Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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A while back Haig asserted that at the 1950 publication of Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (the inspiration for that the Electric Universe and thus Electric Comet):
Mainstream at that time denied Electromagnetism in Space or ANY need for it
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Cygnus_X1 replied
I've got loads of papers exploring cosmic electrical phenomena prior to the publication of Worlds in Collision in 1950, so your statement is demonstrably false. The big jump in the study of electrical phenomena in space was the advent of space flight even with the early high-altitude sub-orbital launches like Aerobee and Viking, also building up in the 1950s, where we could finally do actual measurements of particles and fields in space.
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This has been expanded on his blog: The Real Electric Universe: Inspired by Velikovsky?
To which the answer is a resounding no!

Haig seems to have never cited a published scientific paper in a peer review journal that cites Velikovsky. The only possibility that I have seen is the Jurgen paper(s) which however were published in Velikovsky's vanity journal.
 
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Dancing David said:
Somebody has never cared to go someplace where snow and ice drifts and melts, they are just trolling

these pictures are all proof of EDM on glaciers
http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/the_dying_glaciers_of_california/
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I happen to live in what appears to be EDM scars on Earth, so that trumps your I've never seen snow and ice drifts statement, hand down! :D

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I've been to the Alps and yes ice is very hard but the backend of my ice skates would quite easily take a large divet out of the ice with minimal force.

This is why the MUPUS finding makes no sense. They were expecting ice, so designed the penetrator to go into/thru ice and not rock...like they found.

YOU Dancing David have never sat meditating in a waterhole in this ancient landscape and wondered how on earth erosion and tectonic/volcanic action ever made these structures, then we see them on nearly all rocky airless bodies in our solar system including comets.

So another force needs to be invoked and that me 'ol mate is electrical in nature... :cool:

I can show you plenty more examples of discharge etching here in the Kimberleys but if want to play in ice THAT is in short supply here.
 
And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed, the Wandjina fought battles and when they were done...this is what you see!

They very much look like a magnetosphere in glow mode with an axial discharge!

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Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
 
Sol88 said:
And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed, the Wandjina fought battles and when they were done...this is what you see!

They very much look like a magnetosphere in glow mode with an axial discharge!

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Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
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The ancients could see this with the naked eyes I believe? Then why don't we see images like this anymore?
 
Sol88 said:
And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed, the Wandjina fought battles and when they were done...this is what you see!

They very much look like a magnetosphere in glow mode with an axial discharge!

jupiter_mag.jpg


link

3589344.jpg


Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
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Sorry Sol, Erich von Däniken already cornered that market.
 
Ummmm....you're wrong sport!

Where on earth ya get that idea??


Sometimes u mob just make stuff up and tell little porkies pies!
 
Sol88 said:
Where on earth ya get that idea??
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From your proclivity to the picturesque and the permanent lack of the hypothesis-thesis-demonstration structure in your texts. Your epistemology was described by Däniken in a book called in Spanish "the answer of the gods" -I can't match its original and English titles-: a lot of little pieces shaped into evidence may be debunked one by one, but the overwhelming number of them is proof they are true.

Plus so much of it remitting to early stages in psychological development of humans: a projective identification, like your "Sometimes u mob just make stuff up and tell little porkies pies! "

Basically, you and your alter_ego/partner (delete as appropriate) take one element after another and assign them value as a hint or sign by arbitrary means, to later evade any further in-depth analysis and move quickly to the next element in the row to play with. That's why your whole posting history looks like playing hotspotch, the same what happens with bigfeet discoverers, 911 truthers and other interesting subjects.
 
Sol88 said:
Timings about right for the start of the Wandjina and the end of some advanced civilizations...just sayn!

That's why the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE theory trumps mainstream, the EU take all the evidence in including our ancestors and their stories!

Mainstream just make theirs up as they go along...to their detriment the EU is interdisciplinary.
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You went full Velikovsky. You never go full Velikovsky.

 
aleCcowaN said:
Basically, you and your alter_ego/partner (delete as appropriate) take one element after another and assign them value as a hint or sign by arbitrary means, to later evade any further in-depth analysis and move quickly to the next element in the row to play with.
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That's right, it's just a constant Gish Gallop with them. Keep the focus on nits and details, and don't linger on one too long lest someone ask a telling question; if they do then change the subject.

Other tactics seem to include:

-avoid mathematics at all costs

The Thunderbolts site has entire pages devoted to the proposition that you can do serious astrophysics without math. This is founded upon the fundamentally dishonest assertion that all the comet sciece to date is wrong so there's no need for math when you're starting from scratch with observation, i.e. their pareidolia. Of course, measurement and the associated math is the last thing they want to discuss since it's objective and would quickly expose the fact that they have no theory​

-avoid quantitative predictions at all costs

Not hard to do when you don't have a real model based on math. Ech proponents make predictions but you'll never see one that includes a number with associated units.​

-when needed, play the conspiracy card

When pressed on your lack of peer-reviewed ech publications, pretend your ideas are suppressed by the evil scientific establishment. Those scientists are selfishly trying to protect their highly lucrative :) academiic jobs When you can get away with it, imply or even state that scientists are incompetent, which amounts to an accusation of conspiracy to commit fraud by wasting public money.​

Sol, I challenge you to present a serious ech model, with associated math, or please request this thread be moved out of this science subforum.

ferd
 
Sol88 said:
And to boot the local Aboriginal population have creation stories on how the landscape was formed
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Wow, You and your echo chamber mates have managed to equate two blobs with a stick to look somehow like a toroid cross-section, with no causal link whatsoever. That you would believe it is proof of anything beyond spotting bunnies in clouds is mind-boggling. I would invoke Poe's rule however I am by no means a mind reader, so really all I can do is say:

You've got nothing.

