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 14th December 2014, 03:32 PM #2841 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Originally Posted by Reality Check So your response to people presenting science at a conference is to insult them and the science, Sol88 ! Insult??? what your inteligence?? sorry mate, shall we speak slower and use little words? __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018]
 14th December 2014, 03:36 PM #2842 Belz... Fiend God     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 73,313 Haig, are you going to ever answer my straight questions ? __________________ Master of the Shining Darkness
 14th December 2014, 03:38 PM #2843 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Sol88 I have a feeling we are going to have lots to discuss by the end of the week. I have a feeling that we are going to see lots of idiotic comments on the Thunderbolts web site from electric comet proponents after the end of the converafernce, Sol88. Which you and Haig will probably blindly parrot here. They willtake every mention of electromagnetism as support for the dumb idea that comets are rock. think that any unknowns are support for the invalid electric comet idea, i.e. God of the gaps argument. think that anything they do not understand is support for the invalid electric comet idea (argument from ignorance). think that anything that the scientific model does not explain is support for the invalid electric comet idea (fallacy of false dichotomy). __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist!
 14th December 2014, 03:41 PM #2844 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Originally Posted by Reality Check I have a feeling that we are going to see lots of idiotic comments on the Thunderbolts web site from electric comet proponents after the end of the converafernce, Sol88. Which you and Haig will probably blindly parrot here. They willtake every mention of electromagnetism as support for the dumb idea that comets are rock. think that any unknowns are support for the invalid electric comet idea, i.e. God of the gaps argument. think that anything they do not understand is support for the invalid electric comet idea (argument from ignorance). think that anything that the scientific model does not explain is support for the invalid electric comet idea (fallacy of false dichotomy). Reality Check please answer the question after reading this paper Quote: Abstract Although the Moon and asteroids are often thought of as having relatively dormant environments, in fact the Moon at least is very electrically active. The surfaces of airless bodies are directly exposed to solar UV and X-rays, as well as solar wind plasma and energetic particles. This bombardment creates a complex electric field and plasma environment, with the surface typically charging positive in sunlight and negative in shadow, and surface potentials varying over orders of magnitude in response to changing solar illumination and plasma conditions. We present the first efforts to derive the exact magnitude of the nightside lunar surface electric potential from orbit (which involves correcting for spacecraft charging effects), rather than the lower limits which have been derived before. We then compare these measurements to simple theoretical models and other predictions for lunar surface charging in shadow during quiet times. In addition, we present a complete survey of lunar surface charging (utilizing data from Apollo surface observations and Lunar Prospector orbital observations, in concert with theory and modeling) for all lunar locations and solar and plasma conditions, in order to demonstrate the wide range of charging conditions that can occur on airless bodies. By validating surface charging models for the Moon, we can gain confidence in the application of these models to other airless bodies such as asteroids, moons, and Mercury. It is important to have confidence in these theoretical tools, so we can apply them to problems such as dust levitation and transport - which may be of fundamental importance and hows this applies to the standard mainstream theory of comets and in particular, sublimating subsurface ice?? __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018] Last edited by Sol88; 14th December 2014 at 03:43 PM.
 14th December 2014, 03:45 PM #2845 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Sol88 Insult??? what your inteligence?? sorry mate, shall we speak slower and use little words? And the response to my post is to question my intelligence, Sol88 ! Read what you wrote Originally Posted by Sol88 [Will they say the mainstream model is DEAD or make up more male bovine excrement. The insult to the scientists is "make up": Trusting a scientific theory such as the comet model without credible evidence is not what competent scientist (or rational people for that matter!) do. The insult to the science is "male bovine excrement". __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist!
