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Old 2nd November 2013, 05:09 PM   #1
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Greenpeace founder now protesting their stance on Golden Rice

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TORONTO - Greenpeace is committing “crimes against humanity” by attempting to block the distribution of genetically-modified Golden Rice which could prevent the deaths of millions of children, said a founder of the environmental organization.

Ecologist Patrick Moore, with Allow Golden Rice Now, said millions of children who consume a starch-rich rice diet die every year from a lack of beta carotene and vitamin A.

Golden Rice, a genetically-modified food, contains the nutritional value to save millions of lives because 70% of the world’s poor depend on rice, he said.

“I left Greenpeace in 1986 when they abandoned logical science,” Moore said at a downtown Toronto protest outside Greenpeace’s headquarters. “Greenpeace is back in the dark ages (opposing modified food). They are targeting Golden Rice even though it targets a human need.”
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/02...on-golden-rice

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Old 2nd November 2013, 05:32 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Hurrah for him. I empathise with this sentiment,
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I left Greenpeace in 1986 when they abandoned logical science.
Up until then I supported these sorts of organisations (I still support the principle) - until I became exposed to their tactics of disinformation.
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"The Green movement is a declaration of death."
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Er, are you quoting LaRouche approvingly?
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
Hurrah for him. I empathise with this sentiment,
Up until then I supported these sorts of organisations (I still support the principle) - until I became exposed to their tactics of disinformation.
What 'tactics of disinformation' are Greenpeace applying to Golden Rice?
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
What 'tactics of disinformation' are Greenpeace applying to Golden Rice?
You're beating a strawman here. My statement was merely that I empathised with more when he said, "I left Greenpeace in 1986 when they abandoned logical science." My reason for doing so was their admission of lying and using disinformation to further their agenda.

But since you ask, besides their pathological blanket condemnation of anything GMO, there is this.

Or. You could read the correction to their disinformation in the article quoted in the OP.
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Not a fan of Greenpeace lately myself, but I'd be interested in where they admitted using disinformation.
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practically everything they publish on GMO

(oops, they probably wouldn't admit to lying about these)
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
practically everything they publish on GMO
Here's what Greenpeace has to say about Golden Rice:-
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1. GE 'Golden' rice has been in development for over 20 years. The tens of millions of dollars invested in GE 'Golden' rice would have been better spent on VAD solutions that are already available and working, such as food supplements, food fortification and home gardening. Greenpeace believes that, by combating VAD with ecologically farmed home and community gardens, sustainable systems are created that provide food security and diversity in a way that is empowering people, protects biodiversity, and ensures a long-lasting solution to VAD and malnutrition.

1. GE 'Golden' rice is highly likely to contaminate non-GE rice, if released to the environment. GE rice contamination will affect traditional, conventional and organic rice farmers because they will lose their markets, especially export markets, which would negatively impact rural livelihoods. If any hazardous, unexpected effects would develop from GE 'Golden' rice, the GE contamination would affect countries where rice is an essential staple and put people and food security at risk.

3. Several populations affected by VAD are expressing concerns about using GE 'Golden' rice as a solution. It is irresponsible to impose GE 'Golden' rice on people if it goes against their religious beliefs, cultural heritage and sense of identity, or simply because they do not want it.
Please point out the disinformation on that page - or it one of the few exceptions to 'practically everything they publish on GMO'?
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Here's what Greenpeace has to say about Golden Rice:-
Please point out the disinformation on that page - or it one of the few exceptions to 'practically everything they publish on GMO'?
#1, 2 & 3
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But, does golden rice exist yet, or not? I first heard it promised in the early nineties...
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@EHocking, the incidents you post are embarrassing to Greenpeace, damaging to their credibility, and imply that they DO use misinformation--but I still do not find any admission that inaccurate statements are part of their strategy. The closest may be the Globe and Mail article, but I would say that adding emotion to a statement is not automatically adding deception.

Perhaps it's splitting hairs, but even against a guilty man, you can't use a confession against him if he hasn't made one.
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Ah.
Is it okay if they're using deliberate misinformation as a tactic, then, instead of a strategy?
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It's not OK at all. I just am being pedantic about the claim that they are openly admitting to it as justifiable.
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But, does golden rice exist yet, or not? I first heard it promised in the early nineties...
Yes, it does. Greenpeace has just made it incredibly hard to get to the people who need it.

There was a video of supposed farmers in Brazil ( I think) destroying a research field of Golden Rice who were actually local protestors. I think I saw that through a thread on this forum.
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On July 15th, Greenpeace put out a press release saying the arctic ice caps would melt by 2030, a claim that [Greenpeace Director] Leipold now admits is false. Rather than own up, and say it was a mistake and he’d never let it happen again, he says Greenpeace is “a pressure group” that has to “emotionalize issues, and we’re not ashamed” of it.
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I gave up on Greenpeace after the showoff at the faroe islands.
They made a great show of the bloody water when butchering pilot whales.
In reality the whaling catch where up an down over centuries, with the Faroese having no impact on population.
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I noticed that too... but (and bear in mind I'm being a bit anal here) an intention to infuse emotion into a topic is not necessarily an intention to deceive.
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Er, are you quoting LaRouche approvingly?
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Indeed, I am.

