Cluesforum - How far will they go exactly

hgus said:
Ah finally a good old Maoist apology. "I was wrong, You were right, You are always right. I am a worm who humiliate myself before Your righteous feet." But in Maoist China it was followed by "please don't torture and kill me. Here it is followed by "Please let me post on your forum. I promise that I will not deviate from the forum-line." Wonderful! This is how the Maoist and Communistic parties worked in the sixties and seventies.
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Nor doubt or question actions of the leaders.

In a recent development, its been claimed elsewhere that Hytten is
" is a know drug addict and small time offender in Italy,he has police file for taking of controlled substances"
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youtube.com/watch?v=UGyW-0MeBOU

Normally such a comment could be disregarded for the typing mistakes. Yet the claimant offers a copy of the police record to anyone who asks.

Simon then falls strangely silent, and nothing more on the forum is said about it.:rolleyes:
cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=802&start=450#p2388599
 
It wouldn't be the first time his followers dont question. Prime example would be the disclosure of his family connection with Osama Bin Laden. Was only after other twoofer fractions jumped on this, Shacks 'came clean' and then denounced his brother.

It's strange no-one in twoofer world mentioned it was Simon's job at the time. It was Shacks was responsibility to get sponsors and the funding for Mario Hytten's racing career. Shurely that means Simon was behind it all not Matio?

It is no secret that Shack mingled with the Saudi elite and the ARab mega rich partaking in their hospitality. In a 2001 interview Shack stated that Bush was a 'terrorist'. He openly criticises American politics and the Bush Administration.
Simon's taste in music and his Social Service band reflects Arabic influences.

Shacks own father - an ex United Nations Chief - was mixed in political controversy, denounced and quietly shipped elsewhere.

We deplore the manner in which Hytten has publicly taken a stand against Dolci" it said, then fully washing its hands of Hytten, whose work with Dolci the Swedish group had originally sponsored, it declared: "We will in no way participate in Hytten plans, but will continue to support Danilo Dolci in his tireless campaign to release Sicily from the grip and poverty and a powerful Mafia.
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Now if I was a CTer, I could dead easy come up with a plausible theory explaining the reason behind cluesforum. :p

But yay the clueless soak up everything Simon says. They cant wait to kiss arse and don't blink an eye at his woo and lies. Who are the sheeple again? :confused:


www.omero.it/archivi/simonshack.htm
http://letsrollforums.com/showpost.php?p=232118&postcount=21
 
LTP said:
Nor doubt or question actions of the leaders.

In a recent development, its been claimed elsewhere that Hytten is


youtube.com/watch?v=UGyW-0MeBOU

Normally such a comment could be disregarded for the typing mistakes. Yet the claimant offers a copy of the police record to anyone who asks.

Simon then falls strangely silent, and nothing more on the forum is said about it.:rolleyes:
cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=802&start=450#p2388599
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LTP it was me who wrote that on a YouTube video,I was merely stirring and trying to spread rumors for fun,so far as I know its not true. Sorry.
 
Azrael 5 said:
LTP it was me who wrote that on a YouTube video,I was merely stirring and trying to spread rumors for fun,so far as I know its not true. Sorry.
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Ya troll :rolleyes:
Shack evaded it and the clueless went quiet :D

Content of 2nd post stands.
 
LTP said:
Ya troll :rolleyes:
Shack evaded it and the clueless went quiet :D

Content of 2nd post stands.
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It gives them something to write about,and I continue to be a thorn in their side a year on from being banned off there. Just little contributions to their delusions.:D
 
It is hard to tell what is real and what is not when you don't come out of the basement.
 
I heard that some people at the Cluesforum don't even believe satellites are real! :eek:

If it's trolling it's not even funny. You can see satellites moving across the night sky with your naked eyes. When changing the direction of a satellite dish, the strength of the signal changes. GPS works in the middle of the Pacific ocean.