 14th December 2014, 03:46 PM #2846 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Sol88 ... Soll88, Please read what you quote: Originally Posted by Reality Check I have a feeling that we are going to see lots of idiotic comments on the Thunderbolts web site from electric comet proponents after the end of the converafernce, Sol88. Which you and Haig will probably blindly parrot here. They willtake every mention of electromagnetism as support for the dumb idea that comets are rock. think that any unknowns are support for the invalid electric comet idea, i.e. God of the gaps argument. think that anything they do not understand is support for the invalid electric comet idea (argument from ignorance). think that anything that the scientific model does not explain is support for the invalid electric comet idea (fallacy of false dichotomy). Please read Surface Charging on Airless Bodies Quote: Although the Moon and asteroids are often thought of as having relatively dormant environments, in fact the Moon at least is very electrically active. The surfaces of airless bodies are directly exposed to solar UV and X-rays, as well as solar wind plasma and energetic particles. This bombardment creates a complex electric field and plasma environment, with the surface typically charging positive in sunlight and negative in shadow, and surface potentials varying over orders of magnitude in response to changing solar illumination and plasma conditions. We present the first efforts to derive the exact magnitude of the nightside lunar surface electric potential from orbit (which involves correcting for spacecraft charging effects), rather than the lower limits which have been derived before. We then compare these measurements to simple theoretical models and other predictions for lunar surface charging in shadow during quiet times. In addition, we present a complete survey of lunar surface charging (utilizing data from Apollo surface observations and Lunar Prospector orbital observations, in concert with theory and modeling) for all lunar locations and solar and plasma conditions, in order to demonstrate the wide range of charging conditions that can occur on airless bodies. By validating surface charging models for the Moon, we can gain confidence in the application of these models to other airless bodies such as asteroids, moons, and Mercury. It is important to have confidence in these theoretical tools, so we can apply them to problems such as dust levitation and transport - which may be of fundamental importance both at the Moon and on asteroids. and how this applies to the standard mainstream theory of asteroids, moons, Mercury, and other airless, rocky objects ! No one knows whether this relatively new analysis (2007) may or may not apply to comets. There are hints - the ice and dust "dunes" on 67P suggest some form of ice and dust movement. __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist! Last edited by Reality Check; 14th December 2014 at 03:54 PM.
 14th December 2014, 04:52 PM #2847 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Originally Posted by Reality Check And the response to my post is to question my intelligence, Sol88 ! Read what you wrote The insult to the scientists is "make up": Trusting a scientific theory such as the comet model without credible evidence is not what competent scientist (or rational people for that matter!) do. The insult to the science is "male bovine excrement". Trusting a scientific theory such as the comet model without credible evidence is not what competent scientist (or rational people for that matter!) do, so mainstream just make it up to save prior theory...whooboy! Oort Cloud, Dusty rind over an icy core, sublimating ice, leftovers from the formation of the solar system...etc etc and you want to talk about made up, ok. __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018]
 14th December 2014, 04:59 PM #2848 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Originally Posted by Reality Check Soll88, Please read what you quote: Please read Surface Charging on Airless Bodies and how this applies to the standard mainstream theory of asteroids, moons, Mercury, and other airless, rocky objects ! No one knows whether this relatively new analysis (2007) may or may not apply to comets. There are hints - the ice and dust "dunes" on 67P suggest some form of ice and dust movement. and how this applies to the standard mainstream theory of asteroids, moons, Mercury, and other airless, rocky objects ! but not comets, Reality Check? Why not? Is it because you have trouble formulating your own ideas? You need to have them presented to you in full by "mainstream" scientists? I fail to understand your thinking as much as I fail to understand why mainstream are so reluctant to embrace EM as the dominate force in the Universe... Quote: "Gravitational systems are the 'ashes' of prior electrical systems." Hannes Alfven __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018]
 14th December 2014, 05:12 PM #2849 Haig Graduate Poster     Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,635 Originally Posted by Belz... Haig, are you going to ever answer my straight questions ? Gezz Belz, what straight question? This thread has gone nuts with RC spamming the board ! Maybe you should ask him? Lots of answers here about the Electric Comet hypothesis It's ALL about evidence ... and here ... Rosetta Mission Update | The Rocky Comet Quote: This is first in a series of Rosetta Mission Updates with Wal Thornhill and Dave Talbott. In this brief video, Wal offers a preliminary assessment of the Rosetta Mission to Comet 67P more to come shortly
 14th December 2014, 05:15 PM #2850 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Sol88 and how this applies to the standard mainstream thery of asteroids, moons, Mercury, and other airless, rocky objects ! Wow - way still not to understand what you read Sol88 ! Of course Surface Charging on Airless Bodies applies to asteroids, moons, Mercury, and other airless, rocky objects that is what the abstract states. But comets are not asteroids, moons or Mercury - they are not rocks ! Thus no one knows whether this relatively new analysis (2007) may or may not apply to comets. There are hints - the ice and dust "dunes" on 67P suggest some form of ice and dust movement. But that could be as simple as ice and dust falling "downhill" in the gravity of the comet. __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist! Last edited by Reality Check; 14th December 2014 at 05:17 PM.
