Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

jonesdave116 said:
Now, I'm not Einstein here chaps; however, can we sum this thread up as; some eejit has said there is a correlation between solar activity and earthquakes?
He has not provided a mechanism for this correlation?Ergo, all future discussion is pointless, due to said eejit who proposed the idea having no mechanism to explain it. At that point it becomes a circular argument.
At this point it is not only not a "theory", it is not even an hypothesis. It is worse than voodoo.
So until said eejit provides a mechanism, this is a dead thread; it has ceased to be, it's gone to meet its maker.
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He hasn't even provided evidence that there is a correlation. For example 1976 was geomagnetically quiescent but tectonically active, while 1882 saw the most intense solar activity ever seen (since 1755 when modern solar cycles and sunspot numbers began to be recorded) but tectonically very quiet.
Haig hasn't shown there is a correlation, let alone any putative causative mechanism.

I feel it is therefore right and proper to reject his hypothesis.
 
Good to see Haig demonstrating the depth of nuttery one has to plumb to maintain the climate denier pathology. He's doing us all a service really.
 
jonesdave116 said:
Now, I'm not Einstein here chaps; however, can we sum this thread up as; some eejit has said there is a correlation between solar activity and earthquakes?
He has not provided a mechanism for this correlation?
Ergo, all future discussion is pointless, due to said eejit who proposed the idea having no mechanism to explain it. At that point it becomes a circular argument.
At this point it is not only not a "theory", it is not even an hypothesis. It is worse than voodoo.
So until said eejit provides a mechanism, this is a dead thread; it has ceased to be, it's gone to meet its maker.
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Because protons.
 
jonesdave116 said:
Now, I'm not Einstein here chaps; however, can we sum this thread up as; some eejit has said there is a correlation between solar activity and earthquakes?
He has not provided a mechanism for this correlation?
Ergo, all future discussion is pointless, due to said eejit who proposed the idea having no mechanism to explain it. At that point it becomes a circular argument.
At this point it is not only not a "theory", it is not even an hypothesis. It is worse than voodoo.
So until said eejit provides a mechanism, this is a dead thread; it has ceased to be, it's gone to meet its maker.
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Hilarious :D
 
catsmate said:
He hasn't even provided evidence that there is a correlation. For example 1976 was geomagnetically quiescent but tectonically active, while 1882 saw the most intense solar activity ever seen (since 1755 when modern solar cycles and sunspot numbers began to be recorded) but tectonically very quiet.
Haig hasn't shown there is a correlation, let alone any putative causative mechanism.

I feel it is therefore right and proper to reject his hypothesis.
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bit_pattern said:
Good to see Haig demonstrating the depth of nuttery one has to plumb to maintain the climate denier pathology. He's doing us all a service really.
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Not so fast :p

Dr. Christopher Holloman’s and his team of researchers at The Ohio State University and also Dr. Kongpop U-yen have been studying the Sun - Earth connnection.

Does the Sun Trigger Large Earthquakes ?
Dr. Christopher Holloman’s team of researchers at The Ohio State University Statistical Consulting Service was able to construct a model that exhibited very strong agreement between solar magnetism patterns and the occurrence of large earthquakes. Formal testing of the model can only be performed by examining its performance over the next few years, but the agreement was sufficient to suggest that a relationship likely exists between solar polar fields, or magnetic fields associated with the north and south poles of the sun, and large earthquakes.
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Dr. Kongpop U-yen states that this analysis “suggests that their [M8+ earthquakes] major trigger mechanisms are external to the Earth. This may be linked to the electrical connections between the Earth and the Sun. Many seismologists have detected the fluctuation in electric fields in the Earth’s crust associated with earthquakes. Such an idea can be extended beyond the Earth’s crust toward the ionosphere and Van Allen radiation belts as they all move along together. NASA scientists also hypothesize that there are giant electric fields that power the Van Allen radiation belts, and have suggested that the Sun is the major contributor.” The connection is no longer limited to the surrounding space or Earth’s atmosphere, but to the penetration toward the Earth’s core as well. “After looking at the complete data set, it is not difficult for anyone to see that there is a connection. To be sure we did not fool ourselves, we back up this finding using verifiable statistical analysis.”
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jonesdave116 said:
Now, I'm not Einstein here chaps; however, can we sum this thread up as; some eejit has said there is a correlation between solar activity and earthquakes?
He has not provided a mechanism for this correlation?
Ergo, all future discussion is pointless, due to said eejit who proposed the idea having no mechanism to explain it. At that point it becomes a circular argument.
At this point it is not only not a "theory", it is not even an hypothesis. It is worse than voodoo.
So until said eejit provides a mechanism, this is a dead thread; it has ceased to be, it's gone to meet its maker.
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Not only does it need to propose a mechanism for the sun to be the cause of the worlds ills, it also has to explain why natural causes of earthquakes (i.e. plate tectonics) aren't swamping this 'signal', and also why CO2 isn't overwhelming causing climate change despite the mechanism being rather well understood.
 