How can they make such a blatantly false claim like denying the existence of satellites? :confused:
 
Anders Lindman said:
I heard that some people at the Cluesforum don't even believe satellites are real! :eek:

If it's trolling it's not even funny. You can see satellites moving across the night sky with your naked eyes. When changing the direction of a satellite dish, the strength of the signal changes. GPS works in the middle of the Pacific ocean.

How can they make such a blatantly false claim like denying the existence of satellites? :confused:
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Because, like you, they invent anything to support their fantasy du jour.

I find it fascinating that you are unaware that you do exactly what they do.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I heard that some people at the Cluesforum don't even believe satellites are real! :eek:

If it's trolling it's not even funny. You can see satellites moving across the night sky with your naked eyes. When changing the direction of a satellite dish, the strength of the signal changes. GPS works in the middle of the Pacific ocean.

How can they make such a blatantly false claim like denying the existence of satellites? :confused:
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You should join their forum for they are just like you...if a bit more classy and down to earth.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Even my wildest conspiracy speculations aren't anything near that claim. To believe all satellites are fake is just ridiculous.
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Equally ridiculous, just a different flavour. What you are arguing is akin to arguing over if revolvers are more deadly with pearl handles or wood.
 
Then how do Cluesforum's fantasies compare with those who believe there are NO conspiracies at all? Those who trust the government and other authorities totally are a bit naive, but at least they don't create their own fantasy beliefs. For example, J. Edgar Hoover said that the claim that there was an American mafia was just a conspiracy theory. And then later it turned out that there actually was a mafia operating within the U.S. So debunkers at that time who trusted the authority of Hoover were wrong, and were a bit naive.
 
Wow, they went so far that even Anders found the limits of his own nonsense? That's pretty *********** far.
 
Horatius said:
Wow, they went so far that even Anders found the limits of his own nonsense? That's pretty *********** far.
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I actually think September Clues was, and still is in a way, a good documentary. But then even the filmmaker himself, a guy named Simon, says this:

"Quite frankly, it is becoming very hard for me to believe that people still believe in satellites - but I guess that's just me! In any case, I feel that I have evolved since this very thread started in August 2011. I sure wasn't quite ready to accept the non-existence of satellites back then." -- http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1070&start=585

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I must have misread.
Did Anders call utter BS out for being utter BS?

What's happening to this world?
 
ComfySlippers said:
I must have misread.
Did Anders call utter BS out for being utter BS?

What's happening to this world?
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One of AL's techniques of trolling is to automatically take a contrary position, on any subject especially those he doesn't know anything about. It's his style as noted above, Cluesforum holds similar ideas to himself with the same level of evidence.....
 
Tomtomkent said:
Equally ridiculous, just a different flavour. What you are arguing is akin to arguing over if revolvers are more deadly with pearl handles or wood.
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Wow. If Anders is their voice of reason, these people at Cluesforum must be complete football bats.
 
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1070&start=630#p2389006

I think this absolutely typifies all that Shack and his attendant morons have to offer: nothing but a rolleyes smiley and "yeah, right".

Evil Edna posts this from a NASA site:

How Do Objects Stay in Orbit?
...
Orbital velocity is the speed needed to stay in orbit. At an altitude of 150 miles (242 kilometers) above Earth, orbital velocity is about 17,000 miles per hour. Satellites that have higher orbits have slower orbital velocities.

Where Do Satellites Orbit Earth?
The International Space Station is in low Earth orbit, or LEO. LEO is the first 100 to 200 miles (161 to 322 km) of space. LEO is the easiest orbit to get to and stay in. One complete orbit in LEO takes about 90 minutes.
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and posts this as his/her/its reasoned and considered response:

That mindless drivel is targeted at children (ages 5 to 8, maybe?!)