 14th December 2014, 05:16 PM #2851 Haig Graduate Poster     Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,635 A puzzle for mainstream Rosetta Reignites Debate on Earth's Oceans Quote: For them, water must always be "carried" or "brought"--but this is a perpetual loop conundrum for them: What brought the water to the comets and asteroids? Therefore the theory is not believable. It is further not believable when considering that myriad celestial bodies have known water on them such as Enceladus and Europa, others. So, again, what brought their water? And how can tiny rocks magically seed every planet and icy moon? Where is the mechanism for this and where is the evidence for this massive bombardment activity? But there is a deeper conundrum: Why did the trillions of comets and asteroids discriminate with Europa, missing Ganymede? Did they have a group meeting and decide to not visit Io either? Why did the rock swarm gang up on poor Enceladus but not want to visit Iapetus?
 14th December 2014, 05:22 PM #2852 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Haig Gezz Belz, what straight question? ...snipped usual Thunderbolts delusions... Gezz, Haig: Originally Posted by Belz... I'm sorry: what do rock comets have to do with the electric universe model ? Your quote does not answer that question. Rock comets are asteroids within the orbit of Mercury having dust blown off of them. __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist!
 14th December 2014, 05:38 PM #2853 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Haig ...usual Thunderbolts delusions snipped Apparently you are content to parrot Thunderbolts ignorance and delusions, Haig. Rosetta shows that the water on comet comes from the comet, not the solar wind since the D/H ratio is not that of the solar wind (one of the electric comet fantasies is that the solar wind creates the observed water). A wide range of D/H ratios falsifies the electric comet delusion so far that comets are blasted from the surface of planets/moons! __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist!
 14th December 2014, 05:44 PM #2854 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Sol88 Ice dunes? There only ice and dust on comets and so any dunes have to be made up of ice and dust, Sol88 . Of course as anyone who has ever been in show and seen similar patterns knows, this is "wind blown" ice particles and dust particles that have formed dunes. __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist!
 14th December 2014, 05:44 PM #2855 Belz... Fiend God     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 73,313 Originally Posted by Haig Gezz Belz, what straight question? How do rocky comets relate to the EU theory ? And don't like to a paper or someone else's work this time : explain it in your own words. __________________ Master of the Shining Darkness
 14th December 2014, 05:48 PM #2856 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Haig It's ALL about evidence ... and here ... Rosetta Mission Update | The Rocky Comet It turns out to be a web page pointing to fantasies, delusions and lies in a Thunderbolts video, Haig. __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist!
 14th December 2014, 05:52 PM #2857 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Sol88: List of outstanding questions __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist! Last edited by Reality Check; 14th December 2014 at 05:54 PM.
 14th December 2014, 05:54 PM #2858 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Outstanding questions about electric comet origins __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist!
 14th December 2014, 07:10 PM #2859 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Originally Posted by Reality Check There only ice and dust on comets and so any dunes have to be made up of ice and dust, Sol88 . Of course as anyone who has ever been in show and seen similar patterns knows, this is "wind blown" ice particles and dust particles that have formed dunes. Ahh you are a tricky bugger RC, when you said wind I thought as the wind here on good 'ol Earth but you meant the ELECTRIC COMET's ION WIND Quote: on wind, ionic wind, coronal wind or electric wind are expressions formerly used to describe the resulting localized neutral flow induced by electrostatic forces linked to corona discharge arising at the tips of some sharp conductors (such as points or blades) submitted to high-voltages relative to ground. Modern implementations belong to the family of electrohydrodynamic (EHD) devices. So the INOIC WIND on a comet can blow ice into dunes...really, what ice? __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018] Last edited by Sol88; 14th December 2014 at 07:13 PM.
