Sarah Palin: I told you so!

Surprise,the more hard line lefties here are setting the groundworks to supporting Putin....
 
Doubt said:
Then we have the example of the of worst judgement from a Republican in the last 50 years:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1392791.stm
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Not so fast!

I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
Winston Churchill famously opined that Russia seemed like a mystery, but could actually be trusted to always act in its own self-interest. I, too, have found Putin to be very straightforward and trustworthy, just as Churchill says.

I was able to get a sense of his soul.
Yeah, it's a Russian soul. See Churchill, above.

He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country
Everything Putin has done, up to and including the events of this week, is completely consistent with this view of the man. And with Churchill's view of Russia, which I may have already mentioned.

and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue
I admit, this stretches the bounds of credulity a bit, unless Putin said "I am deeply committed to my country and the best interests of my country."

and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship
And we all know what Obama has made of that beginning.

Put it another way: This outcome was so obvious that even a dunce like Palin was able to predict it. Yet somehow Obama missed it. But what could he have done, anyway? Send Hillary Clinton to greet the Russians with an "overload" button in a display of Obama's much-vaunted campaign-trail "smart power" rhetoric?

I think Putin figured he traded one buffoon for another, and has been making hay while the sun shines ever since. Good luck, Ukraine--the best American statesman you ever had on your side was Sarah Palin. With friends like that, it's no surprise you'd rather rush into the arms of your enemies.
 
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theprestige said:
Not so fast!

I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
Winston Churchill famously opined that Russia seemed like a mystery, but could actually be trusted to always act in its own self-interest. I, too, have found Putin to be very straightforward and trustworthy, just as Churchill says.
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Straightforward? Like when he lies and says those are not Russian troops in the Ukraine? His actions are holding his country back.

I was able to get a sense of his soul.
Yeah, it's a Russian soul. See Churchill, above.
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Funny, some of my friends in Russia are fans of Married with Children. When I asked them why they said that Al Bundy has a Russian soul. Having spent time there I will agree with their viewpoint rather than yours. Putin does have a version of a Russian soul, but it is the soul of a Russian gangster.

He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country
Everything Putin has done, up to and including the events of this week, is completely consistent with this view of the man. And with Churchill's view of Russia, which I may have already mentioned.
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Nope. If he was interested in putting his countries best interests forward he would be locking up his buddies that stole money in the construction projects for the Olympics.

and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue
I admit, this stretches the bounds of credulity a bit, unless Putin said "I am deeply committed to my country and the best interests of my country."

and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship
And we all know what Obama has made of that beginning.

Put it another way: This outcome was so obvious that even a dunce like Palin was able to predict it. Yet somehow Obama missed it. But what could he have done, anyway? Send Hillary Clinton to greet the Russians with an "overload" button in a display of Obama's much-vaunted campaign-trail "smart power" rhetoric?
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I do have a habit of following events in Russia and the US military. You seem to not have noticed that there was no beginning for Obama to follow. Conflict over ABM systems in Europe had already started by the time Bush left office. And then there was the actions against Georgia. The reality is that Russia became more belligerent as their economy improved. Who is in the White House had little to do with the trajectory of the relationship. There was no constructive relationship.
 
theprestige said:
Not so fast!

I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
Winston Churchill famously opined that Russia seemed like a mystery, but could actually be trusted to always act in its own self-interest. I, too, have found Putin to be very straightforward and trustworthy, just as Churchill says.

I was able to get a sense of his soul.
Yeah, it's a Russian soul. See Churchill, above.

He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country
Everything Putin has done, up to and including the events of this week, is completely consistent with this view of the man. And with Churchill's view of Russia, which I may have already mentioned.

and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue
I admit, this stretches the bounds of credulity a bit, unless Putin said "I am deeply committed to my country and the best interests of my country."

and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship
And we all know what Obama has made of that beginning.

