was omitted during those two millionths of a second that you may feel was important?
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Pro Tools Family -- http://www.avid.com/US/products/family/Pro-Tools

What was omitted was just background noise. Microseconds of it. Please don't try to turn that into a straw man argument.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Pro Tools Family -- http://www.avid.com/US/products/family/Pro-Tools

What was omitted was just background noise. Microseconds of it. Please don't try to turn that into a straw man argument.
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A link to a website isnt going to get you out of this predicament Anders
Please demonstrate what I asked for
Please demonstrate what equipment is capable of eliminating sound down to 2 millions of a second and what do you believe was omitted during those two millionths of a second that you may feel was important?
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What two millionths of a second of background noise do you feel was important to your argument?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Ok, I'll give you a fair chance. Produce evidence of human remains from the TWA 800 disaster.
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http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/...T-800&E=0&P=968493&B=--&T=text/plain&header=1


1. VICTIM RECOVERY, EXAMINATION, AND IDENTIFICATION

The remains of all of the 230 victims aboard the airplane were recovered and identified. The remains were recovered at sea and brought to a temporary morgue at the Coast Guard station at East Moriches, NY. The first 99 bodies were found floating on the surface of the ocean and were recovered by various civilian, military, and police vessels during the night of July 17, 1996, and throughout the day of July 18, 1996. The majority of the remaining victims were recovered by U. S. Navy divers and local police divers during the next 96 days. Contract trawling operations were subsequently utilized for the recovery of additional wreckage and remains until April 30, 1997. The last remains that were identified were recovered by a fishing trawler on May 22, 1997.

Victims were placed in body bags and transported by boat to a temporary morgue at East Moriches, NY, which was staffed by personnel from the Suffolk County Medical Examiner's Office and the Suffolk County Police Depai4ment. Victims were assigned a medical examiner accession number, photographed, and their clothing and possessions were cataloged. Pertinent data on the location victims were found, when available, and the circumstances of the recoveries of the victims were also recorded. The remains were then placed in a refrigerated trailer and transported to the Suffolk County Medical Examiner's Office (ME) in Hauppage, NY.
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Anders Lindman said:
Ok, I'll give you a fair chance. Produce evidence of human remains from the TWA 800 disaster.
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Go ahead and read that first post I quoted. Then tell me you won't just handwave any evidence I or anyone else provides; you'll be lying if you say you won't.
 
TheRedWorm said:
Go ahead and read that first post I quoted. Then tell me you won't just handwave any evidence I or anyone else provides; you'll be lying if you say you won't.
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He will hand wave my evidence away and ask for photos no doubt.
If they are provided he will say they are fakes or post a link to Lockerbie.
 
TheRedWorm said:
Go ahead and read that first post I quoted. Then tell me you won't just handwave any evidence I or anyone else provides; you'll be lying if you say you won't.
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I think I will examine the evidence, if it's from an official source.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Ha! That's not an official website.
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What do you want Anders?
A link to an official government site that was responsible for doctoring a recording device to eliminate two millionths of a second from a single channel of a four channel recording device to cover up why the plane went down?

Why would you accept an official sites word on it?
 
Anders Lindman said:
I think I will examine the evidence, if it's from an official source.
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And let me guess, you get to define official is such a way that you will automatically discount anything that site says, right? Also, you totally weaseled out of actually saying that you'd accept with the words ""I think I will examine..." You will either say you have thought wrong, or say that, on examination, they're faked.
 
I MAY dismiss official sources of TWA 800 victims. But I will probably at least look at it.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I MAY dismiss official sources of TWA 800 victims. But I will probably at least look at it.
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I dont understand your reasoning, you seem to claim there is some government conspiracy regarding the recordings but are happy to look at and maybe accept evidence of human remains provided by the very same source?

Can you please explain why they would lie here but not there?
 
Anders Lindman said:
So there were two very brief, millionth of a second, gaps in the captain's channel recording. How could such brief gaps have been caused other than by manipulation of the recording with audio editing?
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Who cares? You even claim it's less significant. Everything was still there in the other channels. Do you actually have a point? I doubt it.

What could we have we miss? You keep forgetting to answer this obvious question.
 
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jargon buster said:
I dont understand your reasoning, you seem to claim there is some government conspiracy regarding the recordings but are happy to look at and maybe accept evidence of human remains provided by the very same source?

Can you please explain why they would lie here but not there?
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I actually think the gaps in the audio are suspicious. There could of course be some technical detail I have missed however, and then I will have to take back my claim. On the other hand if the evidence for human remains also looks shaky then that would strengthen my conspiracy theory. So it would be interesting to check out the official claims about the victims. I have done some research about that, such as finding a list of supposed victims. From an UNofficial website! That's suspicious because it was used as reference in a Wikipedia article. Is that the best reference they have? :confused:
 
DGM said:
Who cares? You even claim it's less significant. Everything was still there in the other channels. Do you actually have a point? I doubt it.