 14th December 2014, 07:39 PM #2860 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Originally Posted by LSSBB That dog must be laughing at your lack of cursory research skills. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_dune Ice dunes on a comet LSSBB? __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018]
 14th December 2014, 07:47 PM #2861 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Originally Posted by Sol88 Ahh ...snipped fantasy... That is a fantasy about the ELECTRIC COMET and ignorance about ion winds, Sol88 . Ion wind is science. They are induced from "corona discharge arising at the tips of some sharp conductors" and what have we not detected at 67P, discharge - any electrical discharges from anywhere The invalid electric comet idea is based on fantasy, delusions and a few lies, not science. Electric comets still do not exist ! . Which reminds me to add the latest evidence against the electric comet idea (thank you Haig ) Sol88: List of outstanding questions __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist! Last edited by Reality Check; 14th December 2014 at 07:54 PM.
 14th December 2014, 07:59 PM #2862 Reality Check Penultimate Amazing   Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 22,328 Electric comets still do not exist Updated the observations of D/H ratios, especially for 67P.Comets have measured densities that are much less than that of rocks (asteroids). Comets may not have the composition of asteroids Deep Impact confirmed that comet nuclei are made of dust and ice not rock. There were a couple of surprises in that the dust was talcum powder rather than sand and the amount of ice was smaller than expected. "Analysis of data from the Swift X-ray telescope showed that the comet continued outgassing from the impact for 13 days, with a peak five days after impact. A total of 5 million kilograms (11 million pounds) of water[35] and between 10 and 25 million kilograms (22 and 55 million pounds) of dust were lost from the impact."WP Thus the water content of Comet Tempel 1 is 20% to 50%. Cometary dust as collected by the Stardust mission contain forms of carbon that are not in meteorites. Electric Comets I Electric Comets II: References Electric Comets III: No EU X-rays (actually no EU X-ray bursts). The EC assumption of EDM machining does not produce jets. EDM in the EC idea needs a dielectric material which does not exist! No EDM sparks are seen in images of comet nuclei. No EDM hot spots are seen in thermal maps of Tempel 1. Voltage potentials are many orders of magnitude too small. EC predicts that 100,000's of asteroids should be comets Water, water everywhere (except in the EC idea) EC proponents have the delusion that argument by YouTube video is somehow scientific ! EC proponents may think that EC comets switch off at perihelion? EC proponents trust a web site that lies to its readers about "confirmed" predictions: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions. Rosetta shows that the water on comet comes from the comet, not the solar wind since the D/H ratio is not that of the solar wind (one of the electric comet fantasies is that the solar wind creates the observed water, another is that electrical discharges do this). A wide range of D/H ratios falsifies the electric comet delusion (so far) that comets are blasted from the surface of planets/moons! If the Rosetta results are still no electric discharges observed then that will be added as yet another nail in the electric comet coffin. __________________ NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter (another observation) (and Abell 520) Electric comets still do not exist! Last edited by Reality Check; 14th December 2014 at 08:02 PM.
 14th December 2014, 08:25 PM #2863 LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian     Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 18,407 Originally Posted by Sol88 Ice dunes on a comet LSSBB? Why not, specifically? Please note, your inability to imagine why they are there does not count as proof. Also note, YOU were laughing at the notion of ICE DUNES. Now you have moved the goal posts. __________________ "You must not let your need to be right be more important than your need to find out what's true." - Ray Dalio, Principles
 14th December 2014, 11:29 PM #2864 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Now LSSBB this is what "Ice Dunes" were originally used Quote: and how this applies to the standard mainstream theory of asteroids, moons, Mercury, and other airless, rocky objects ! No one knows whether this relatively new analysis (2007) may or may not apply to comets. There are hints - the ice and dust "dunes" on 67P suggest some form of ice and dust movement. statement by Reality Check. My question was not whether ice dunes form anywhere in the universe but specifically on comets! On Earth they are caused by wind, but on a comet??????? Before you start slinging turds like a chimp, get your facts straight! LSSBB, are there "Ice Dunes" on any comet? not on Earth or elsewhere in the universe but on a comet, specifically 67P? __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018] Last edited by Sol88; 14th December 2014 at 11:31 PM.