Put it another way: This outcome was so obvious that even a dunce like Palin was able to predict it. Yet somehow Obama missed it. But what could he have done, anyway? Send Hillary Clinton to greet the Russians with an "overload" button in a display of Obama's much-vaunted campaign-trail "smart power" rhetoric?

I think Putin figured he traded one buffoon for another, and has been making hay while the sun shines ever since. Good luck, Ukraine--the best American statesman you ever had on your side was Sarah Palin. With friends like that, it's no surprise you'd rather rush into the arms of your enemies.
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Say, what? Just where and what is evidence of that very constructive relationship that the shrub commenced for us.

Let's see? There was the joint trip to the space station. That commenced on Nov 2, 2000 under Clinton. And that was the positive part. After the astronauts and cosmonauts found out Bush was elected, they stayed up there 'til March. :p Many of us wished we could have joined them.

And then four meaningless treaty-support type dealies. Which of those was the groundwork for a dialogue with Russia and Putin? Or do you want to propose, as the American Spectator has, that Obama doesn't scare Putin like Georgie did? http://spectator.org/articles/57989/why-doesnt-obama-call-him-pootie-putt

Yes, that's the thrust of the article. Bush, very maturely, referred to Putin and Pootie Putt. Obama should do the same. I actually thought the Pootie Putt thing was like Ferrell's "strategery"
 
so Palin said something along the lines that Russia could be an aggressive power? gee, that's as profound as noting that Canada is kind of nice. it does not make her the 2d coming of George Kennan.
 
Myron Proudfoot said:
so Palin said something along the lines that Russia could be an aggressive power? gee, that's as profound as noting that Canada is kind of nice. it does not make her the 2d coming of George Kennan.
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If Palin's statement was pedestrian and obvious, what does that say about those who denounced it as being ignorant and wrong? Doesn't that make their mistake even worse?

It's one thing to not grasp differential calculus, but you've got to be pretty stupid to fail at arithmetic.
 
Am I alone in thinking Palin and Putin would make such a cute couple? I'd watch the hell out of a Xmas holiday special if they did one. They'd both need to learn English, though.
 
Ziggurat said:
If Palin's statement was pedestrian and obvious, what does that say about those who denounced it as being ignorant and wrong? Doesn't that make their mistake even worse?

It's one thing to not grasp differential calculus, but you've got to be pretty stupid to fail at arithmetic.
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Who, specifically, denounced that specific statement?
 
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Ziggurat said:
If Palin's statement was pedestrian and obvious, what does that say about those who denounced it as being ignorant and wrong? Doesn't that make their mistake even worse?

It's one thing to not grasp differential calculus, but you've got to be pretty stupid to fail at arithmetic.
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Maybe, if she'd said something like "Six years from now, after electing Obama twice, a relatively bloodless coup by the Ukranian people and parliament will drive a pro-Russian President into exile prompting him to move about a brigade into Crimea and attempt to secure military installations" instead of what she did, she might have more reason to do the I Told You So dance.
 
It's fun watching Republicans wet their pants over a single Palin comment years ago. I wonder what those same guys say about CTist's who come close on one claim years later.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
Maybe, if she'd said something like "Six years from now, after electing Obama twice, a relatively bloodless coup by the Ukranian people and parliament will drive a pro-Russian President into exile prompting him to move about a brigade into Crimea and attempt to secure military installations" instead of what she did, she might have more reason to do the I Told You So dance.
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Palin: "I'm sensing....something about T. Or maybe R. Near water!"
 
DavidJames said:
It's fun watching Republicans wet their pants over a single Palin comment years ago. I wonder what those same guys say about CTist's who come close on one claim years later.
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its the same kind of cheering that Sylvia Browne fans would have done if any of her predictions came true
 
SezMe said:
Give me a break. You really think Palin had such foreign policy chops that she foresaw the current Ukraine problem six years ago? She hypothesized a scenario just as a gotcha political campaign gambit, nothing more.
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I doubt she hypothesized one bit of it. She recited a line fed to her by a handler.
 
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