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Indeed, I am.

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Here's what Greenpeace has to say about Golden Rice:-
Please point out the disinformation on that page - or it one of the few exceptions to 'practically everything they publish on GMO'?
#1: The tens of millions of dollars invested in GE 'Golden' rice would have been better spent on VAD solutions that are already available and working, such as food supplements, food fortification and home gardening. -- Assertion without evidence

#2: If any hazardous, unexpected effects would develop from GE 'Golden' rice, the GE contamination would affect countries where rice is an essential staple and put people and food security at risk. -- "What if??" scaremongering. There is zero evidence of hazardous effects from Golden Rice, and the argument "Well, we do not know yet" applies to absolutely everything. I could just as easily say: "If any hazardous, unexpected effects would develop from food supplements, food fortification and home gardening, the VAD solutions would affect countries where rice is an essential staple and put people and food security at risk."

#3: It is irresponsible to impose GE 'Golden' rice on people if it goes against their religious beliefs, cultural heritage and sense of identity, or simply because they do not want it. -- Orthodox Jews go to ridiculous lengths to ensure their meat products are never contaminated with milk products. If someone wants to go to the same lengths to avoid GE rice, let them.
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@EHocking, the incidents you post are embarrassing to Greenpeace, damaging to their credibility, and imply that they DO use misinformation--but I still do not find any admission that inaccurate statements are part of their strategy.
Well, that was not my claim, but a goal post move by another poster.
Let me quote my first post again to clarify.
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http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/02...on-golden-rice

Good luck to him!
Hurrah for him. I empathise with this sentiment,
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I left Greenpeace in 1986 when they abandoned logical science.
Up until then I supported these sorts of organisations (I still support the principle) - until I became exposed to their tactics of disinformation.
I cited Brent Spar for a reason. This was the first real instance where their abandonment of logical science became clear to me. If you can find the BBC (Horizon?) documentary on the subject you will find a quote from Greenpeace where they admit to lying about the actual pollutants on board BSpar compared to the what they claimed was on board.

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The closest may be the Globe and Mail article, but I would say that adding emotion to a statement is not automatically adding deception.

Perhaps it's splitting hairs, but even against a guilty man, you can't use a confession against him if he hasn't made one.
Indeed. Reread my initial post and you will find that this is the tactic being directed at me in this thread! Ironic, no?
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I suppose a broken clock is right twice a day......
More like a broken record in the peanut gallery, dear lionking.

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While I am not a GMO opponent, I have cooled to Golden Rice. It has started to feel like the Ubuntu Phone, if anyone gets that reference.
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While I am not a GMO opponent, I have cooled to Golden Rice. It has started to feel like the Ubuntu Phone, if anyone gets that reference.
Distinction is that GR is not blocked by the scientific fact that it exists and can do what it was designed to do, but it is being blocked by anti-GMO activists using emotional arguments, not scientific ones, to drum up opposition to its use.

Ubunto doesn't quite work yet.
GR does.
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I noticed that too... but (and bear in mind I'm being a bit anal here) an intention to infuse emotion into a topic is not necessarily an intention to deceive.
Let's refine it a bit, okay? They deceive and maybe they don't intend to deceive. But then they are deceptive without intending to be, or they are deceptive while intending to be. Take your pick.
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With their history and the fact that they've admitted to it a number of times (the arctic ice disappearing by 2030 is only their latest, Brent spar was an early one) they deliberately lie to achieve their agenda.

This pretence about them not intending to deceive smacks of denial, IMO.
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Er, are you quoting LaRouche approvingly?
Meh, even lunatic felons can be right on rare occasions. Though this was part of his "wise use" attempt to gain support from the logging, ranching, and mining groups in the '90s.
IIRC didn't he consider Greenpeace to be part of the global Satanic conspiracy?

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Here's what Greenpeace has to say about Golden Rice:-
Please point out the disinformation on that page - or it one of the few exceptions to 'practically everything they publish on GMO'?
All three of those points are unsupported, evidenced assertions.
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Yes, it does. Greenpeace has just made it incredibly hard to get to the people who need it.

There was a video of supposed farmers in Brazil ( I think) destroying a research field of Golden Rice who were actually local protestors. I think I saw that through a thread on this forum.
Nobody needs Golden Rice.
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Nobody needs Golden Rice.
Easy thing to say when you don't have to worry about your next meal.
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Nobody needs Golden Rice.
Just like no one needs penicillin.
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Old 4th November 2013, 04:49 AM   #39
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
With their history and the fact that they've admitted to it a number of times (the arctic ice disappearing by 2030 is only their latest, Brent spar was an early one) they deliberately lie to achieve their agenda.

This pretence about them not intending to deceive smacks of denial, IMO.
Still focusing on the wrong part of the question...

A) Whether they lie for their agenda
B) Whether they've admitted lying
C) Whether they assert that lying for their agenda is intentional and justifiable.

A is pretty clear.
B is pretty clear.
It's C where I'm still shaky. It's a very strong statement and all I've seen so far is hints, and however likely it is, I'm not willing to consider them the same thing
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Originally Posted by JihadJane View Post
Nobody needs Golden Rice.
Exactly green peace knows this is a way to control the population growth in africa and other such places.
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