Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Haig said:
I'll give you three answers (with examples) that convince me in the absence of ANY better explanation ...
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What we have is three examples of standard comet behavior and the delusion that they are due to unspecified "electric activity", Haig.

The size of a comets coma in relation to the size of it's nucleus
Comet coma are big :eek:!

The length of a comets tail remaining attached to the coma/nucleus despite ALL even regrowing when detached by solar activity
Comet tails can be detached by their interactions with the solar wind. This is known as magnetic reconnection.

The jets emanating from the nucleus[/QUOTE]
Comets have jets :jaw-dropp!

These observations are not "mutually exclusive of sublimation driven activity" as asked of you. Jets, tails and coma are gases produced by sublimation and then ionized by the solar wind.
 
dasmiller said:
No. Don't give us a clue, or a hint, or something tangentially related. Just tell us why.

The linked page that you provided doesn't say anything about the size of the coma.
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Jrrarglblarg said:
Unsupported Assertion by Copypasta. If a comet is indeed rock as per your gullibly repeated thoughts of others then yes, a cloud of diffuse particles would be a difficult thing to explain. But you have not proven comets are rocks so you don't get to use that "fact" as proof of anything. Presenting one supposition as proof of another doesn't even rise to the level of circular logic.

Fail.
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Here you go guys! enjoy ;)

The Electrochemistry of Comets with Dr. Franklin Anariba (short version 11 mins)
We ask the question, can the science of electrochemistry provide an answer to many comet mysteries?
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Electrochemical model relies on a voltage difference
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tusenfem said:
I would still like to see Haig come up with a real calculation that the reaction rate of the loosened oxygen from the cometary surface and the protons of the solar wind is fast enough to actually create so much hydroxyl around the comet. Naturally, that would have to include also an esitmate of how much oxygen is produced by EDM.

Unfortunately, Haig can only copypaste texts that are only sideways relevant, and even though this thread is 6 years old, and there are several older threads with EC discussions embedded in EU themes, there is NOT EVEN A HINT OF A BACK OF THE ENVELOPE CALCULATION for the water (hydroxyl) production. Not even on Thunderdolts, where apparently all the "experts" on Electic Universe are coming together.

Also my question about what would be the signature of EDM in the fields instruments gets ignored constantly, probably because they don't understand what an actual discharge would be doing in the field of EM radiation production.

It is pointless to discuss wit Haig or with Sol88 because they don't have even the most basic knowledge of physics, and they can only copypaste what they cherrypick from google searches, heck, even Talbott did not help these poor souls, and disappeared after a week or three (with friends like this, who needs ISF adversaries).
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Here you go tusenfem ... you should see the full version. :D

The Electrochemistry of Comets with Dr. Franklin Anariba | Space News (22 mins)
It is a great paradox in comet science: We are told that a comet nucleus is a ball of ice, or dirty snowball, or icy fluff ball that accreted billions of year ago in the solar system’s infancy. Comets are said to sublimate ices as they move toward the sun, and solar warming is responsible for much cometary activity. Yet this reasoning leaves unexplained countless puzzles in comet science. We ask the question, can the science of electrochemistry provide an answer to many comet mysteries?
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Haig said:
Here you go tusenfem ... you should see the full version.
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Please explain to me in enough detail why I should watch a boobtoop?

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Just scanned through a write up of this talk (on thunderdolts)
The guy does not think much of his audience: this is complicated, but I will keep it simple for you.
Most of it seems implausable, but I will let a chemist comment on that.

Interestingly (or should I say iron-ically), Thunderdolts do not seem to know the difference between "ions" and "irons" .... *sigh*
 
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tusenfem said:
Please explain to me in enough detail why I should watch a boobtoop?

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Just scanned through a write up of this talk (on thunderdolts)
The guy does not think much of his audience: this is complicated, but I will keep it simple for you.
Most of it seems implausable, but I will let a chemist comment on that.

Interestingly (or should I say iron-ically), Thunderdolts do not seem to know the difference between "ions" and "irons" .... *sigh*
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I just read through the transcript too. You don't have to know much chemistry to know that electrochemistry is solution chemistry. Anariba is just trying to repackage the same old EU nonsense in the jargon of his professional specialty. And he's evidently willing to do that even for a system that doesn't fall within that specialty. Lukraak Sisser said it already above---his "idea" fails out of the box based on the definition alone. Just another big steaming delivery from our Electric Fetish friends.
 
The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos etc.

Haig said:
Here you go guys! enjoy ;)

The Electrochemistry of Comets with Dr. Franklin Anariba (short version 11 mins)
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We always enjoy you supporting delusions about comets by citing crackpot videos as if they were science, Haig :p!

Here we have an electrochemist rather incoherently talking about comets at a conference held by the deluded Thunderbolts crowd.
Read Transcript of EU2013 talk by Dr. Franklin Anariba and weep!
All he does is fantasize about electrochemistry on comets starting with the Thunderbolts delusion that comets are rocks ("rich in minerals, with silicates and transition metals'). Some cartoons, no science :eek:.

This could be item 19 to be added to The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site and videos.
Reality Check said:
The 17 items (:eek:) in The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site and videos need updating.

