Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Ziggurat said:
How would they possibly know?
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Because observations like this keep coming
Rossim said:
In the standard model of jets being sublimating gas streams the most dense portion of the jet must be at the surface and dissipate farther out. However, in the following image of 67P I'm seeing more of a sprite pattern in the jet with the densest part a bit away from the surface.

67P from Rosetta: http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/...-1-eng-GB/Comet_on_6_February_2015_NavCam.jpg

A sprite for comparison:
http://www.the-electric-universe.info/images/image003.jpg


This could be a direct falsifying observation since sublimation requires a smooth gradient as the source is expelled. Hopefully some quality data is returned from the 6km fly-by.
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'Welease Wosetta!'

As I say in the last line ...

The best is yet to come as 67P becomes more active electrically :D

Just wait a few months Ziggurat. I wonder what your excuse will be then ?

No comment on Comet Lovejoy Hit With Solar Eruptions ? :eek:
 
Haig said:
Because observations like this keep coming
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Still no quantification, I see.

"I'm seeing more of a sprite pattern in the jet with the densest part a bit away from the surface"

It looks like a bunny!

Tell me, Haig, how does Rossim infer density from that JPEG picture? Well, he can't, and he doesn't. He's just making **** up. He's got no idea what the density is, he's got no idea if it actually conflicts with the standard model, and just as importantly, he's got no idea if it conflicts with the ECH. Why? Because (again), just like everyone else on the ECH side, he can't quantify anything. Ever.
 
Haig said:
Because observations like this keep coming
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Sprites? Interesting. In the EDM model, the jets are debris being blown off by the discharges, so we'd expect the debris to go in a more-or-less hemispherical pattern from each individual discharge. That wouldn't lead to any clumping, and, in fact, the bits of debris would repel each other (similar charges) so we'd expect EDM debris to dissipate pretty evenly. And yet, according to this Rossim person, the debris is clumping.

Wouldn't that falsify EDM as the source for the coma?

As I say in the last line ...

The best is yet to come as 67P becomes more active electrically :D

Just wait a few months Ziggurat. I wonder what your excuse will be then ?
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ah. So you're speculating that as-yet-uncollected data will, in some unspecified way, support EC, and based on that speculation, you're gloating?

That's both classy and compelling.

(btw - I agree with Ziggurat that there's simply no way to make meaningful inferences about local coma densities based on that picture)
 
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Thunderbolts ignorance and lie in 67P's Mysterious Water Production video

Haig said:
Yes, fantastic indeed and more confirmation of the Electric Comet hypothesis :D ...
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What a fantastic confirmation of the delusion that is the electric comet, Haig :p!

Looks like another ignorance, lying and/or deluded video from the Thunderbolts authors, e.g.
* there is nothing mysterious about the water production from 67P or other comets.
* they lie about the electric comet providing a better explanation - starting with the delusion that comets are rocks blasted recently from the surface pf planets is not an explanation!

The last one was Thunderbolts authors state that they have been fooled by Velikovsky's delusion :eek:
which needs to be added toThe ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site and videos.
 
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Haig said:
Comet Lovejoy Hit With Solar Eruptions
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Oh dear, Haig, lying about that source which has nothing to do with the electric comet :eye-poppi!
Suspicious0bservers is not a great source of valid science but the narrator clearly states the facts - Comet Lovejoy's tail was disrupted (actually more like distorted according to his description). But then he goes on a fantasy about solar eruptions causing it with vague "eyeballing". That idea has nothing to so with a delusion that comets are rocks.

The science is that this is expected. Comet Lovejoy has even lost tails because of known physics:
Comet Q2 Lovejoy Loses Tail, Grows Another, Loses That One Too!
Easy come, easy go. Comets usually have two tails, one of dust particles that reflect sunlight and another of ionized gases that fluoresce in Sun’s ultraviolet radiation. Ion tails form when cometary gases, primarily carbon monoxide, are ionized by solar radiation and lose an electron to become positively charged. Once “electrified”, they’re susceptible to magnetic fields embedded in the high-speed stream of charged particles flowing from the Sun called the solar wind. Magnetic field lines embedded in the wind drape around the comet and draw the ions into a long, skinny tail directly opposite the Sun.
Disconnection events happen when fluctuations in the solar wind cause oppositely directed magnetic fields to reconnect in explosive fashion and release energy that severs the tail. Set free, it drifts away from the comet and dissipates. In active comets, the nucleus continues to produce gases, which in turn are ionized by the Sun and drawn out into a replacement appendage.
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Haig said:
Because observations like this keep coming
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Wrong, Haig: Observations keep coming and you are citing ignorant people in the Thunderbolts forum making up fantasies about them :p.

That is not science - that is science fiction.
 
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Thunderbolts ignorance, delusions and lies in 67P's Mysterious Water Production video

An illustration of the ignorance in that Thunderbolts video:
A temperature of -70°C on comet 67P/CG
These preliminary measurements seem to support the notion that most of the nuclear surface is too hot (even though -70°C might seem to the man in the street to be very cold) to be made up of pure ice. It is presumably covered by some kind of dark, dust-like and pourous material,.

This result is extremely interesting, since it furnishes for the first time clues about the composition and the physical properties of a cometary surface.

These temperature measurements have been compared to temperatures of a theoretical model of a comet consisting mainly of water ice: the temperature measured on comet 67P/CG turns out to be 20 to 30 K higher than the temperature expected for an icy body.
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The data came from July 2014 but the web page was last updated on 5 January 2015.

