Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

Haig said:
I think this is the video your referring to. The filament detaching on the Suns limb sends an CME into space. The clip from 0.34 to 2.10 explains it well.
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OMG the Sun is the FSM and it’s reaching out with its Noodly Appendage to cause earthquakes! Finally proof Intelligent Design was right all along!
 
Haig said:
My post has a lot to do with how the Sun (our variable star) can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms ... etc here on Earth.

Quiet Sun Means Cooling of Earth's Upper Atmosphere


Given that the Sun is in an unusual period, according to NASA, the relevance of my post on the changes (some sudden others gradual) to our planets seismic, volcanic, meteorological and climate state should become obvious :)

As the Sun continues in its slide into a Grand Solar Minimum we can expect the Earth and ALL the other planets and bodies to change along with it, as they are ;)

See the point now !


The latest earthquake and volcanic activity triggered by Solar activity. It appears to be coronal holes (this time) causing a sudden ramp in the solar wind.

Big Japan Quake, Magnetic Storm | S0 News May 13, 2015

Etna eruzione 12 maggio 2015. Mount Etna Volcano Eruption


So to re-state the obvious it's NOT just Earth experiencing changes it's ALL the solar system and it appears to be the Sun causing it.

Care to deal with that ?:cool:

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So the answer is supposed to be somewhere in that link spam? I am supposed to spend hours, to lock for something that would take you three sentences or so to describe, and that I am sure is not there anyway? And RC has convincingly shown that it does not. I do not know if you are serious or not, but your debating style surely is not.
 
hgus said:
So the answer is supposed to be somewhere in that link spam? I am supposed to spend hours, to lock for something that would take you three sentences or so to describe, and that I am sure is not there anyway? And RC has convincingly shown that it does not. I do not know if you are serious or not, but your debating style surely is not.
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You can spend as little or as much time as you like ;)

Here it is in only a few mins :D


EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update]

DOES THE SUN TRIGGER LARGE EARTHQUAKES?

The Coming Solar Cycle(s)
Published on 15 Aug 2014
Our Website: http://www.suspicious0bservers.org
Chilly Temps in Maunder Minimum: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7122
The Recent Solar Maximum: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.4720v1.pdf
Chilly 17th Century: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_06/
Choudhuri 2013: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.3408.pdf
Sunspot Number: http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml
Sun Weakening Quickly: http://www.newscientist.com/article...owest-low-in-four-centuries.html#.VVZ9BvlVhBd





Or if you have more time there are 350 videos HERE to play catch up :p...
 
hgus said:
Maybe it is tickling earth?
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Ah! that must be Venus



Science : Planet's tail of the unexpected
ONE of our neighbouring planets can still pack a few surprises, it seems. Using satellite data, an international team of researchers has found that Venus sports a giant, ion-packed tail that stretches almost far enough to tickle the Earth when the two planets are in line with the Sun.

"I didn't expect to find it," says team member Marcia Neugebauer of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "It's a really strong signal, and there's no doubt it's real."

NASA's Pioneer Venus Orbiter first found the tail in the late 1970s. Around 70 000 kilometres from the planet, the spacecraft detected bursts of hot, energetic ions, or plasma. The tail exists because ions in Venus's upper atmosphere are bombarded by the solar wind, a stream of plasma that blows out from the Sun.
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Mmm could that be why planetary alignments are significant when considering the Sun and Earth directed events triggering increased earthquakes / volcanic action ? :eek:

One of our neighboring planets can still pack a few surprises, it seems. Using satellite data, an international team of researchers has found that Venus sports a giant, ion-packed tail that stretches almost far enough to tickle the Earth when the two planets are in line with the Sun. ‘I didn’t expect to find it,’ says team member Marcia Neugebauer of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. ‘It’s a really strong signal, and there’s no doubt it’s real.’
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^^
Or could it be that you are just genuinely stupid? And don't actually understand planetary science? There you go, boys and girls, .....an eejit in action.
 
jonesdave116 said:
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Or could it be that you are just genuinely stupid? And don't actually understand planetary science? There you go, boys and girls, .....an eejit in action.
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You asked a question about the topic and I gave you a polite answer HERE and this is ALL you can come back with ? :D

Oh dear! so sad ;)

Back on topic :cool:

"The peak of volcanic activity also coincided with the activation of other processes in Earth's crust that resulted in the succession of powerful earthquakes. Although they happened in places with the increased seismic activity, this is not very comforting. Since volcanoes and earthquakes are usually associated with one another, it becomes clear that something is happening to the planet."