Haig said:
Not so fast :p

Dr. Christopher Holloman’s and his team of researchers at The Ohio State University and also Dr. Kongpop U-yen have been studying the Sun - Earth connnection.

Does the Sun Trigger Large Earthquakes ?
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Any actual primary sources for these claims ?

Seems like the doctor isn't an astrophysicist or geologist

Dr. Holloman's applied professional experience is primarily in the areas of environmental modeling and marketing research.
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Even if he found some kind of correlation, there's no indication of causation. Indeed there's no indication whether Dr Holloman was carrying out research on his own behalf or merely responding to a client's request for a model.


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Also regarding KAHB LLC, the august organisation behind all this research. According to it:

KAHB LLC is an independent research organization dedicated to studying space-weather, the earth-sun connection, climate change, and more. The organization is based in Columbus, Ohio, but members span the world over, and the organization leans on the contributions of more than 180,000 members who share insights, research, literature reviews, and hypotheses for the betterment of the group. The organization was founded in 2013 by Ben and Katherine Davidson.
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This clearly implies that it has more than 180,000 members but its really one (loopy ?) guy's project

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/about-faq/
 
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Haig said:
Not so fast :p

Dr. Christopher Holloman’s and his team of researchers at The Ohio State University and also Dr. Kongpop U-yen have been studying the Sun - Earth connnection.

Does the Sun Trigger Large Earthquakes ?
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Dr. Holloman is a statistician, not a physicist, he is probably good in finding correlations (which are not necessarily causations). He has no published papers on the topic of earthquakes, only one co-authored paper on "Qualitative and quantitative evaluation of MODIS satellite sensor data for regional and urban scale air quality". There are no papers in ADS which link Dr. Holloman to papers on earthquakes.

Dr. Kongpop U-yen is supposedly an "independent space weather researcher" and is (unsurprisingly) an electric engineer. The agency at which he works apparently does not want to be linked to this stuff "who works in an agency involved in space program related research ... Disclaimer: Dr. U-yen’s agency has no role in this project, has made no comment, and has given no endorsement to this project or the purported results" (wow!) And he has not published anything related to earthquakes.

Actually, the only source of this information seems to be the press release bz KAHB LLC, which seems to be founded by Ben Davidson: "KAHB is a combination of the first letters of the first names of my family." and Davidson is the founder of SuspiciousObservers and has no physics education, but in law, and seems to be into the woo-niverse.

So, basically, the press release is a big bang of spam.
 
Nothing wrong with being a statistician as such. Tamino does excellent work on climate on the Open Mind blog. He has also co-authored a number of papers. But as pointed out, this latest link is being pushed when there is little or no supporting evidence.
 
tusenfem said:
Dr. Holloman is a statistician, not a physicist, he is probably good in finding correlations (which are not necessarily causations). He has no published papers on the topic of earthquakes, only one co-authored paper on "Qualitative and quantitative evaluation of MODIS satellite sensor data for regional and urban scale air quality". There are no papers in ADS which link Dr. Holloman to papers on earthquakes.

Dr. Kongpop U-yen is supposedly an "independent space weather researcher" and is (unsurprisingly) an electric engineer. The agency at which he works apparently does not want to be linked to this stuff "who works in an agency involved in space program related research ... Disclaimer: Dr. U-yen’s agency has no role in this project, has made no comment, and has given no endorsement to this project or the purported results" (wow!) And he has not published anything related to earthquakes.