...and laugh at the human condition that could produce a collective that could deliver such a mockery of real scientific and archeological discovery.

In the meantime, you got any evidence of a hard, conclusive nature that establishes ECH validity? No? Didn't think so.
 
LSSBB said:
Wow, You and your echo chamber mates have managed to equate two blobs with a stick to look somehow like a toroid cross-section, with no causal link whatsoever.
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You're giving it more credit than it's due. They've concluded that ancient drawings of two symmetric blobs around a stick look exactly like a conceptual diagram of a phenomenon that a) was wildly asymmetric, b) doesn't have a stick, and c) if actually viewed, wouldn't look like the diagram.

It's about as compelling as concluding that a rounded stone, found at an ancient campsite, proves that neanderthals foresaw the eventual popularity of the Volkswagen Beetle.
 
ferd burfle said:
That's right, it's just a constant Gish Gallop with them. Keep the focus on nits and details, and don't linger on one too long lest someone ask a telling question; if they do then change the subject.

Other tactics seem to include:

-avoid mathematics at all costs
The Thunderbolts site has entire pages devoted to the proposition that you can do serious astrophysics without math. This is founded upon the fundamentally dishonest assertion that all the comet sciece to date is wrong so there's no need for math when you're starting from scratch with observation, i.e. their pareidolia. Of course, measurement and the associated math is the last thing they want to discuss since it's objective and would quickly expose the fact that they have no theory​
-avoid quantitative predictions at all costs
Not hard to do when you don't have a real model based on math. Ech proponents make predictions but you'll never see one that includes a number with associated units.​
-when needed, play the conspiracy card
When pressed on your lack of peer-reviewed ech publications, pretend your ideas are suppressed by the evil scientific establishment. Those scientists are selfishly trying to protect their highly lucrative :) academiic jobs When you can get away with it, imply or even state that scientists are incompetent, which amounts to an accusation of conspiracy to commit fraud by wasting public money.​
Sol, I challenge you to present a serious ech model, with associated math, or please request this thread be moved out of this science subforum.

ferd
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The problem is these fora liking that kind of people. We embrace these people, we protect these people. We'd be at each others throats if it weren't for these people. They are our intellectual pets; they're punctually here playing variations of the same song for us to patronize them. They're our guilty pleasure. In other fora they are forced to justify their assertions or take them back before moving to a different point. That's why they leave those fora and flock in here -a bit less now as the Randi sign is no more-.

What you described is perfect and we must find the way within the fora to perfect and further develop such texts. Sort of a wiki within the fora. But we'd need to face the possibility of the pets wandering away. Are we prepared to perform that task and pay that price? I would, because for me it's paramount to this kind of fora to explain how these people operate, but I always felt a bit alone doing that.
 
Sol88 said:
Talbott said:
a sublimating "dirty snowball". (A chunk of ice melting in the Sun loses its sharp relief, just like a scoop of melting ice cream.)
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I surely hope that Mr. Talbott knows the difference between melting and sublimating ice (but I surely doubt it, thinking back the the "discussions" a while ago).
 
aleCcowaN said:
The problem is these fora liking that kind of people. We embrace these people, we protect these people. We'd be at each others throats if it weren't for these people. They are our intellectual pets; they're punctually here playing variations of the same song for us to patronize them. They're our guilty pleasure. In other fora they are forced to justify their assertions or take them back before moving to a different point. That's why they leave those fora and flock in here -a bit less now as the Randi sign is no more-.

What you described is perfect and we must find the way within the fora to perfect and further develop such texts. Sort of a wiki within the fora. But we'd need to face the possibility of the pets wandering away. Are we prepared to perform that task and pay that price? I would, because for me it's paramount to this kind of fora to explain how these people operate, but I always felt a bit alone doing that.
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Very eloquent ;)

but since we are only being drip fed ANYTHING to do with 67P and really we only have images to speculate over, what aleCcowaN, would you speculate in this image.

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Credits: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team MPS/UPD/LAM/IAA/SSO/INTA/UPM/DASP/IDA


:)

What would you speculate the white spots as being?
 
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Sol88 said:
Very eloquent ;)

but since we are only being drip fed ANYTHING to do with 67P and really we only have images to speculate over, what aleCcowaN, would you speculate in this image.

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Credits: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team MPS/UPD/LAM/IAA/SSO/INTA/UPM/DASP/IDA


:)

What would you speculate the white spots as being?
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Oh, thanks Xulu! I was afraid you have accidentally multiplied yourself by your real knowledge on the subject!

Well, I wouldn't speculate but dared to do it I'd say ... soap foam and dust ... an alien with rotting teeth watched the probe in a stable position and started to scrub the lenses.
 
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Sol88, just curious, why did you rotate that image 180 degrees?
 
Fairy dust. Has to be. I don't need a cogent hypothesis as to why. The fact that fairies have never been observed, nor any sensible hypothesis posited as to how they would exist, nor the fact that people who know about these things far better than I do say it is nonsense, will not prevent me from claiming otherwise. Besides, it looks like fairy dust (even if fairy dust has never been seen before).
QED.
 
Sol88 said:
What would you speculate the white spots as being?
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Salt patches. They're faking space missions in the Arizona desert again just like they good old days.

See what did there? I made stuff up. Just like you do. I have exactly as much information as you (1 random photo) and the exact same analysis tools - a monitor, my eyes, and a preconceived notion set.

In other words, you are doing the exact opposite of science. Your conclusion will by just as valid as mine. You might as well be circling random shadows and labeling them "alien base" and "landing pad."
 
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