Sun wakes volcanoes up, Jupiter makes them sleep
Anton Yevseev Pravda.Ru said:
All this suggests that volcanoes are often highly sensitive to any external disturbances which arise as a result of solar activity, as well as the activity of other stars and even planets. Statistics, taking into account the terms of the beginning of eruptions in the period from 1960 to 2009 suggests that, apparently, the very rotation of the sun around its axis (and, judging by the observations of sunspots, this period is approximately 27 days) generates a short-period fluctuations in volcanic activity. It is interesting that most of this activity occurs in one or two days before the passage of the central meridian of the Sun.

However, volcanic activity can be extinguished in the interaction of the planet with the gas giants Saturn and Jupiter. It was observed that these planets at the time of passage of perihelion (the closest to the center of the solar point of the orbit of a celestial body), they flew past the Earth, slowing the movement of magma in its depths. This, in turn, leads to a decrease in the number of eruptions. For example, it was found that Saturn, being at perihelion, reduces their number from 25-26 to 22 per year. Jupiter slows volcanic activity more effectively (which is not surprising, as it is closer to Earth).

The Sun activates volcanoes, and giant planets inhibit their activity. Interestingly, the Greeks, apparently, were mistaken - the real Zeus (i.e., Jupiter) is not really rushing Hephaestus, but ordering him to slow down.

For the volcanic and other natural processes, the dynamics of the barycenter (i.e., center of the mass) of the solar system is very important. It is known to be normally located approximately a million miles from the center of the Sun, but due to the reversal of the giant planets it has to move constantly from its normal position to its outer layers, and then come back. Calculations showed that such rhythms of the barycenter are cyclical and each cycle lasts for 179 years.
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Read the original in Russian
 
I pretty much read all of Haig's posts in that disjointed, monotonic voice-over from his Youtbe vids now - I imagine an open-mouthed narrator with a stare fixed somewhere in the middle distance reading from a script in his head that nobody else can hear.
 
bit_pattern said:
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Outstanding :D the "have a nice day" at the end after the shouted dire warnings was classic :)

Isn't this the same as what the CAGW Alarmists have been doing for decades for the shouted Global Warming cause too ? :D
 
lomiller said:
OMG the Sun is the FSM and it’s reaching out with its Noodly Appendage to cause earthquakes! Finally proof Intelligent Design was right all along!
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Are the facts presented in this video correct or not ?

5 Truths About Earth's Magnetic Reversal

The shifting poles is one thing but the weakening of Earths magnetic field is confirmed. It's down 15% in the last 150 years and that is a concern.

That means less protection from the effects of the Sun (our variable star) so that it can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms etc more easily ... etc here on Earth
 
Haig said:
The hypothesis, as I understand it, is that solar-terrestrial interaction, as measured by Earth facing, coronal holes sunspots drive solar wind velocity, and geomagnetic activity, plays a role in triggering earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms etc

There has been other studies that found "Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes" but in that study they looked at ALL solar activity instead of focusing on the Earth facing stuff.
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No sorry, in mainstream geo/space physics there is no such hypothesis, that only exists on the crank boobtube vids that you are looking at.

Yes there is a solar-terrestrial interaction, driven by the sun and the solar wind, and it determines the geomagnetic activity, with the most prominent effect the aurorae.

And actually we can only talk about your "earth facing stuff" because until lately (before the launch of Stereo in 2006 and then waiting about 4 years before we got a good look "around the corner") we could only see the "earth facing stuff". But this is another typical haig thing, inventing another new term.

But you can put out a hypothesis, but still if you don't have a mechanism in which a "sunspot coronal hole" actuall creates an earthquake, then your hypothesis is bogus, just like the correlatons you are showing.

And by the way, Bruce Tsurutani was very amused actually when I told him someone thought that solar activity was creating earthquakes.
 
tusenfem said:
But only when the moon is in the seventh house.
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Interesting point !

The Moon is an important factor in the Sun - Earth connection.

After all - the The Earth and Moon are locked together in their orbit around our variable star. In fact they are sometimes informally referred to as a double planet

In Weather Actions long range weather and climate forecasts the Moon is vital in the calculations. Currently Piers Corbyn is using SLAT12 Solar-Lunar-Action-Technique with excellent results.

