Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

Reality Check · May 14, 2015

Haig: Ignorant interpretations of observations does not meant the Sun cused them

Haig said:
My post has a lot to do with how the Sun (our variable star) can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms ... etc here on Earth.

That is a lie, Haig. Nothing in your post shows the Sun can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes or major storms here on Earth.

That post hints that you have the delusion that Venus, Mars , Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus are the Earth

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That post displays rather total ignorance
* Aurora are not earthquakes, volcanoes or major storms!
* Winds are not earthquakes, volcanoes or major storms!

As for the totally ignorant interpretations that you have for those observations, Haig:

The fast winds of Venus are getting faster and no one knows why. The quiet Sun that you are obsessing about would mean less heating of Venus and slower winds !
Could Venus be shifting gear? (due to weather, not a delusion of the Sun doing it).
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says is a climate change myth. The "scientist" involved is your pet hero Habibullo Abdussamatov who seems as ignorant of climate science as you, Haig.
Global warming on Mars, ice caps melting

Martian climate is primarily driven by dust and albedo and there is little empirical evidence that Mars is showing long term warming.

Click to expand...
Big Mystery: Jupiter Loses a Stripe - no "the Sun did it" there!
Jupiter's New Red Spot - no "the Sun did it" there! It is just another known storm on Jupiter.
Now Broadcasting From Radio Jupiter - no "the Sun did it" there! The probable source is the IO plasma torus.
Super Storm on Saturn - no "the Sun did it" there!
Auroras Seen on Uranus For First Time - at last something related to the Sun - or at least the solar wind !
Record-breaking Storm Activity on Uranus in 2014 is about the surprise that the number of storms has increases despite Uranus getting further away from the Sun since 2007. This seems to be your ignorance that the Sun powers weather, Haig ! In this case we have the seasonal variation of weather on Uranus. We have good data for less than one full Uranian year (84 years). That is weather, not climate.

13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.

Haig · May 14, 2015

jimbob said:
I'm not entirely sure that "obvious" is the best word to use in this phrase.

Back to reality, Global climate can seem to influence vulcanism due to pressure from the ice sheet being relaxed

ETA: Link:

http://www.des.ucdavis.edu/faculty/ORLOVE/GlacierObits/volcanic.html

Have it your way

The evidence mounts and it's getting noticed

Sun Erupts CMEs | S0 News May 14, 2015

Reality Check · May 14, 2015

Haig said:
The evidence mounts and it's getting noticed

Which is a couple of lies, Haig:
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.

And what looks like a new delusion that scientists notice deluded crank YouTube videos :jaw-dropp

!
But maybe you are talking about your spamming of this thread with the crank videos.

Reality Check · May 14, 2015

Haig said:
The latest earthquake and volcanic activity triggered by Solar activity

Another Suspicious0bservers lie, Haig:
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.

Reality Check · May 14, 2015

Haig said:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_3823654ba3eafdafb1.jpg[/qimg]

Oh dear, Haig, a non-sourced image yet again

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Other similar non-sourced images turned out to be ignorance and lies - is this more ignorance and lies?

Reality Check · May 14, 2015

Haig: Ignorance about the effects of a new Maunder Minimum for almost 3 years

Haig said:
It shows the matching solar cycles of the quiet sun in Maunder Minimum times with the solar cycles of the quiet sun in our times.

Shooting yourself in the foot with your citations , Haig:
Solar activity heads for lowest low in four centuries

The sun's activity is in free fall, according to a leading space physicist. But don't expect a little ice age. "Solar activity is declining very fast at the moment," Mike Lockwood, professor of space environmental physics at Reading University, UK, told New Scientist. "We estimate faster than at any time in the last 9300 years."

Then you go onto your usual ignorance of that last couple of years: It is not the Sun that is causing global warming. A new Maunder Minimum will not stop global warming. A new Maunder Minimum will not cause an ice age.

ETA: That is a lie about the image, Haig. It does not appear in your citation.

ETA: Make that almost 3 years of the delusion about a new Maunder Minimum:
4th July 2012 Haig: Climate scientists ask what will happen to climate if a Maunder Minimum happens again and come up with the conclusion that it will have a slow down global warming by a small amount!

jonesdave116 · May 15, 2015

Haig, sorry, you seriously are an idiot (and I may get a warning for that), BUT, WHAT IS THE MECHANISM? How thick do you need to be to believe in something based on youtube videos? SHOW US THE MECHANISM, or go away.
As I predicted, this thread is just turning into a Gish Gallop. Totally pointless.

bit_pattern · May 15, 2015

Rincewind said:
OMG!!!

Grain prices causes earthquakes!

Wonderful

Haig · May 15, 2015

jonesdave116 said:
Haig, sorry, you seriously are an idiot (and I may get a warning for that), BUT, WHAT IS THE MECHANISM? How thick do you need to be to believe in something based on youtube videos? SHOW US THE MECHANISM, or go away.
As I predicted, this thread is just turning into a Gish Gallop. Totally pointless.

Oh dear, resorting to ad homs

I have suggested one such mechanism (and there are others) HERE

For proof of power, you need only see how a coronal hole stream can do a 'CME impression' and cause Geomagnetic Storms. They also fire Alfvén Waves from their centres and according to NASA: do a better job transferring energy to the planets.
Do you get this ?

