When proved wrong you just go on to create the next one.
If anyone ever offered any evidence, and it showed something, I have no trouble changing my mind. But the irony is, that instead of providing evidence, there are just claims, lies, insinuations and insulting nonsense. None of which is convincing. You have to provide scientific evidence to be effective.
Buckaroo said:
State succinctly what your entire argument is, please.
March 22 2013
Exactly. Rather than
a blanket unscientific insult, like we see over and over, present your argument, your evidence, and act in a scientific manner. Like I did when I found the claims that "there is no theory" (and worse) so absurd, it borders on trolling. Or the original AGW theory conflict, which of course only got worse over time.
Buckaroo said:
R-j, putting aside for the moment that your claim that winters are getting colder is demonstrably false, you seem to believe that you are making some kind of point with it.
March 22 2013
I provided an abundance of
scientific evidence, like posting a link to NASA, where
James Hansen is discussing his theoretical ideas to explain the colder winters.
Or links to
papers in respected science journals, papers by
actual climate researchers, that clearly stated facts, there is no shortage of scientific evidence. The responses ranged from "winters are warming" to "global warming is causing colder winters", as well as the most popular, "I don't understand".
Buckaroo said:
You've failed to communicate what conclusion about AGW you are drawing from your erroneous belief about colder winters. This is why we say your posts are incoherent:
March 22 2013
Quite the contrary, my points are both easy to grasp, and supported by the evidence. What isn't supported, and is an example of woo woo talk, is claims like "You've failed to communicate what conclusion about AGW", or "You were shown to be wrong". Rather than claiming something, provide your evidence, make an argument.
I was direct and clear, and provided abundant sources for why I said something. For example
March 19 2013
r-j said:
The unscientific continues.
Of course the science is being ignored. By the deniers.
That harsh winter that we are experiencing, it is not proof that global warming is not happening, but rather serves as proof that it is indeed happening, and even a bit faster than we might like to think.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Global-Warming-Cold-Winters.html
Climate change brings colder winters to Europe and Asia
The world is warming, so why have winters been getting colder across much of Eurasia?
http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/52135
Cold Winters Driven By Global Warming
http://news.discovery.com/earth/cold-winter-snow-weather-global-warming-101222.htm
Cold Winters Caused by Warmer Summers, Research Suggests
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9084487#post9084487
Warmer summers cause colder winters, scientists say
Looking temperature and snow and ice data, researchers found that higher summer temperatures in the Arctic meant more moisture in the air, leading to more snowfall.
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/cl...r-summers-cause-colder-winters-scientists-say
More snow, especially early in the fall, has a feedback effect where the white snow reflects the sun, causing faster cooling, which leads to more snow, and the snow doesn't melt, so we get this amplification and it gets colder.
Colder, not warmer. And it is the warmer summers, and declining sea ice that may be causing the early snow.
So global warming has been making the winters colder (a clear trend), especially in February, which shows the most drastic decline of average temperatures. While this was obviously missed by almost every climate expert, a few have been predicting this. For decades.
Now that everybody knows it's happening, the climate experts are now switching, and publishing about how global warming is causing colder winters.
The sad thing is how this is being used to say all climate predictions mean nothing, when in fact it is how science advances. Once you know your theory is wrong, you change it.
That is science. Not denial of what is being observed.
Which is why the poor fool who still insists winters are warming is the real denier.
Any trouble understanding that? Or what the sources are saying?
"The sad thing is how this is being used to say all climate predictions mean nothing, when in fact it is how science advances. Once you know your theory is wrong, you change it."
Watts et al use any and all shortcomings to say it's all a scam, or fraud, or something. His enemies do the same thing, just about Watts et al
Both are being unscientific.
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