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Another hint of how important it is to understand the Sun - Earth connection.

Thanks for the reminder tusenfem :D
 
tusenfem said:
And actually we can only talk about your "earth facing stuff" because until lately (before the launch of Stereo in 2006 and then waiting about 4 years before we got a good look "around the corner") we could only see the "earth facing stuff". But this is another typical haig thing, inventing another new term.
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Not true, not every solar event launched from the Solar Disc into space is liable to contact Earth's Magnetosphere.

tusenfem said:
But you can put out a hypothesis, but still if you don't have a mechanism in which a "sunspot coronal hole" actuall creates an earthquake, then your hypothesis is bogus, just like the correlatons you are showing.
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Well, the hypothesis is actually triggering not creates, an important distinction that recognises the stress is already present in the Earth's crust.

Here is one of the ways
NASA said:
"Usually, at solar minimum, the coronal holes are at the sun's poles," says Giuliana de Toma, a solar scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research whose research on this topic helped provide insight for this paper. "Therefore, Earth receives wind from only the edges of these holes and it's not very fast. But in 2007 and 2008, the coronal holes were not confined to the poles as normal."

Those coronal holes lingered at low-latitudes to the end of 2008. Consequently, the center of the holes stayed firmly pointed towards wind at Earth begin to slow down. And, of course, the geomagnetic effects and sightings of the aurora along with it.
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There are other trigger mechanisms ;)

tusenfem said:
And by the way, Bruce Tsurutani was very amused actually when I told him someone thought that solar activity was creating earthquakes.
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You and Bruce Tsurutani actually think that solar activity creating triggering earthquakes is so laughable and yet you both are unaware that studies have already taken place.

Here's one paper from 2013

Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes PDF
pdf said:
We examine the claim that solar-terrestrial interaction, as measured by sunspots, solar wind velocity, and geomagnetic activity, might play a role in triggering earthquakes. We count the number of earthquakes having magnitudes that exceed chosen thresholds in calendar years, months, and days, and we order these counts by the corresponding rank of annual, monthly, and daily averages of the solar-terrestrial variables. We measure the statistical significance of the difference between the earthquake-number distributions below and above the median of the solar-terrestrial averages
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As the title suggests, they couldn't confirm any statistical significant relationship between solar-terrestrial variables and earthquake occurrence.

It was a historical statistical analysis but NOT recognising that all solar activity on the solar disc is NOT "Earth facing" A lot misses Earth by being too North or South also Forward or Behind yet it was all regarded as the same risk. The current view doesn't make that error.

However, they finish be saying this ...
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In contrast to the work reported here, some advocates of hypotheses in which solar-terrestrial interaction does actually trigger earthquakes have reported the identification of different types of correlations of possible relevance. Before such claims can be regarded as valid, advocates need to demonstrate the statistical significance of their correlations in objectively chosen historical data sets. To guard against inspection and selection biases, advocates of solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes also need to demonstrate the persistence and statistical significance of their claimed correlations against future data.
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That what's happening here and now :p

EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update]

DOES THE SUN TRIGGER LARGE EARTHQUAKES?
 
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Haig said:
Not true, not every solar event launched from the Solar Disc into space is liable to contact Earth's Magnetosphere.
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true, but it all happens at the side of the sun facing the Earth ...
if you want to say something, then say what you mean, what you meant was events that would impact the earth and NOT earth facing stuff
but then, you don't care being specific in your wording now do you?

Haig said:
Well, the hypothesis is actually triggering not creates, an important distinction that recognises the stress is already present in the Earth's crust.
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And actually HOW is it triggering the earthquake?
What is the mechanism?
I expect no answer.

Haig said:
Here is one of the ways
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Welll someone did not proof read their press release.
Consequently, the center of the holes stayed firmly pointed towards wind at Earth begin to slow down.
This is gramatically and physically not a correct sentence. Can you haig explain what is meant with this sentence?

Haig said:
There are other trigger mechanisms
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Then please clear us up with actually published papers on these triggers, or do you mean non-solar related mechanisms?