What could we have we miss? You keep forgetting to answer this obvious question.
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I care! I can't see how such gaps could be a result of anything other than audio fakery. How significant is evidence of audio fakery? Could be hugely significant! Unless the official version is changed and they claim the gaps in the audio are a result of post production in their labs. :(
 
Anders Lindman said:
I actually think the gaps in the audio are suspicious. There could of course be some technical detail I have missed however, and then I will have to take back my claim. On the other hand if the evidence for human remains also looks shaky then that would strengthen my conspiracy theory. So it would be interesting to check out the official claims about the victims. I have done some research about that, such as finding a list of supposed victims. From an UNofficial website! That's suspicious because it was used as reference in a Wikipedia article. Is that the best reference they have? :confused:
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You've already decided that the evidence is shaky. There is no reason to, but you already have.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I actually think the gaps in the audio are suspicious. There could of course be some technical detail I have missed however, and then I will have to take back my claim. On the other hand if the evidence for human remains also looks shaky then that would strengthen my conspiracy theory. So it would be interesting to check out the official claims about the victims. I have done some research about that, such as finding a list of supposed victims. From an UNofficial website! That's suspicious because it was used as reference in a Wikipedia article. Is that the best reference they have? :confused:
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Wait...................I'm detecting microsecond gaps in your message. Are you sure what you are typing is what we see? I think it can't be (the MA prohibits me from explaining why). :rolleyes:
 
jargon buster said:
Nope, no gaps at all, its all there, nothing missing, go and read the report again.
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They didn't use the term 'gaps' but you know what I mean:

"the captain's channel recorded harmonic tones at the 400 Hertz (Hz) frequency, but it did not record other electrical system background noise that it had recorded previously throughout the recording"
 
"A sound spectrum study of the information recorded by the CVR revealed that twice within the last second of the CVR recording (about 0.73 and 0.68 seconds before the recording stopped), the captain's channel recorded harmonic tones at the 400 Hertz (Hz) frequency, but it did not record other electrical system background noise that it had recorded previously throughout the recording. These other electrical system background noises were recorded on the other CVR channels without interruption."
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So what was missing exactly?
 
Anders Lindman said:
They didn't use the term 'gaps' but you know what I mean:

"the captain's channel recorded harmonic tones at the 400 Hertz (Hz) frequency, but it did not record other electrical system background noise that it had recorded previously throughout the recording"
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So, what did the other channels miss?

You do know they all record the same thin, only at different levels.

Should we just chock this one up like all the rest of your arguments?
 
DGM said:
So, what did the other channels miss?

You do know they all record the same thin, only at different levels.

Should we just chock this one up like all the rest of your arguments?
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The other channels recorded the background noise continuously.

Imagine four journalists recording what Barack Obama is saying in a press conference. Then further imagine that when the recordings are examined, one of the journalists has two microsecond gaps in his or her recording while the other journalists have recordings without such gaps. What caused those gaps?
 
Imagine four journalists recording what Barack Obama is saying in a press conference. Then further imagine that when the recordings are examined, one of the journalists has two microsecond gaps in his or her recording while the other journalists have recordings without such gaps. What caused those gaps?
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Stop clutching at straws.
There is nothing missing.
All the noises were recorded.
In your example has something the president said been missed?

I notice you have ignored the human remains evidence now, its been noted though.
 
Anders Lindman said:
The other channels recorded the background noise continuously.

Imagine four journalists recording what Barack Obama is saying in a press conference. Then further imagine that when the recordings are examined, one of the journalists has two microsecond gaps in his or her recording while the other journalists have recordings without such gaps. What caused those gaps?
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So? What are you missing that breaks open this case in a few microseconds? Why are you ignoring the fact they overlap information?
 
jargon buster said:
All the noises were recorded.
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Not continuously by the captain's channel. What exactly the source of that background noise was, from electric circuits or from the sound environment, can be put aside in my argument. It's the very fast "cut out" of that noise in spans of microseconds that I wonder how that could have been caused.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Not continuously by the captain's channel. What exactly the source of that background noise was, from electric circuits or from the sound environment, can be put aside in my argument. It's the very fast "cut out" of that noise in spans of microseconds that I wonder how that could have been caused.
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Why? Could it be because it helps you detract from all the other things you need to ignore?

You are so predictable.:eek:
 
DGM said:
So? What are you missing that breaks open this case in a few microseconds? Why are you ignoring the fact they overlap information?
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I'm missing a plausible explanation for how those microsecond glitches could have been produced. The official documents omit discussing the very fast "switching" that would have been required by the equipment.
 
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