And what have we found: A dark, organics covered, dusty surface with no sign of surface water ice :eek:.
IOW confirmation of the mainstream model of comets.

Followed by
  • Argument from expressions of surprise by astronomers in press releases rather then actual science or electric comet predictions.
  • The idiocy of solar wind producing water on the Moon = solar wind producing the observed water on comets.
  • A lie about electric comet predictions - we already know there are none!
  • The delusion that water ice on the surface is the only source of jets.
  • More unsupported assertions.
  • A fantasy that comets are formed by colliding bodies.
  • A fantasy about a "blended" solar family of planets with their own histories - maybe the Venus erupted from Jupiter delusion?
  • The trivial fact that modern comet theory originated with a book by Kant in 1755. Followed by labeling science as dogma and the delusion that the Big Bang is a "rehash of Genesis" :eye-poppi.
  • A slide of "Aztec and Maya: Venus, the Smoking Star, words for a comet", so definitely the delusion that Venus erupted from Jupiter as a comet!
  • A lie about the archetype of comets as a planet identified "globally as Venus". Many cultures knew the difference between comets and planets, e.g. the Greeks and Chinese.
  • More myths and planets hurling thunderbolts.
  • The delusion that comet 67P was born recently in a cosmic thunderbolt between planets.
 
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WoW! :eye-poppi

How good are those new close in pics of 67P?

Looks like even the deep fried ice cream is in deep as!

If you look at photo ESA_Rosetta_NAVCAM_20150214T1415_A from the hi res downloaded pics of the montage, rotate so the "hill" in the original image is in the top left and rotate it to the bottom right...


EDM in action my friends, EDM in action :eusa_whistle:
 
Indeed WoW! :eye-poppi

Sol88 said:
Looks like even the deep fried ice cream is in deep as!
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Care to talk understandable English?

Sol88 said:
If you look at photo ESA_Rosetta_NAVCAM_20150214T1415_A from the hi res downloaded pics of the montage, rotate so the "hill" in the original image is in the top left and rotate it to the bottom right...
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Done, I don't see anything that even remotely looks like EDM. I see rocklike structures with shadows, some stratification like structures on the (now) bottom right hill.
Care to enlighten us with with your insights, Sol88, with a detailed discussion of how you determined this EDM.

Sol88 said:
EDM in action my friends, EDM in action
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I guess EDM means "Extremely Defined Misunderstanding", and yes, we see that in action every time you post.
 
tusenfem said:
Indeed WoW! :eye-poppi



Care to talk understandable English?



Done, I don't see anything that even remotely looks like EDM. I see rocklike structures with shadows, some stratification like structures on the (now) bottom right hill.
Care to enlighten us with with your insights, Sol88, with a detailed discussion of how you determined this EDM.



I guess EDM means "Extremely Defined Misunderstanding", and yes, we see that in action every time you post.
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I think he means that the act of rotating the picture is something Electr(on)ic D??? M???? in action. You're basically animating a digital image, so to speak.
In other words, it's a BS comment.

Either that, or it seriously needs some explaining.
 
Sol88 said:
WoW! :eye-poppi

How good are those new close in pics of 67P?

Looks like even the deep fried ice cream is in deep as!

If you look at photo ESA_Rosetta_NAVCAM_20150214T1415_A from the hi res downloaded pics of the montage, rotate so the "hill" in the original image is in the top left and rotate it to the bottom right...


EDM in action my friends, EDM in action :eusa_whistle:
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Yes, they're wonderful pics, Sol, but the press release photos are not the science no matter how much you pretend they are. You want to redefine science as pareidolia, find-the-popes-in-the-pizza science because it allows you to pretend it confirms your predetermined bias for anti-science and Velikovskian superstition.

ECH supporters, as i think ben m said, love to drive the conversation to details and minutiae because then they don't have to answer the fundamental objection, why they don't have a working model or even a coherent narrative.

ferd
 
ferd burfle said:
Yes, they're wonderful pics, Sol, but the press release photos are not the science no matter how much you pretend they are. You want to redefine science as pareidolia, find-the-popes-in-the-pizza science because it allows you to pretend it confirms your predetermined bias for anti-science and Velikovskian superstition.

ECH supporters, as i think ben m said, love to drive the conversation to details and minutiae because then they don't have to answer the fundamental objection, why they don't have a working model or even a coherent narrative.

ferd
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It's the 'ol convex-concave illusion!
 
Reality Check said:
Which you must know is nothing to do with the Thunderbolts electric comet delusion so why did you mention their delusion, Sol88?
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The "hill" is not a stratification of a hill but a terraced crater! same as we see on the moon, Mars, Mercury...EDM

The very smooth area is the high area not the lowest depression and the "hills" are actually craters eat'n into the smooth area
 
Can you recognize delusion cubed Sol88?

Sol88 said:
The "hill"....
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And still nothing to do with the Thunderbolts electric comet delusion so why did you are you repeatedly mentioning that delusion, Sol88?

You do know that an obvious delusion about comets being blasted off from planets, based on the delusion of thunderbolts between planets, based on the delusion that planets wander around in violation of the laws of physics is delusion cubed, Sol88?
Adding your own personal delusion that EDM creates terraced craters on comets is going to delusion to the fourth power :p!
 
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rotated images HERE

Notice the boulders in the "Cove" set, rotate the photo and they are craters!!!
 
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