 14th December 2014, 11:32 PM #2865 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 ice ice ice, but none to be found but comets have icy cliffs and ice dunes! __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018]
 14th December 2014, 11:36 PM #2866 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Originally Posted by LSSBB Why not, specifically? Please note, your inability to imagine why they are there does not count as proof. Also note, YOU were laughing at the notion of ICE DUNES. Now you have moved the goal posts. I imagine pink unicorns having a dance party on a comet but kind find any evidence for them does that mean their not there? Sounds like mainstream imagining ice on/in a comet, they imagined so hard they can't believe the data coming back saying no ICE. so your saying mainstream uses their imagination? Seems that's all they've got. __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018]
 14th December 2014, 11:39 PM #2867 Sol88 Illuminator     Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,168 Are the mods closing this thread?? Oh I see, people getn bit touchy. Righto I guess me be ad homed is ok. No worries people always get a bit touchy when hittn close to a nerve. So I guess no more posts until AGU papers are released. __________________ "Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116] "No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem] Usual lies about ices and dust comet papers (bedrock is not actual rock). [Reality Check, 2 May 2018] Last edited by Sol88; 14th December 2014 at 11:43 PM.
 15th December 2014, 02:22 AM #2869 Haig Graduate Poster     Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,635 Rosetta Mission Update | Comets May Not Be What We Thought Quote: Published on 14 Dec 2014 The Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. Perhaps the strangest solar system object ever observed up close in the course of the space age. It was the target of the Rosetta probe, whose 10-year journey began in March 2004, under the sponsorship of the European Space Agency. The probe is now orbiting the nucleus of 67P, and investigators hope to confirm the comet’s link to the very origins of our solar system. In this brief overview of the Rosetta Mission, David Talbott begins a series of reports on the continuing surprises facing comet theorists.
 15th December 2014, 02:47 AM #2871 Haig Graduate Poster     Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,635 Originally Posted by tusenfem So, where does this bring us now? I think it might be a good idea to actually start a thread which discusses the actual mainstream model of comets, with all the "geo"logical and plasma physical processes that can take place. The fact that we may not understand everything in the mainstream model is only to be expected, because we have only in-situ data from a few comets (Halley. Giacobini-Zinner, Grigg-Skjellerup, Wild, Churyumov-Gerasimenko). However, our models are developing constantly, especially now that we are "in orbit" around a comet and we get to see the development from very weakly active at arrival, to highly active as it comes closer and closer to the sun. I asked you to state or give links to the mainstream model of comets and you couldn't / wouldn't do it .... only hand waving ... WHY ? because it's a moving concept heading in the direction of the ELECTRIC COMET hypothesis. ALL you cited were books (fair enough) but on-line in the 21st centuriy NASA has these as Comet Models ... HERE and HERE I see mainstream are beginning to get the EU / PC idea ... ... apart that is the Supermassive Black Hole's nonsense Extragalactic circuits, transmission lines, and CR particle acceleration Quote: A non-negligible fraction of a Supermassive Black Hole's (SMBH) rest mass energy gets transported into extragalactic space by a remarkable process in jets which are incompletely understood. What are the physical processes which transport this energy? It is likely that the energy flows electromagnetically, rather than via a particle beam flux. The deduced electromagnetic fields may produce particles of energy as high as ∼1020 eV. The energetics of SMBH accretion disk models and the electromagnetic energy transfer imply that a SMBH should generate a 1018−1019 Amp\eres current close to the black hole and its accretion disk. We describe the so far best observation-based estimate of the magnitude of the current flow along the axis of the jet extending from the nucleus of the active galaxy in 3C303. The current is measured to be I∼1018 Amp\eres at ∼40 kpc away from the AGN. This indicates that organized current flow remains intact over multi-kpc distances. The electric current I transports electromagnetic power into free space, P=I2Z, where Z∼30 Ohms is related to the impedance of free space, and this points to the existence of cosmic electric circuit. The associated electric potential drop, V=IZ, is of the order of that required to generate Ultra High Energy Cosmic Rays (UHECR). We describe the analogy of electromagnetically dominated jets with transmission lines. High powered jets {\it in vacuo} can be understood by approximate analogy with a waveguide. The importance of inductance, impedance, and other laboratory electrical concepts are discussed in this context. To appear in Proc. 18th International Symposium on Very High Energy Cosmic Ray Interactions (ISVHECR2014), CERN, That is much more CURRENT that this recent creation video from mainstream ( and you dare to poke fun at EC ES EU / PC hypothesis ) that really makes the point Ambition the film European Space Agency, ESA Last edited by Haig; 15th December 2014 at 03:07 AM.