18. 19 February 2015: Thunderbolts ignorance, delusions and lies in 67P's Mysterious Water Production video
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But we (not you Haig!) already knew that the EU conferences were hotbeds of cranks and their ideas:
14th July 2014 Haig: How can you believe in the competence of the EU proponents when the speakers at their 2014 conference was a collection of cranks, actual deluded people and some electrical engineers?
(the deluded people were the Velikovsky believers: David Talbott, Daniel Jencka, Dwardu Cardona)
 
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EU2015 will be yet another collection of mostly cranks

Speaking of EU conferences: EU2015 — speakers
Wallace Thornhill
  • basically lying (quote mining) about Richard Feynman. What Richard Feynman actually observed in The Character of Physical Law was that a physical description of gravity as particles hitting bodies and being partially absorbed does not work and “So there is no model of the theory of gravitation today, other than the mathematical form.” (my emphasis)
  • confirming that he is a Velikovsky crank.
David Talbott with his "mythology is science" fantasy.
Dr. Donald Scott
  • a fantasy that counter rotating clouds at the poles of planets are caused by Birkeland currents.
  • a probable fantasy that the Ulysses space probe found a "downward flow of energy into the Sun’s north pole".
  • a definite fantasy that "a Birkeland current may be responsible for the planetary spacings described by the Titius-Bode Law"
Dr. Jerry Pollack with a fantasy about a fourth phase of water - negatively charged water. He may think that the auto-dissociation of water into hydronium and hydroxide ions magically persists when water evaporates.
More from the SAFIRE Project.
Ben Davidson (a lawyer!) will present an analysis between patterns of solar polar magnetic fields and earthquakes.
Dr. C.J. Ransom may present a bit of actual science :eek:.
The Nice model includes the migration of Jupiter from a inner position to its current position.
But his subject of collisions between planets sounds like Velikovsky's crank idea. He has an irrelevant talk about conical hats!
And another talk that sounds like examples of the "astronomers were surprised and so our crank idea is right" fallacy.
Michael Steinbacher: Plasma Catastrophist Geology - what more need be said :D!
TOM WILSON, PhD: Sounds like more of the "astronomers were surprised and so our crank idea is right" fallacy.
Eugene Bagashov will display his ignorance of science with a fantasy about an "orthogonal" force "that twists the galaxies in spirals and places planets and their satellites into orbits".
Bruce Leybourne will fantasize about "climate as the interplay between Field Aligned Currents in the ionosphere and Induction Currents charging Earth’s core"
Annis Scott will describe the EU universe - do not expect any science!
Dwardu Cardona may fantasize about what came before the Big Bang but may just spout gibberish as in the description of his talk!
Ignacio Cisneros - a poet :eek: The organizers of EU 2015 cannot even tell the difference between poetry and science!
Ev Cochrane: More Velikovsky idiocy (planets colliding in recent times).
Dr. Kongpop U-yen: looke like an electrical engineer with fantasies about astronomy and "quantum vibrations"
Dr. Pierre-Marie Robitaille will repeat his long held delusions about basic physics (Kirchhoff’s law).
Steve Crothers will repeat his delusions about GR with the lie about being a "preeminent mathematician", etc.

etc.
 
GIADA investigates comet’s “fluffy” dust grains
The individual compact particles have a bulk density of 800–3000 kg/m3, consistent with a variety of minerals or mixtures of minerals. On the other hand, the larger aggregates are made up of many sub-micron sized grains with void spaces in between, resulting in fluffy, highly porous structures that are mostly empty space. These aggregates are associated with the fluffy particles seen by Rosetta’s COSIMA instrument.
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800–3000 kg/m3.....OUCH! Here


Marco explains: “Both the spacecraft and the dust particles are negatively charged, so there is a repulsive force between them. The amount of deceleration experienced by any particle is related to its charge and mass, with the maximum amount of charge held by the dust particle determined by its geometry.
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So it's ALL electric then???????


Except for mainstreams adherence in the face of over whelming evidence that the initial process to get all these electrical effects under-way, is heat induced sub surface sublimation....how's that coming along RC?
 
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Oh, hey, look at that: mainstream science is quantifying things!

How are the EUtards coming along with their numbers? Oh, that's right, they don't do numbers.
 
Ziggurat said:
The same way he gets everything else from actual science sources: by wildly misinterpreting it to fit his Velokovskian fantasies.
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Not just misinterpreting, but obfuscating by omission. He failed to mention that the fluffy particles have a density of ~1 kg/m^3. And that there were only 193 detections of the compact particles, but 853 of the fluffy ones.
Add all that up, allowing for far more fluffies than compacts, not to mention the H2O being sublimated at 1000 kg/m^3, plus likely voids, then I don't see anything that would indicate that the density is anything other than that already measured for the comet, i.e. ~470kg/m^3.
No story here, move on.
 
Sol88 said:
GIADA investigates comet’s “fluffy” dust grains

Here

So it's ALL electric then???????
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Ah yes. And the voltage on the comet is how much? Oh, the article does mention it. Let's see, it's here somewhere. Right! 5 to 10 volts. Can you say 9 volt battery? I knew you could.

And how much force will that exert? How much jet activity will it produce? How much EDM?

Except for mainstreams adherence in the face of over whelming evidence that the initial process to get all these electrical effects under-way, is heat induced sub surface sublimation....how's that coming along RC?
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And speaking of the process to produce the observed voltage, you might want to actually read the link you provided, which states that it is "due to a variety of effects associated with the plasma environment of the comet and with solar UV photons hitting the spacecraft." It's really odd, but I don't see "heat-induced ... sublimation" there.
 
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