Haig said:
You and Bruce Tsurutani actually think that solar activity creating triggering earthquakes is so laughable and yet you both are unaware that studies have already taken place.
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oh yes, completely
there is one (1) peer reviewed paper, talking about this, which came to a negative conclusion. The authors are investigating precursors of earthquakes, something that is being done at my institute too with the DEMETER mission.
The Love & Thomas 2013 paper has been cited once (by themselves) and no refutation of their results has been published so far.
To argue your case, there is one chinese paper by Han et al. which relate the triggering of some very specific earthquakes to heating of the rock by eddy currents. But then the question is WHY do I have to make your case? Why can't you find appropriate peer reviewed papers? Lazyness I guess, it is much easier to watch boobtube than to actually try to find out something.

Haig said:
Here's one paper from 2013

Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes PDF

As the title suggests, they couldn't confirm any statistical significant relationship between solar-terrestrial variables and earthquake occurrence.

It was a historical statistical analysis but NOT recognising that all solar activity on the solar disc is NOT "Earth facing" A lot misses Earth by being too North or South also Forward or Behind yet it was all regarded as the same risk. The current view doesn't make that error.
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Yes stuff misses the earth, and who cares.
You don't have a model, haig, only if you answer finally, how exactly a CME is supposed to trigger an earthquake, then we can discuss something for real. But how much energy is in a CME. how much of it is actually transferred to the magnetosphere, and how much of that (most of which is transformed from magnetic energy to particle energy of the plasma in the magnetosphere, i.e. heating) could be used to trigger an earthquake?
I am glad that now we are at "triggering" and earthquake and not creating an earthquake.

Haig said:
However, they finish be saying this ...

That what's happening here and
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No, that is NOT being done, at least now at what you have presented that can be read (I don't do boobtube). Just doing correlation, to repeat once more, does not show anything UNLESS you have an underlying model. And Mr. SuspiciousObserver together with Holloman and U-yen have all no, zero, zilch knowledge about earthquakes, the former two not even about physics period. So why would we believe anything they are claiming within the wooniverse of Mr. Davidson?
 
And how is it supposed to trigger events in regions like Nepal and not have regions like the poles constantly rattling?
 
Haig said:
Sun wakes volcanoes up, Jupiter makes them sleep

Read the original in Russian
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By the way, I was intrigued by the following in this highly scientific message from pravda (are we now to assume that pravda.ru is a trustworthy scientific publication, I know pravda means trruth but still, I have seen my share of woo from that source):

Yevseev said:
For example, it was found that Saturn, being at perihelion, reduces their number from 25-26 to 22 per year. Jupiter slows volcanic activity more effectively (which is not surprising, as it is closer to Earth).
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Now of course we do not get a source for this information, only that a certain Dr. (?) Yevseev makes these claims.

So how did he get these numbers 25-26 and 22, and what is the statistical error on these numbers? And why does he not give any numbers for the Jovian effect, wit apparently is much more effective?

I can find nothing from Yevseev, it seems that he a writer for pravda.ru and as he does not give any sources from the other scientists that he seems to be quoting I am not going to search any further, that would be haig's duty in this thread (so we can be sure that is not going to happen).

Fortunately to save himself a bit Yevseev closes with:

Yevseev said:
However, in the absence of a clarification of the specific dependence of mantle and nuclear processes on external influences, it cannot be argued that they affect volcanic activity. After all, this may be a mere coincidence (as both in science and in life it is, unfortunately, often the case). Therefore, scientists should always check all the facts in isolation and not be limited to observation of their correlation as this correlation may only be a wishful thinking.
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Only to destroy his credibility by directly after closing his message with:

Yevseev said:
However, now one thing is clear - the god Hephaestus gets plenty of orders not only from Zeus, but from his other colleagues as well, and they are all urgent. It seems that he is doing his best to fulfill them.
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Haig said:
You can spend as little or as much time as you like ;)

Here it is in only a few mins :D


EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update]

DOES THE SUN TRIGGER LARGE EARTHQUAKES?

The Coming Solar Cycle(s)
Published on 15 Aug 2014
Our Website: http://www.suspicious0bservers.org
Chilly Temps in Maunder Minimum: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7122
The Recent Solar Maximum: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.4720v1.pdf
Chilly 17th Century: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_06/
Choudhuri 2013: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.3408.pdf
Sunspot Number: http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml
Sun Weakening Quickly: http://www.newscientist.com/article...owest-low-in-four-centuries.html#.VVZ9BvlVhBd





Or if you have more time there are 350 videos HERE to play catch up :p...
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Are we playing a game of "He who posts the most links wins"?
 
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