 15th December 2014, 03:56 AM #2872 Belz... Fiend God     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 73,313 Originally Posted by Haig In my own words ??? now don't you go all JT on me . I'll use any words or papers/articles I choose to get the idea or point across. It would've been faster for you to just type "I can't" or "I don't understand it enough to put it into my own words." Quote: That is enough for me to confirm "How do rocky comets relate to the EU theory ?" but, I guess, NOT you Belz None of what you've posted up to that point even mentions electricity, Haig. That's why I'm asking for an explanation by you. Your efforts are pathetic. __________________ Master of the Shining Darkness
 15th December 2014, 04:25 AM #2873 Haig Graduate Poster     Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,635 Originally Posted by Belz... It would've been faster for you to just type "I can't" or "I don't understand it enough to put it into my own words." How about ... You cant understand what I write / copy / paste ! does that about say it ? Quote: None of what you've posted up to that point even mentions electricity, Haig. That's why I'm asking for an explanation by you. Sure it does Belz ... you just have to read it again ... to the end ... and think about it Quote: Your efforts are pathetic. That's a matter of opinion Belz I just knew you would't be happy It's like this ... Electric Comets & Rock Comets ..... needs an ..... Electric Sun ..... needs an ..... Electric Universe / Plasma Cosmology
 15th December 2014, 05:09 AM #2875 Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing     Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 17,201 Remember if your can't Google it then it doesn't exist.
 15th December 2014, 06:23 AM #2876 Belz... Fiend God     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 73,313 Originally Posted by Haig Sure it does Belz ... you just have to read it again ... to the end ... and think about it No, that's your out, there. You can't explain what the hell it means, think it's super-deep and stuff, and expect everyone to agree with you without having to actually make any sense out of it. Explain how they are related, or admit that you have no clue. Quote: That's a matter of opinion Belz It really isn't. Quote: Electric Comets & Rock Comets ..... needs an ..... Electric Sun ..... needs an ..... Electric Universe / Plasma Cosmology So ? __________________ Master of the Shining Darkness
 15th December 2014, 07:49 AM #2879 paladin17 Student   Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 47 Originally Posted by Reality Check The scientific argument is that the D/H ratio should vary in the Kuiper belt and Oort cloud and that would be reflected in comet D/H ratios. I can guess why - maybe radiation pressure would push lighter H atoms further away than heavier D atoms. Then why all the other planets have different D/H ratios? The 67P's deuterium content is very high (look at the picture), so in this case its orbit should be somewhere around Venus, I suppose? Originally Posted by Reality Check the current due to the solar wind alone is zero. The solar wind is neutral. There are plenty of sources for this if you want to look them up. My sources (like the mentioned data from ACE) tell that there is an electric current. Originally Posted by Reality Check The solar wind is electrically neutral and so is not an electric current. Actual measurements suggest otherwise. Originally Posted by Reality Check paladin17, it looks like you should learn a basic fact about comets - their measured densities are ~5 times less than that of rock . This means that the basic premise of comets being rock is wrong. Anything based on comets being rock is not science - it is fantasy. Take a rock that is hollow inside and you can get almost any density value you want. That doesn't prove or disprove anything. Originally Posted by Reality Check The Solar System may have little or no bow shock. The bow shock is many AU outside of the region where comets start outgassing. I cannot agree with you. All the data suggest otherwise (see this, for example). I understand that it is far away from the comets, but please take a look first at why I've mentioned it in the first place, and maybe it will be more clear to you.

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