NA$A's garbage is now poisoning the official school curriculum for Northern Ireland, with the introduction of a new GCSE (secondary school qualification) in "Space Science". :rolleyes:

http://www.u.tv/News/GCSE-space-qualifi ... 6984991c27

The "expert" promoting this examination in Space Claptrap is a clown called Dr Leslie Orr. Orr spent 19 years at Nortel Networks, a "technology partner" with Hughes in the ongoing "ANIK" satellite scam. Dr Orr is/was also on the advisory committee of Ofcom (UK telecoms regulator) where his expertise in comical space wizardry (PhD in "Aerospace Engineering") must bring a giggle to the boardroom :lol:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/leslie-orr/0/579/a8
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No attempt to provide any kind of reasoned opposing argument, no sources to back anything up, just pathetic, snide, uneducated drivel and some unaccountable and uncalled for character assassination.

These are people leading the fight against our oppressive overlords? Pass me the blue and white t-shirt, I know who I'm siding with.
 
threadworm said:
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1070&start=630#p2389006

I think this absolutely typifies all that Shack and his attendant morons have to offer: nothing but a rolleyes smiley and "yeah, right".

Evil Edna posts this from a NASA site:



and posts this as his/her/its reasoned and considered response:



No attempt to provide any kind of reasoned opposing argument, no sources to back anything up, just pathetic, snide, uneducated drivel and some unaccountable and uncalled for character assassination.

These are people leading the fight against our oppressive overlords? Pass me the blue and white t-shirt, I know who I'm siding with.
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Same with every topic,the only counter evidence ever offered is-as you say-the blue and white t shirt! They decide its fake then it must be.:rolleyes:
 
Argumentum ad smiley again! That name needs to become some kind of official term in the skeptic community, like the Galileo gambit and the Gish Gallop.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Then how do Cluesforum's fantasies compare with those who believe there are NO conspiracies at all?
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They both support the same paradigm. One states there are no conspiracies, our masters are in control so go back to work, whereas the other states it's all fake therefore our masters are far to powerful to overthrow therefore you might as well just go back to work.
 
yankee451 said:
They both support the same paradigm. One states there are no conspiracies, our masters are in control so go back to work, whereas the other states it's all fake therefore our masters are far to powerful to overthrow therefore you might as well just go back to work.
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As usual, your argument is doing it wrong!:jaw-dropp
 
yankee451 said:
They both support the same paradigm. One states there are no conspiracies, our masters are in control so go back to work, whereas the other states it's all fake therefore our masters are far to powerful to overthrow therefore you might as well just go back to work.
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par·a·digm (pr-dm, -dm)
n.
1. One that serves as a pattern or model.
2. A set or list of all the inflectional forms of a word or of one of its grammatical categories: the paradigm of an irregular verb.
3. A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline.

So, no.
 
From a 9/11 thread on Cluesforum:

"I find it precious that the name of the interviewed is "Barbara Crowley", given the rumors that want Barbara Bush senior to be the illegitimate daughter of Aleister Crowley. The moment you look up this person on google to see if someone with that name is really part of the "NYU medical center", you get sucked up into the deepest well of internet conspiracy (the Bush family)."


I'm so glad I wasn't born as stupid as this guy.
 
MinimumWageShill said:
Most of us know about the weird and wonderful Apollo and space theories on Cluesforum hence their 'cluelessforum' knickname. But having browsed on there just now it appears that even 'My Lai', 'Me Lie' as they see it and also the Kim Phuc photograph does not escape their expert analysis.

This is along with all the other VicSims that they are quite happy to call out.

My question is that is there any point where their nonsense will stop and a little sympathy let alone empathy creep in?
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I am just as critical of the September Clueless as the next guy, but where does sympathy and empathy come into play when investigating criminal acts? Wives often grieve over the loss of their husbands, but their grief doesn't stop detectives from keeping them at the top of the list of suspects when their husbands are murdered.

Be real, people.
 
yankee451 said:
I am just as critical of the September Clueless as the next guy, but where does sympathy and empathy come into play when investigating criminal acts? Wives often grieve over the loss of their husbands, but their grief doesn't stop detectives from keeping them at the top of the list of suspects when their husbands are murdered.