Actually, the only source of this information seems to be the press release bz KAHB LLC, which seems to be founded by Ben Davidson: "KAHB is a combination of the first letters of the first names of my family." and Davidson is the founder of SuspiciousObservers and has no physics education, but in law, and seems to be into the woo-niverse.

So, basically, the press release is a big bang of spam.
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It's NOT just Dr. Holloman and Dr. Kongpop U-yen as the only scientists looking into the Sun - Earth connection.

Another scientist, Piers Corbyn has also studied and used the Sun - Earth connection successfully for more than twenty years. I think someone has already mention him on this thread.

Although he has run trial forecasts predicting earthquakes / volcanoes his main interest remains long range weather forecasting and climate change.

This is him a year ago explaining a little on how it works ..

Piers Corbyn: The Reality of Long Range Weather and Climate Forecasting | EU2014
Published on 29 Apr 2014
In his talk, Piers Corbyn described the failure of standard meteorology (SM) in outlook, theory, and practice. He included: signals in real meteorology data unexplained by SM; real role of jet stream, stratosphere, electro-jets, magnetosphere, solar wind, solar corona, and the Moon; the total inability of SM to explain: sudden stratospheric warmings and its consequences, tropical storm intensifications, angular momentum concentration in tornadoes; and the need for something else such as electromagnetic plasma explanations; the theoretical basis of non-standard long range weather forecasting on a real planet; a summary on his WeatherAction forecasting skill and examples; and the future of forecasting and meteorology, climate 'science' and science in general.
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You guys should should consider this also :)
 
Haig said:
Another scientist, Piers Corbyn has also studied and used the Sun - Earth connection successfully for more than twenty years.
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Which is a lie, Haig.
Piers Corbyn who has no credentials or publications in climate science has never studied any "Sun - Earth" connection. He runs a business selling basically fake long range weather forecasts based on the fantasy that the Sun causes specific weather.

That was him a year ago explaining how crackpot his concept of science is with the stupidity of argument by false dichotomy. Any irrelevant failures in standard meteorology does not make a scam business scientifically correct.

We guys know that an obsession with ignorant and even deluded crank ideas is becoming the main subject of this thread
 
hgus said:
Is there a measurable difference in power input from the sun on different part of the globe? (I am referring to in space not on the surface.)
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Other than the obvious (day and night) not really, hgus.
There would be tiny random fluctuations across the globe due to the random fluctuations across the Sun's surface.
The occasional coronal mass ejection might partially hit the Earth but the energy contained is relatively minor. They look impressive though - thus contributing to the Suspicious0bservers fantasies.
 
Haig said:
Not Dr. Christopher Holloman’s and his team of researchers at The Ohio State University and also Dr. Kongpop U-yen have been studying the Sun - Earth connnection.
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Quite irrelevant, Haig - there are hundreds of thousands of scientists studying the actual effects of the Sun on the Earth. That does not support your or the Suspicious0bservers fantasies.

Citing a Suspicious0bservers press release containing their delusions about science does not make their delusions valid.

Haig, do not lie about Dr. Christopher Holloman’s and his team of researchers at the Ohio State University Statistical Consulting Service. They are not "studying the Sun - Earth connection". They are studying statistics about the Sun and Earth as the full name of their workplace and the Suspicious0bservers press release makes clear.

The existing published research into the connection between earthquakes and solar activity that shows there is none.

Read and understand what you cite for once, Haig::
Dr. Kongpop U-yen holds a Ph.D. degree in Electrical Engineering and is an independent Space-Weather researcher who works in an agency involved in space program related research. Dr. U-yen has expertise in microwave, superconductivity, planetary science, and more. He is also an enthusiast of the new electric universe theories, and has been involved in the exploration of Space-Weather-Induced natural disasters.
Disclaimer: Dr. U-yen’s agency has no role in this project, has made no comment, and has given no endorsement to this project or the purported results
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Dr. Kongpop U-yen is an electrical engineer who is gullible enough to fall for the electric universe delusion :jaw-dropp.
 
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