New Insights On How Solar Minimums Affect Earth

The magnetic fields from the center of coronal holes in the sun's atmosphere have large fluctuations known as Alfvén waves, while those from the sides have smaller fluctuations. The side fields do not transfer energy as well from the sun to Earth's magnetosphere

All due to our Variable Sun

Rincewind · May 15, 2015

bit_pattern said:
Wonderful

Thank you - you're too kind!

tusenfem · May 15, 2015

Haig said:
It's becoming more obvious the weaker our Sun becomes our variable star can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms as well as climate change

So the weaker the sun becomes, the more powerful the earthquakes become ???

tusenfem · May 15, 2015

Haig said:
New Insights On How Solar Minimums Affect Earth

All due to our Variable Sun
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_382364b8e6e69af1d0.jpg[/qimg]

I hope you read the whole piece, and not just went looking for your cherries, but I am sure you did not, as it is clear that this press release is talking about the magnetospheric response to changes in the solar wind magnetic field. A process that has been known for decades (actually starting with Birkeland trying to explain the aurora).

For those interested the paper by Tsurutani et al. can be freely downloaded from Annales Geophysicae: "The solar and interplanetary causes of the recent minimum in geomagnetic activity (MGA23): a combination of midlatitude small coronal holes, low IMF Bz variances, low solar wind speeds and low solar magnetic fields".

This is about why the geomagnetic activity of the Earth seems to lag the sunspot cycle in MGA23, there is nothing in there about earthquakes, and I would be surprised if Bruce would talk about that, nor about climate change. Only magnetic field activity.

Interestingly, I am sitting in the office now together with Tsurutani writing a Rosetta paper. But I think I am not going to bother him with this kind of nonsense.

The Don · May 15, 2015

Haig said:
It shows the matching solar cycles of the quiet sun in Maunder Minimum times with the solar cycles of the quiet sun in our times.

In times of a quiet sun coronal holes are known to leave the polar regions of the Sun and migrate to the mid latitudes, as they are doing now!

Thank you for explaining, so that graph only relates to sunspot activity and has nothing to do with the correlation between sunspots and earthquakes (or lack thereof) and absolutely nothing to do with any kind of causal link.

Haig said:
Why is that linked to earthquakes ? Well because the Sun is a sphere magnet, and the Earth is a sphere magnet orbiting it with a now recognized electromagnetic connection to. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility to consider that essentially a coronal hole is like pointing an extra strong magnet out of one part of that central star at our planet for a little bit and then taking it away … the suggestion being it can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms

Imagining things <> demonstrating or proving things

Haig · May 15, 2015

tusenfem said:
So the weaker the sun becomes, the more powerful the earthquakes become ???

That hasn't been said

What has been said is "In times of a quiet sun coronal holes are known to leave the polar regions of the Sun and migrate to the mid latitudes, as they are doing now!" When they are Earth facing strong earthquakes seem to be triggered

These coronal holes, in times of the active sun, are confined to the polar regions of the Sun and so we don't get to experience their powerful effect on Earth.

The "active sun" has other ways of triggering strong earthquakes like massive Earth facing flares, CME's, magnetic effects, etc

The Don said:
Thank you for explaining, so that graph only relates to sunspot activity and has nothing to do with the correlation between sunspots and earthquakes (or lack thereof) and absolutely nothing to do with any kind of causal link.

Imagining things <> demonstrating or proving things

It's just an illustration of our Variable Star. The suggestion being it can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms

NASA said:
"The sun," explains Lika Guhathakurta of NASA headquarters in Washington DC, "is a variable star."

But it looks so constant...

That's only a limitation of the human eye. Modern telescopes and spacecraft have penetrated the sun's blinding glare and found a maelstrom of unpredictable turmoil. Solar flares explode with the power of a billion atomic bombs. Clouds of magnetized gas (CMEs) big enough to swallow planets break away from the stellar surface. Holes in the sun's atmosphere spew million mile-per-hour gusts of solar wind.

And those are the things that can happen in just one day.

tusenfem · May 15, 2015

Haig said:
The "active sun" has other ways of triggering strong earthquakes like massive Earth facing flares, CME's, magnetic effects, etc

Riiiiiight, and still no model I presume?

Mikemcc · May 15, 2015

Surprised that the arctic and antarctic aren't ringing like a bell from all of the particle and magnetic changes there...

The Don · May 15, 2015

Haig said:
It's just an illustration of our Variable Star.

Is anyone in this thread claiming the sun doesn't have variation in activity ?

Haig said:
The suggestion being it can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms

A non-sequitor if ever I have heard one.

I mean we have variability in the number of birds on our bird feeders but there's no suggestion that earthquakes or volcanic activity is triggered by more/fewer birds on our bird feeders.

AFAIK you haven't even demonstrated a correlation, much less a causative relationship.

Haig · May 15, 2015

tusenfem said:
Riiiiiight, and still no model I presume?

The hypothesis, as I understand it, is that solar-terrestrial interaction, as measured by Earth facing, coronal holes sunspots drive solar wind velocity, and geomagnetic activity, plays a role in triggering earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms etc

There has been other studies that found "Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes" but in that study they looked at ALL solar activity instead of focusing on the Earth facing stuff.

Jrrarglblarg · May 15, 2015

And in the video upthread supporting your assertion that the aftershock was "triggered" the supposedly related solar activity was to the side, not facing Earth.

Haig · May 15, 2015

Jrrarglblarg said:
And in the video upthread supporting your assertion that the aftershock was "triggered" the supposedly related solar activity was to the side, not facing Earth.

I think this is the video your referring to. The filament detaching on the Suns limb sends an CME into space. The clip from 0.34 to 2.10 explains it well.

This latest video should also help you understand, pay particular attention at 1.40 when he discuses an Earth facing coronal hole with low power.

CME En Route, Magnetic Reversal | S0 News May 15, 2015

Another useful way to understand is the Sun Series

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