Be real, people.
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If those idiots treated their victims as real people, instead of parading their ignorance like a badge of honour while they dispute their existence you might have a point.

Detectives might well keep spouses as suspects, but when it is abundantly clear that there is no evidence whatsoever that there has been a crime let alone implicate them they then move on.

The morons at clueless start from the premise that they are right. They then decide what they are right about, ignore anything that proves them wrong, ban or ridicule anyone who points out they are wrong, and delete anything that conclusively proves they've just made complete fools of themselves.

I had to laugh at this moron today:

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1226#p2389088

gettin all angry at a beer made out of lunar meteorite and somehow thinking this means it's an Apollo sample, despite it saying nothing about Apollo:

Trillions of tax-payer dollars were spent so that precious moon dust could be ******-away into Delaware urinals. Yeah, right!
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I tried registering an account on their forum not heard a thing.....

Must be a conspiracy
 
Dcdrac said:
I tried registering an account on their forum not heard a thing.....

Must be a conspiracy
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Have you put the obligatory introductory message on the site explaining who you are and why you think you should be allowed to post there? It's in the T&C's somewhere, to try and keep out government agents, trolls, fake people and people who would point out how stupid they are. Mostly the latter.
 
yankee451 said:
I am just as critical of the September Clueless as the next guy, but where does sympathy and empathy come into play when investigating criminal acts? Wives often grieve over the loss of their husbands, but their grief doesn't stop detectives from keeping them at the top of the list of suspects when their husbands are murdered.

Be real, people.
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I think sympathy and empathy come to play when you call relatives of nearly 3,000 people liars because you say they didn't exist, or parents of murdered children in schools liars, because again you have decided they didn't exist and that they are all 'Vicsims' and you show pictures of the victims against pictures of people you claim are the victims who you claim are really still alive.

Denying Apollo and satellites is idiot in my opinion, treading on peoples grief is offensive.

Just my view.
 
Ah, the Clueless: Insensitive Jerkasses or Painfully-Misguided Activists? debate raises its head once again. I doubt we'll ever settle it one way or the other. However, the main thing that rubs me the wrong way about their character isn't really the subjects they discuss, but the way they go about it. Okay, they aren't going to be sad if they think that it's all a hoax, but neither are they angry, or even particularly concerned about it at all. All they do is arrogantly sneer about how stupid everyone else is for falling for these hoaxes and pat themselves on the back for being geniuses who can see through them. It's one big vanity exercise.
 
yankee451 said:
Wives often grieve over the loss of their husbands, but their grief doesn't stop detectives from keeping them at the top of the list of suspects when their husbands are murdered.
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I would say the analogous situation would be that the detectives laugh at the "wife" and tell her to stop pretending she ever actually HAD a husband because they know he's really just a "vicsim", and the bloody body on the floor is just an actor (kick, kick). Assorted smiley faces.
 
hoi.polloi is starting to doubt his own existence, and that of other members:

dblitz, are you in Oz at this moment and for the foreseeable future? Would you want to try to meet? Do a "sniff test" on one another and see if we can confirm for ourselves that we are indeed real and legit?

I feel like not enough CluesForum is based in reality sometimes, and it would be nice to try meeting some members now and then. If yes, send me a PM.
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Still, he did get one thing right - "I feel like not enough CluesForum is based in reality sometimes"

Linkety: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=485&start=2550

Norm
 
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Maybe it is time to join up and espouse the virtues of Solipsism. That seems to be where hoi.polloi is headed.

I am not sure if it is the actual intent of the growing size of the completely fabricated world they have grafted onto the real world like a cybernetic conjoined twin [snipped a long rambling post about the Matrix]
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http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1700

Norm
 
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Nothing gets me going in the morning like a double dose of crazy provided by Cluesforum and Freerepublic. They are similar in many ways, except Clues people seem harmless, while every post at freep is dripping with racism and bigotry.
 
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